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Harvest

20-02-2009, 01:07 AM

How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her

© Harvest 2009. All rights Reserved.

Introduction

After patronizing the commercial sex world for well over a decade or so, I have experienced my fair share of seduction encounters from all kinds of WLs like most bros here. In my early years, I also fell easily into the KC trap, got burned but luckily managed to emerge stronger and wiser. However, a number of my ex-cheonging kakis weren't so fortunate. I've sadly witnessed the fall of some of the brightest and promising young men who never really recovered... one turned into an unscrupulous crook, another is seeking treatment for depression, while some others ended up divorced or crushed under a mountain of debt... all in the name of "love". The purpose of this sharing is to help and guide bros who are new/inexperienced in this KC game to know the rules and (hopefully) benefit from some methods/tips on how I engage them successfully after years of practice to seduce without being seduced. Now before I proceed, pls read below...

WARNING! This how-to guide is intended for emotionally-matured bros who wants to have a great time in a commercial sex setting without getting caught with an emotional baggage. Not suitable for mommy's boys, cry babies, or spoilt brads having school holidays! The game of seduction is an exciting but dangerous game. If you are man enough to play, don't come around here and cry father cry mother if you got burnt! There is absolutely no guarantee that what works for me will work for you. Past performance is not a guarantee for future performance! Proceed at your own risk!!

With the disclaimer in place, let's begin... :cool:

PRELUDE

Ok guys, you are horny (who isn't?). You read some delicious FRs in this forum and decided to check the chick out. On your way, you begin to fantasize the outcome of your sexual encounter. Face: 9/10? Wow. BBBJ: 10/10? Wow. GFE: 11/10? Wow! Wow! Your saliva starts dripping as the blood flows down to your member. You prayed hard your ratings will be roughly the same. The chick did not disappoint you alright. In fact she was all you could ask for and MORE... She was so passionate it never felt so good. She was so skillful you wondered why you are still with your current gf/wife (if you have one). She gave you the ultra CFM look to affirm that you are the most DESIRABLE man in the whole world. She hugged and kissed like you are all she's ever wanted in a man. Your ego is boosted right thru the roof. You find yourself floating on sexual cloud 9. As you leave, she said she hope to see you again and deep in your heart you have already booked for the next RTF even before you store her number in your phone.

When you left, you kept thinking of her and the wonderful experience. Then you received her SMS. She said she missed you. Next day she asked you when are you coming to see her again. You saved her SMSes and looked at them whenever you are free... in the toilet, during lunch break, even when you are driving and waiting for the traffic lights to turn green... You could hardly wait for your next payday to arrive so that you can RTF her again.

Sounds too familiar? Congrats! The WL has just planted a "seduction seed" in you waiting to germinate! :eek:

First things first... Guys, here are the 3 Rules of Engagement in commercial sex:

Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off

To put it simply - No emotions involved for this money-for-pussy transaction. When the whole deed is over, it is OVER. Next target!

Rule #2: If you RTF, remind yourself of Rule #1!

Granted. Since the bonk was so wonderful, you plan to RTF and perhaps keep this WL as one of your regular sex companions. You want to seduce her to try your luck in getting some "preferential treatments" from her. Fine. But in order to be an effective rules player, you have to SINK Rule #1 deep into your coconut head BEFORE you RTF. How to do that? I'll touch on that later.

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

Very, very important. If you find your sessions with the WL becoming non-bonking sessions and replaced by non-sexual activities (eg. just hug and chat) you MUST absolutely STOP the RTF and change target!! Or else you will be in danger of crossing the KC line of NO RETURN!!

To be continued...

justl00king

20-02-2009, 01:39 AM

Good advice. 7up from me.

Please continue...:D

rjrj

20-02-2009, 01:43 AM

interesting thread..can't wait for more ;)

HairyBottom

20-02-2009, 03:48 AM

Interesting read bro Harvest...reminds me of my own experience with a Malaysian WL...hope u dont mind me sharing..

It happened 3 years ago when i visited one Health Centre and was assigned this Malaysian girl A. As usual..it was another of my fuck and forget session to satisfy my horniness. However..this time girl A looks did match the kinda girl i have always fancy...tall...hourglass figure...demure...gentle and classy. Oh boy wat a lucky day..i was telling myself...so we started off with some ice breaking and eventually ended the session with a good rub and sex.

It was a very satisfying sexperience for me...as i was impressed not only by her service..her attitude..but most importantly she has the looks of the type of girl i have always desired. In short..she was my dream girl. So inevitably...i went back for her...and slowly we began to click and chatted like old friends whenever we see each other. we would tease one another..chatted about current affairs..listened to her complaints of bad customers etc...at the same time her service got better and better..probably owing it to my frequent RTF sessions which enabled her to understand my needs better and the kinda sex i desired. There wasnt a single dull moment in our every sessions..sometimes i would share with her some of my problems and she would listen attentively and gave me encouragement...as time passed by i no longer see her as a WL...my feelings for her grew after each RTF...no..i should say OUR feelings for each other grew. ( that was how i felt during that time ) I started asking for her number...and tried to date her out after work..but she would always politely declined..giving reasons like inconvenient and tired etc. Still i didnt give up...

Then came the day i dropped her an obvious hint that i liked her..and was willing to 'take care' of her...she was taken aback...and till today i still rem wat she answered me...' i am here to clear my debts..if a guy wants to be my boyfriend is he willing to be responsible for my debts as well? ' tears started forming in her eyes as she spoke...i kept quiet.

I couldnt sleep that night...kept thinking about her and her reply..was she telling me the truth? Or was it just another polite way of rejection? Am i prepared to shoulder her debts responsiblility if i go steady with her? No...i couldnt..as i was just a normal income earner...reality hit me hard...i decided to forget her and move on...and i stopped looking for her since then.

Now thinking back...i believed i had made the right move...as illustrated in your 3rd rule..if i failed...i shrudder to think how it might have lead to otherwise. ;)

Royster79

20-02-2009, 09:03 AM

Now thinking back...i believed i had made the right move...as illustrated in your 3rd rule..if i failed...i shrudder to think how it might have lead to otherwise. ;)

Bro, u have made the most correct move in ur life... If u have taken the other path, I wonder will u still be as happy as now??...:rolleyes:

walabis

20-02-2009, 10:22 AM

First things first... Guys, here are the [B][SIZE="4"]3 Rules of Engagement in commercial sex:

Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off

To put it simply - No emotions involved for this money-for-pussy transaction. When the whole deed is over, it is OVER. Next target!

Rule #2: If you RTF, remind yourself of Rule #1!

Granted. Since the bonk was so wonderful, you plan to RTF and perhaps keep this WL as one of your regular sex companions. You want to seduce her to try your luck in getting some "preferential treatments" from her. Fine. But in order to be an effective rules player, you have to SINK Rule #1 deep into your coconut head BEFORE you RTF. How to do that? I'll touch on that later.

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

Very, very important. If you find your sessions with the WL becoming non-bonking sessions and replaced by non-sexual activities (eg. just hug and chat) you MUST absolutely STOP the RTF and change target!! Or else you will be in danger of crossing the KC line of NO RETURN!!

To be continued...

Thumb up for the effort. shall camp here for more. :p

aczeta76

20-02-2009, 10:29 AM

Nice one... but I usually cannot control... maybe faulty chipset..

marlborotan

20-02-2009, 10:42 AM

How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her

Very, very important. If you find your sessions with the WL becoming non-bonking sessions and replaced by non-sexual activities (eg. just hug and chat) you MUST absolutely STOP the RTF and change target!! Or else you will be in danger of crossing the KC line of NO RETURN!!

To be continued...

Good advise bro. Up my humble sticks of hoon kee to you. Quick continue hor, I'm crossing liao:p

walabis

20-02-2009, 10:44 AM

Nice one... but I usually cannot control... maybe faulty chipset..

Yup...maybe easy to say then done. Perhaps undergo a few bad experience and encounters will make you more wisely on your next "target".

pewpew

20-02-2009, 10:56 AM

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

Stage 1 and 2 i passed liao, now at stage 3... :(

HairyBottom

20-02-2009, 11:06 AM

Bro, u have made the most correct move in ur life... If u have taken the other path, I wonder will u still be as happy as now??...:rolleyes:

confirm not as happy bro...haha...my intention was to jio her go steady that time...just like any other normal BGR...but certainly not prepared to help her clear her debts. Me not so noble..come to think of it..i was lucky then as she was a kind hearted girl to keep turning down my advance..helping me to see the line..if she was a malicious one she would have make use of my feelings to her advantage and given me hell. phew...:D

GreenHorny

20-02-2009, 11:09 AM

haha, nice post on how to avoid KC-ed
as what many bros advise down here, always let your big head rule your heart and small head.
Any advices on how to KC a WL?

mike1304k

20-02-2009, 11:15 AM

Nice one... but I usually cannot control... maybe faulty chipset..

Bro it is not faulty chipset... It is called Ego!! Basically the problem with most men is that their ego's come into play. A girl makes them feel good, ego's come in to play. Waaahhh feels so good.... better than my wife or GF. If the girl calls you "Lau Gong" you feel honoured.. "waaaahhh, such a sexy being called me husband"... and if she gives you sad sob stories of clearing debt, wanting to go straight, again ego comes in and you feel like you have to be the knight in shining armour.

Some people will be able to kill the ego. Some find it difficult. I met a VN while on a business trip many years ago. For 4 solid days, we met, she gave me such a great GFE feeling, and she really took care of me. But then she started her nonsense, lost money lah.... have to marry an American to work there lah and so on... I just said good luck to her. I could have given her 400-500 a month and she would have been pretty well off in VN. But I told myself that even though it felt great, what was the outcome I wanted? Sex? Wife? Friendship? I wanted nothing of the above, so I just cut it. She was crying so pitifully over the phone, but I told myself.. What bullshit... You asked for it man.

So like I said bro don let your ego take over. Use you brains and use your senses. We are all walking ATM's for them. If we are super strong and can give them all they ever need, better not think about trying to straighten them. But in so saying, there are some who are sick of the trade and are lookinh for an out... so you gotta really be careful.

warbird

20-02-2009, 11:33 AM

Harvest

20-02-2009, 12:25 PM

Thanks to bros who have shown support for this thread. Now that I have laid down the golden Rules of Engagement, let's move on to the next step...

HOMEWORK

What? Avoiding KC also must do homework?? Of course! Don't you guys scan for FRs first before going for your targets?? As a beginner rules player, you need to psycho yourself up and tell your BIG HEAD to activate emotional FORCE FIELD before the commercial sex engagement. Why? Because when you are at the sex battle field, all the blood will be flowing to your SMALL HEAD leaving your HEART extremely vulnerable to viral KC attacks! It will be too late to put up any last minute defenses by then. :eek:

Also, before you can KC a WL effectively without being burnt, learning how to avoid being KC-ed first is absolutely fundamental! Here's how to do it step by step:

1. Find a quiet place (Eg in your own bedroom) and close you eyes. Take a few deep breaths to relax and steer your mind away from any distractions.

2. Visualize at the back of your mind your sexual encounter with your target: From the moment you enter the room right to the hardcore action and the release. Everything is just so perfect. Her looks/skills are up to your expectations. She aimed to please and she delivered the goods. You gave her a hell of a ride and she enjoyed the session as much as you did. She whispered her sweet nothings to you, affirmed that you are her BEST lover she's ever had and hoped to see you again soon....She gave you one last CFM look and kissed you passionately like she never want to let you go. You dressed up and finally left. At this step the focus is on HER... and what she is doing, not on YOU or how good you felt!! Very important!!

3. Now this step may be slightly more difficult but if you've watched enough voyeur porn it should be easy. Continue to picture in your mind that as you are leaving the place, the next customer in the queue entered her room. You decided to be a voyeur to take a peep. She performed the exact same ritual as she was with you just a while ago. Everything with them was so perfect... their facial expressions, the hardcore actions right to the release. And to your surprise she whispered the EXACT same sweet nothings into his ears too... she told him he's the BEST lover she's ever had and hopes to see him again soon. She gave him the EXACT same CFM look and kissed him passionately like she never wanted to let him go... He still dressed up and left. Remember: The focus is still on HER... how she react, what she is doing, the ritual she goes thru... not on the customer!!

How does it FEEL now? More down to earth? Maybe some of you might even start to feel a sense of JEALOUSY and BETRAYAL. That's completely normal. This is how you prepare your emotional FORCE FIELD effectively. Step #3 serves to sink the REALITY of a commercial sex deep into your BIG HEAD. You may ask me why this sequence and not the other way round to start with another customer first. Reason is very simple - We men always thrill for "first blood" experience, to get her when she is "fresh". It is an illusion to think that your target will always be fresh for you but hey, this is the way to trick your mind to have a great time nevertheless! I noticed that if I switched the sequence around, I end up not enjoying the bonk as much because my subconscious mind keeps reminding me that she is not fresh for me!! :D

4. Now continue to picture this customer leaving her room... only to have a 3rd customer walking in shortly to start all over again. This time, you smile to yourself... because you know the rules of the game while those silly Roberts do not! Picture them receiving SMSes from your target and already planning for a RTF the next day with gifts! The more irrational they behave, the better. Also visualize how your target is laughing her way to the bank with thanks to all these Roberts!! But she couldn't even get a hook on you no matter how hard she tried! Hurray!!

5. Take your time to go thru this whole mental sequence at least twice if time permits. The excitement may be killing you but try to keep cool. Remind yourself that you are one hell of a rules player... and a darn good one that is!! You've got your emotional FORCE FIELD activated and you are going to execute the engagement process masterfully now that you've done your homework. No sweat at all!

To be continued...

DO_YOU_BJ

20-02-2009, 01:10 PM

Wah good good faster faster then newbie like me can learn a thing or two hehehehe

HairyBottom

20-02-2009, 01:10 PM

Good advise bro. Up my humble sticks of hoon kee to you. Quick continue hor, I'm crossing liao:p

Hi bro,

I hv had similiar encounters in the past. You avoided falling into a KC trap, that's great.

I'm most interested in this potentially very risky game...it's definitely not for the faint of heart...n I know I could be the one getting burnt, but then again, life is either a daring adventure or nothing, hahaha.:D

Good day!!

u 2 bros also here? must be being lured in by the thread title...just like me...haha.

admired your ambition and confidence to play KC game bro warbird...these kinda game not for me...me always no luck with WL...until now still no chance to try Jelly! :( :p

mike1304k

20-02-2009, 02:09 PM

Wah good good faster faster then newbie like me can learn a thing or two hehehehe

Bro DYBJ,

You the sifu or the sifu.... You should be like the examiner.... give marks for TS.... Band 1 or Band 2.

But bros, please hor... just my humble opinion, do not try to KC trap people because just like you do not want to be trapped, please do not try to do so to others lah.... Some more, unless you really heartless SOB who can slap and stamp on a girl when she is crying her eyes out, just pay and run lah.... Flame me if you want, but I learnt this the hard way lah.... Look for trouble, trouble will find you. Don't forget "Hell knows no fury like a woman scorned". There are threads out there of how revengeful WL and Fl will do their best to destroy the guys who took them. Personally I was also stalked before. The lady called my home at least 30 times, my office another 30 times and my handphone 100 times. Nearly caused me to lose my job. She also came to my house everyday to make sure I was at home or not... leave notes and so on. Lucky she did not turn nasty... Or worse still go legal... She can claim I raped her...molest her or what and no matter how hard it is to say I am innocent, I would find it difficult to prove it.... Just my opinion like I said. Nothing against Bro TS. I even upped him for a good thread.

DO_YOU_BJ

20-02-2009, 03:41 PM

Actually, no pun intended in my post but the art of KCing is something like a virus.
Find a cure, it will morph into a newer strain and thus, the battle to outwit is an ever evolving thing.

To me, the usual stuff apply:
Show care but dun really care
Make her feel love but dun love
Lend a listening ear but deaf
Lend her your shoulder to cry on but think of something else whilst she's crying her lungs out
Always say that women cry irritates you more than softens you
Never reveal true identity...call Mr Tan but tell her you Mr Chan
Never give out business card...if you do, give one that you resigned donkey years ago, better if that company close down liao
Never let her know where you stay...stay in katong say stay Choa Chu Kang
Tell her must earn her keep no free rides on this earth
Never feel pity.....whether she cry till collapse or not, just stand firm...HEARTLESS

The whole success of any KC is to remember, what you can make and decipher on her motives, do not for a second think she isnt able to decipher yours...its all about outwitting.
Like wat bro XYZ1001 said, thick face black heart.
You know what you want from the very start, that's to conquer and finish off this fresh pasture and off to the next.
From this statement, what makes you think she isnt thinking the same????????

The golden rule of not getting into any KC situtation that will disadvantage oneself is to know, once you have feel for this individual, walk away & cut ties.
Like wat bro Harvest mentioned, have a good think of her.
Always use this scenerio.
Visualise that this is a WL that you're fond of.....are you KCed yet? NO! Getting there but no there yet.
Next, imagine you're dumping her etc or making her heart break conciously and she crys her lungs out....visualise this, if you can see that you'll feel nottin, go for it. If it even tickles your heart a little, move off...dun play laio cos you already on unfirm ground.

To me, that's the most important rule and line to measure....cos that's like the holy grail liao, moment of truth...once cross, to return, painful man!!!!

Optimus_Prime

20-02-2009, 03:53 PM

Firstly, I like to congratulate Bro Harvest on an extremely well-written thread. A lot of what he writes is true.

Just to add my 2 cents worth.

Just know the 2 GOLDEN TRUTHS of surviving in this KC/WL etc thingie

1. No amount of guide or sound advise is enough. Everyone will feel they are special and it won't happen to them. But it DOES ! You just have to walk the path and FAIL a few times before you get smart. There is no shortcuts.

2. Never... ever... ever... think you are smarter than a WL. There are always new tricks you have not seen, there are always new ways of conning their way into your heart. Never think you know all their tricks. Like the old saying, there is always a higher mountain waiting after this.

juzplay

20-02-2009, 03:57 PM

All the advices sound decent... alas...

mike1304k

20-02-2009, 04:08 PM

Clap Clap Clap!!! You have said the right thing!!! Do not think you are smarter. Like I said... every scenario, just use big head and the brain inside. Every move.. also use both.... Once you think you have a tickle in the heart... run far far away....

Many will say "my heart is made of steel" or they may think they know enough to "play" the lady... but I have also seen many who have died by the wayside.... crying their hearts out at what they lost... The girl has a thousand ways to trap us and the unforunate thing is we guys do not think with the right head sometimes.

My previous experience with a Thai teerak is a classic example.... After licking my wounds from being mauled by KTV teeraks... I had a massage lady... She opened up to me that she had a kid too... Everything very open, everything very GFE and nice. After a few months of her constantly coming to my hotel room to give me massage, she would not initiate anything. even cuddling or hugging. So comes the trap, my little brother and ego started to say "ok lah.... nice lady lah" and so started to hug.. After a few more months, it became more physical and one day, we got hot and wanted to do it... She said " Don wori... I do not sleep with any client... I am clean... You know me"..... F man.... I know you only the time you are with me... Lord knows what the hell you do in your spare time.... and also if I go in raw... wat happens if the KC trap is sprung.... Months later.... some bouncing baby comes out and calls me "papa"? So I told her... I know her and trust her... but I have been a naughty boy and do not want to expose her to anything.... then whipped out a rubber... did it with her... Kiss and cuddled... then after saying goodbye.... deleted her number.... getting too close liao... danger liao.... either she spring trap or I will also fall.... So that is the story my brothers.... use brains at every move....

leecs

20-02-2009, 04:12 PM

DO U BJ:

Thanks for your advice. I will follow your steps & be ruthless!!!!!

HCKing

20-02-2009, 05:09 PM

DO U BJ:

Thanks for your advice. I will follow your steps & be ruthless!!!!!

wat happen to yr wife and PRC girl story? gt any latest development or still hanging there? share share leh.:D

Harvest

20-02-2009, 05:57 PM

Thanks again to the senior bros here who have selflessly offered their own words of wisdom and sharing of their experiences.

Before I carry on, here is something that I would like to clarify: What I'm sharing here are NOT dirty tricks to cheat the WL!! If you squarely equate KC= CHEATING, then I'm sorry to say that your narrow-mindedness will only get you that far in life. As I've mentioned in my intro of this thread, the purpose of my sharing here is to offer new/inexperienced bros methods and tips on how to play the game wisely - to seduce instead of being seduced in the commercial sex environment. The intention is to help them optimize their bonking experiences (thru KC-ing the WL) without being caught up by emotional baggages (being KC-ed in the end). In no way am I referring "to seduce" as in "to cheat" the WL! If you are looking for some unscrupulous, under-table means or dirty tricks to seduce the WL with the intention of cheating her, YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY HERE! In fact, I would DESPISE you!! Pls leave this thread immediately!! I hope I've made myself very clear... thank you.

To be continued...

ez.link

20-02-2009, 05:58 PM

Don't be angry. relax!

Harvest

20-02-2009, 06:47 PM

Hi bro, you're a sage!

But to KC a WL/FL/KTV gal, one must intentionally turn the RTFs into "non-commercial bonk" n engage her outside closed door. Your title is "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" n if one always obeys Rule #3, how could one KC the gal? Following all ur 3 Rules religiously will merely prevent one from getting KCed. Pls clarify. I'm eagerly awaiting ur insights n trade secrets, hahaha.:D

Thx a lot!

Bro, I think you have mistaken... Based on my Rule #3, you must make sure that every RTF visit is still a bonk regardless whether itz a commercial or non-commercial basis. So you can still KC the gal as long as the main dish is sex! Rule #3 is to guard against the progress to non-sexual RTF visits, which is an ALARM to warn us of crossing the KC line of no return. :)

Harvest

20-02-2009, 06:52 PM

haha, nice post on how to avoid KC-ed
as what many bros advise down here, always let your big head rule your heart and small head.
Any advices on how to KC a WL?

The guide on how to KC the WL will be coming up soon... stay tuned. ;)

HCKing

20-02-2009, 07:19 PM

The guide on how to KC the WL will be coming up soon... stay tuned. ;)

camping here for more. thanks 4 sharing bro. hehe.:D

Harvest

21-02-2009, 12:21 AM

TECHNICAL EXECUTION

This is probably the part that most bros are waiting for. You are horny, you've selected your target and you're armed with an emotional force field after going thru the visualization process and mental preparation. Whatz next? Time to rock 'n roll! Now here's the tricky part... According to Rule #1, no emotions should be involved in commercial sex. But isn't it true that when you RTF and KC your WL there will be emotions involved? YES and NO. You can experience emotions of LUST but you don't have to have emotions of LOVE/ROMANCE. You can look the part and play the part of KC-ing as if you are really falling for her without any lost of control.

P.S. Guys, a gentle reminder again that when u decide to play this KC game you must be ready to pull hand-brake anytime! :eek:The Rules cannot be broken! Here's the guide on executing the engagement:

1. If this is the first time you are patronizing her, you want to leave an above-average impression. So be a nice guy and for goodness' sake, LOWER your EXPECTATIONS no matter what you have read from the FRs. Her primary duty is to satisfy your lust and her secondary duty is to provide good customer service hoping that you will RTF. So move with the flow... smile and do some small talk to break the ice. Ask a mixture of routine (eg. "Taken your meal?") and light-hearted (eg. "The perfume smells familiar...Channel?") questions that are easy-going and non-threatening. If she is the more daring type and start frenching you etc, move with the flow and show her that you are game for it. Give her the impression that you are a little lost lamb about to be devoured by a big bad wolf... Haha. She'll love it.

2. During the foreplay/sex, take mental notes of her style/preferences/habits so that you can "score points" when opportunities arrive. For example: I have one regular WL that likes to blow me with me standing up and she kneeling down. Usually it is done on the bed but one day I spontaneously "ambushed" her before she's even ready to step onto the bed so she has no choice but to kneel on the floor. I took the chance to stop her blowing halfway and offered her a pillow to rest her knees on. She was surprised but declined. So I threw the pillow back on the bed and sarcastically remarked that she doesn't appreciate my kindness. She burst into laughter and said she knows I "cared" for her and she is very happy. Needless to say we had a very fantastic bonk that evening to say the very least.

3. Here's a little secret many, many WLs have told me time and again: The 2 most important sexual skills that a customer can leave a lasting impression.... kissing and cunnilingus! All ladies like a good kiss esp those type that are tender yet passionate, not those aggressive + saliva all over the place type! So watch your salivas, dude! For cunnilingus, OMG I can write a whole book on this but basically, keep your tongue well-LUBRICATED. Start with a variety of motion, but end with CONSISTENCY and SPEED! If she doesn't want to climax, pls be a gentleman and don't force your way to make her to! For women, the pleasure from a good tonguing itself is often more than enough to impress her!

4. Here's another little known secret on foreplay: Caress her hair and glide your fingers thru them while you are kissing/frenching her. Look her in the eyes once a while and STARE at them LOVINGLY for at least 5 secs before you continue kissing again. The eyes are the windows to her soul, Mr Cassanova! When you know her better, you can also whisper sweet nothings into her ears. ("Your hair smells so nice... Your skin feels so soft and tender... I missed you so much... etc") But whisper the sweet nothings SPARINGLY, not too often, and say it like as if you MEAN it to create maximum effect on her neuro-senses and make her crave for more.

5. And please guys, save the flowers/presents in your RTFs!! Very important! For goodness' sake this is not your usual bf/gf kind of r/s so there's absolutely no need to KC her that way. Remember that most of her other Roberts are doing just the same so to stand out from the crowd you have to be different! As you RTF, approach her with a certain dose of COCKINESS! Make some sarcastic jokes and tease her from time to time. "Huh? You are wearing this bra/panties again ah? So obiang... your grandma's one is it??" The idea is to crack her up, let her guard down subconsciously and make her feel more CONNECTED to you with each RTF visit.

****IMPORTANT: Put on your emotional FORCE FIELD always!! No matter how "loving" you appear to be. Focus on your LUST for her, focus on the great SEX, but NEVER focus on HER!!! **** :p

To be continued...

Harvest

21-02-2009, 12:22 AM

Wah good good faster faster then newbie like me can learn a thing or two hehehehe

You newbie then nobody in SBF is lao jia loh! Haha.

pussyman72

21-02-2009, 01:14 AM

DO_YOU_BJ

21-02-2009, 01:31 AM

Well done and good write up.
Very evil guy hehehehehe
I like plus seal of praise!!!
Upz u 7 good effort!!!

HCKing

21-02-2009, 01:37 AM

sounds cool, will be heading down HC and TN for target practise. i all the while on defensive mode tink the time has come to turn AGGRESSOR. hehehe.:p

waiwaiz

21-02-2009, 01:51 AM

Bros......Lots of things can play , but never play with KC thingy.......You may not know what u r playing with...........:confused:

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colins

21-02-2009, 02:25 AM

Hahahaha...good job good job. Sounds like loads of self hypnosis before turning up as a KC artist! ;)

i1papaya

21-02-2009, 07:55 AM

walabis

21-02-2009, 08:59 AM

fee3fow

21-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Wah TS you better tell people to master Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off before proceeding on to KCing WL. Will greatly reduce the casualty rate :D

色海无边，回头是岸

iii_light

21-02-2009, 09:48 AM

First things first... Guys, here are the [B][SIZE="4"]3 Rules of Engagement in commercial sex:

Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off

To put it simply - No emotions involved for this money-for-pussy transaction. When the whole deed is over, it is OVER. Next target!

Rule #2: If you RTF, remind yourself of Rule #1!

Granted. Since the bonk was so wonderful, you plan to RTF and perhaps keep this WL as one of your regular sex companions. You want to seduce her to try your luck in getting some "preferential treatments" from her. Fine. But in order to be an effective rules player, you have to SINK Rule #1 deep into your coconut head BEFORE you RTF. How to do that? I'll touch on that later.

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

Very, very important. If you find your sessions with the WL becoming non-bonking sessions and replaced by non-sexual activities (eg. just hug and chat) you MUST absolutely STOP the RTF and change target!! Or else you will be in danger of crossing the KC line of NO RETURN!!

...

Brother Harvest,

This is very very true. The 3 Rules of Engagement in Commercial Sex must be followed.

In my opinion, what's the point of KCing those FL especially those come from overseas, they are here to earn $ and their intention is to earn as much as they can. When they KCing you is just becoz they know you can help them to earn $ otherwise they won't be so nice to you.

Just my 1 cent worth of opinion.

billo

21-02-2009, 12:43 PM

In my opinion, what's the point of KCing those FL especially those come from overseas, they are here to earn $ and their intention is to earn as much as they can.

I think I agree to the above. Just purely "pay, fuck and forget" why wanna KC here and there :confused: is a waste of times and efforts; they are not true and sincere.......I better spend my times and efforts to earn more money since economic is so bad nowadays. If I have more money I have more fucks.......Money makes the World goes round. ;)

Harvest

21-02-2009, 01:46 PM

lol bro u teach newbie how to kc them ah... i scare they cannot handle lei... usually have to get burn once or twice before knowing how to kc WL lei...

also must see situation lei not all gers the same diff tactics have to be deploy in order to kc WL lei lol ;)

Dun worry, if the newbies cannot handle and get burnt they can always come back here and seek consultation from bro DYBJ's love clinic. :p

Yes of course not all girls the same. This is just a GUIDE, not a BIBLE... But I will discuss more tactics from time to time.

Harvest

21-02-2009, 01:49 PM

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Very evil guy hehehehehe ...

Wei bro, dun say until I so bad leh... I'm still a little lost lamb waiting to become lamb chop wor! Bwahaha.

cablesnwires

21-02-2009, 01:53 PM

Anyone game enough for starting a Guide entitled "Newbies Guide to those who kenna KC-ed and how to recover from it"? :D

Harvest

21-02-2009, 01:59 PM

Bro Harvest,

Great effort you have made. I can print out your writting in a handbook liao:D. Great guide. How about next to organise a workshop about "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her":D Nice effort.:)

Thanks dude. You just reminded me something here... Fellow bros, be my guest to copy and paste and print all you want BUT... do all of us a favour - don't show them to the girls!!! Thank you.

Organize a workshop?? No need lah... just follow my guide, improvise to suit your own needs and practise till the cows come home. You'll be the next legendary commercial sex cassanova in no time. ;)

Harvest

21-02-2009, 02:05 PM

Wah TS you better tell people to master Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off before proceeding on to KCing WL. Will greatly reduce the casualty rate :D

色海无边，回头是岸

Ok then, for the sake of the newbies here in the KC game... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... For heaven's sake, Master Rule #1 religiously and drill it deep into your BIG HEAD before you try to play the KC game. Extremely important!! Unless... you want to give bro DYBJ's love clinic some business. I'm sure he doesn't mind. Bwahaha.

This is not a game for the faint-hearted! You have been REMINDED and WARNED!

Harvest

21-02-2009, 02:34 PM

Brother Harvest,

In my opinion, what's the point of KCing those FL especially those come from overseas, they are here to earn $ and their intention is to earn as much as they can. When they KCing you is just becoz they know you can help them to earn $ otherwise they won't be so nice to you.

Just my 1 cent worth of opinion.

Good comment, bro! Let me take this opportunity to clarify...

This is the other extreme swing in the pendulum. Some bros here are perhaps in the opinion that the only reason you KC the WL is to "take revenge" for her KC-ing you. So let me dispel this notion once and for all: NO. That is not the motivation to KC her. In fact, this is a very LOUSY reason to KC... It shows that you are immature, a manipulative loser crying foul because she "broke your heart" while doing her job. Pls grow up.

The motivation then is to enhance your bonking experience. The intention is to bring the sexual experience to a higher level of enjoyment... to be her Mr Cassanova instead of just another boring Robert in bed.... so that she'll likely to offer you "preferential treatment" beyond the SOPs.

Once again, let me emphasize this: In the context of this guide, KC-ing the WL is NOT about cheating her, taking revenge or any other ill intentions to harm any parties!!

Thanks for bringing this point up, bro. :cool:

Harvest

21-02-2009, 02:42 PM

Anyone game enough for starting a Guide entitled "Newbies Guide to those who kenna KC-ed and how to recover from it"? :D

Haha. I'm planning to write a section on this later actually...

pussyman72

21-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Fellow bros, be my guest to copy and paste and print all you want BUT... do all of us a favour - don't show them to the girls!!! Thank you.

sad to said some lambs have even share with their gers about this site n what we are talking about them. :rolleyes:

i rather this are not shared and let each of them try their own way of kcing or being kc... i dont see any benefit by sharing the kc ways..... :rolleyes: i prefer let it be natural and let everyone play their own games and see for themself... as u already have known many gone crazy after being kc and do stupid things.....

there is nothing to write about. no matter how much we write does it mean kc trap will stop or we can kc them..... think again.. what newbies guide blah blah all bullshit lar up to individual how he can take the shit.....

the more we teach the more cocky this guys going to be and later spoil market....ya ya papaya thinking they very ai sai in the end oso kanna slaughter....

no need to come out tactics, Guides .... etc... No 1 Rule that ruled all rules Fark and Fark Off..... song come back have another FFO else change....

warbird

21-02-2009, 05:17 PM

Bro, I think you have mistaken... Based on my Rule #3, you must make sure that every RTF visit is still a bonk regardless whether itz a commercial or non-commercial basis. So you can still KC the gal as long as the main dish is sex! Rule #3 is to guard against the progress to non-sexual RTF visits, which is an ALARM to warn us of crossing the KC line of no return. :)

Hi bro Harvest,

Thx for the reply. Your ability to KC the gal w/o any non-sexual RTF visits attests to ur incredible KC power. You deserve to be honoured as the Grand Master!

If the purpose is merely to get the gal to like u very much n to give u preferential treatment, it's achievable. But if u want a FL/WL/KTV gal to fall madly in love w/ u, it's difficult, though not impossible, w/o any non-sexual RTFs, IMHO. Many younger n prettier KTV gals want nonsexual sessions first, such as going out for dinner, etc.

TECHNICAL EXECUTION

This is probably the part that most bros are waiting for.........................

.................The idea is to crack her up, let her guard down subconsciously and make her feel more CONNECTED to you with each RTF visit.

****IMPORTANT: Put on your emotional FORCE FIELD always!! No matter how "loving" you appear to be. Focus on your LUST for her, focus on the great SEX, but NEVER focus on HER!!! **** :p

To be continued...

Best advice I hv ever read!! It should work even better w/ non-WLs!!!:cool:

Unfortunately, I normally neither french kiss nor perform cunnilingus on FLs/WLs.;)

Thx bro.

norigo77

21-02-2009, 05:27 PM

3 Rules of Engagement[/B] in commercial sex:

Rule #1: Fuck and Fuck Off

To put it simply - No emotions involved for this money-for-pussy transaction. When the whole deed is over, it is OVER. Next target!

Rule #2: If you RTF, remind yourself of Rule #1!

Granted. Since the bonk was so wonderful, you plan to RTF and perhaps keep this WL as one of your regular sex companions. You want to seduce her to try your luck in getting some "preferential treatments" from her. Fine. But in order to be an effective rules player, you have to SINK Rule #1 deep into your coconut head BEFORE you RTF. How to do that? I'll touch on that later.

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

Very, very important. If you find your sessions with the WL becoming non-bonking sessions and replaced by non-sexual activities (eg. just hug and chat) you MUST absolutely STOP the RTF and change target!! Or else you will be in danger of crossing the KC line of NO RETURN!!

To be continued...

Wah sey... Bro! That is the best fucking advice (no pun intended) I've ever heard for a long long time liao. How's life on your side man? Long time no catch up liao.

Keep up the good work and up u 7 pts. :)

ekemono

21-02-2009, 05:35 PM

there is nothing to write about. no matter how much we write does it mean kc trap will stop or we can kc them..... think again.. what newbies guide blah blah all bullshit lar up to individual how he can take the shit.....

the more we teach the more cocky this guys going to be and later spoil market....ya ya papaya thinking they very ai sai in the end oso kanna slaughter....

no need to come out tactics, Guides .... etc... No 1 Rule that ruled all rules Fark and Fark Off..... song come back have another FFO else change....

Up you for it.
correct. What rules and giude when KC itself doesn't have rules and guide

topcat

21-02-2009, 07:24 PM

very impressive thread. bro, good job.

Harvest

22-02-2009, 12:18 AM

....
If the purpose is merely to get the gal to like u very much n to give u preferential treatment, it's achievable. But if u want a FL/WL/KTV gal to fall madly in love w/ u, it's difficult, though not impossible, w/o any non-sexual RTFs, IMHO. Many younger n prettier KTV gals want nonsexual sessions first, such as going out for dinner, etc.

Well, I guess itz up to the individual how far he wants to go with this game. The more daring the adventure, the higher the stakes! As a rules player, we should already pull the handbrake when rule #3 is violated, because in the first place, why would you want the WL to fall madly in love with you?? Haha. But good point you've brought up here. I will discuss this in my later postings. Cheers!

Harvest

22-02-2009, 12:20 AM

Wah sey... Bro! That is the best fucking advice (no pun intended) I've ever heard for a long long time liao. How's life on your side man? Long time no catch up liao.

Keep up the good work and up u 7 pts. :)

Thanks. I'm doing fine, bro. You still with your tiraks? Letz catch up over kopi soon.

Harvest

22-02-2009, 12:34 AM

THE AFTERMATH

Now that you have engaged your target and the deed is over, mission is accomplished. How were you feeling as you leave? Be brutally HONEST, man! Besides the sextifaction, did you start to MISS HER?? In other words, did her CFM look and/or GFE sparks pierced thru your emotional force field and planted a KC time bomb in your heart?? Did you secretly already decide to RTF her (if this is your first time) again?? For the newbies in this game, if it has been a good experience, the answer is probably YES... but FRET NOT! As a disciplined rules player, here's what you can do to defuse the time bomb:

1. ADMIT IT. Observe your thoughts! If you find yourself thinking of HER at least 10 times in the next hour (alone and smiling to yourself), chances are that you are already smitten!! Now, there is nothing wrong missing the WL so don't start beating yourself up and cry father cry mother. We are all humans after all. Hey, even the girls miss us too! So take it easy... BUT you have to be honest and admit!!

2. EXPRESS IT OUT. What exactly did you find yourself attracted to her?? If you are an introvert, pen it down in your diary or blog... or even this forum!! Haha. (No doubt swamps of Samsters will give you written lashings!) The more detailed, the better. If you are an extrovert, find a trusted buddy to share with (and make sure he keeps your secret!). You should feel a better sense of emotional balance now after some time of reflection.

3. LET IT GO. Close your eyes and take a deep breath. Visualize in your mind what you have described in step #2... all those points that you are attracted to her (eg pretty eyes, CFM looks, the way she moans/screams etc). Hold the image there for 10 secs with intensity (that is as if she is just right in front of you!), then see the image fading into the background... the image size shrinking smaller and smaller... the colour turning to b/w... the sounds (of her moans etc) softening away... until everything disappeared into an imaginary tiny "black hole" and your mind is just blank. Then hold that new blank image for another 10 secs longer, take another deep breath and open your eyes slowly. Done correctly, you should feel that the "KC load" is lighter now. Repeat step#3 for at least 3 to 5 times before you go to bed that night to ensure optimal "defusing effect".

4. OBSERVE. Continue to keep a conscious track on your thoughts for the next 2 to 3 days to make sure that the KC bomb does not suddenly resurrect itself by them! Very important!! If this step fails, you will have to go thru step #1 to #3 again. Be HONEST! If by the 3rd day you don't find yourself missing her, congrats! You've made it (so far)...

Ok guys. KC Bomb defused! ~Phew!~ Then you have to ask yourself at some point: "Next target or RTF?" My strong advice is find next target! Recall: Master Rule #1 first if you want to survive in this KC game!! If the foundation is not well-built, the building will collapse! :eek:

But if you are the Kang Ho type and wants to play with fire,... be my guest and RTF for all you want. If you get burnt, there's 2 things you can do:

a) turn cynical, curse and swear all you want (like some bros here), or

b) come back to this thread and execute the KC recovery strategies which I'll be covering later.

I'll leave the decision to you. Good luck! :cool:

To be continued...

kiko

22-02-2009, 12:35 AM

Bro Harvest: Well Said, i agreed with u!:)

DO_YOU_BJ

22-02-2009, 12:37 AM

Bro Harvest: Well Said, i agreed with u!:)

Agreed wif Harvest means last time agree now disagree liao hor!

kiko

22-02-2009, 12:41 AM

Bro DO_YOU_BJ: I had learnt from all the bros on this kc things by china gals. I will never fall into their trap again. :)

i1papaya

22-02-2009, 12:53 AM

Perhaps you want to share your experience

I'm just nothing and a nobody comparing to you all the senior Grandmaster and King class of standard:D

Thanks dude. You just reminded me something here... Fellow bros, be my guest to copy and paste and print all you want BUT... do all of us a favour - don't show them to the girls!!! Thank you.

Organize a workshop?? No need lah... just follow my guide, improvise to suit your own needs and practise till the cows come home. You'll be the next legendary commercial sex cassanova in no time. ;)

I think I will only be the Casualty most of the time nia. But with this guide, it should able to help me how to tackle and reduces the seriousness of my wound but can't improve me to be a sex cassanova:D

marlborotan

22-02-2009, 01:01 AM

I'm just nothing and a nobody comparing to you all the senior Grandmaster and King class of standard:D

Mai too humble hor bro. kee kee

tks to TS and others bros who share here. Knowing the rules is one thing, able to apply it will be another skill set loh. Will try and see how. :p

colins

22-02-2009, 03:17 AM

Hi Bro Harvest, good write up on avoiding KC. Maybe I missed out a large part, but can we learn about KC-ing them WLs too? ;)

warbird

22-02-2009, 10:45 AM

Well, I guess itz up to the individual how far he wants to go with this game. The more daring the adventure, the higher the stakes! As a rules player, we should already pull the handbrake when rule #3 is violated, because in the first place, why would you want the WL to fall madly in love with you?? Haha. But good point you've brought up here. I will discuss this in my later postings. Cheers!

Why do I want a WL to fall madly in love w/ me (unrequited love for me)? For fun, risks, thrills, sense of accomplishment, adrenaline rush, etc. And why not? Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.:cool: Being n getting nothing is not a wise option.

Not just any WL of course...must be young, very pretty, sexy, tall...my type of dream gal.:D

I know it's a tough mission, specially w/ those young/pretty PRC MMs, but certainly doable. I think I'm making steady progress, aided greatly by body language training, NLP, meditation...it's a mind game.

The question is how much time n efforts I'm willing to invest...and my ROI...

BTW, to own her heart, money is unimportant (believe it or not). In fact, throwing money n showering her w/ gifts will make u unattractive, even repulsive, to her at the subconscious level. Trust me on this one.

THE AFTERMATH

Now that you have engaged your target and the deed is over, mission is accomplished. How were you feeling as you leave?................ but FRET NOT! As a disciplined rules player, here's what you can do to defuse the time bomb:............................................. ....................................

I'll leave the decision to you. Good luck! :cool:

To be continued...

Hi bro Harvest,

You must be a master of NLP or neuro-linguistic programming. It takes a lot of practice to be effective though.

Thx for sharing.:p

Batobus

22-02-2009, 04:00 PM

Well said Bro Harvest!

Sometimes it's difficult to control the feeling. Let me share my experience with you on my "How to KC her & Yet I Kanna KC" too

Was introduced to this WL by my friends & happened to up her after a few outing. As her time is rather inflexible as she is with OKT, we could only meet in the night after she knocked off.

Initially almost every other day, I would sneak out at about 12mn to meet her for supper & go jalan jalan. The feeling for each other grew stronger & stronger days after days.

Then one day, while with this WL, my wife called but I couldn't answer the call as I was in the hotel room with her. My phone went on ringing non-stop until I've got to run down to the hotel lobby to answer the call

Immediately, my mind was in the twirl as I just wanted to go home & keep my wife company. Since then I have not contacted the WL but in my mind, I always missed her

Definitely there are rules to follow when you want to play this KC game but the only advice I can give it "Never jeopardize your family" even if you have ti give up your KC

"Remember at the end of the very day, we will all go home & sleep with our family"

My 2 cents worth of sharing.

i1papaya

22-02-2009, 10:07 PM

"Remember at the end of the very day, we will all go home & sleep with our family"

My 2 cents worth of sharing.

You sounds familar...:D and what about the flowers:p

colins

23-02-2009, 02:19 AM

.......

"Remember at the end of the very day, we will all go home & sleep with our family"

My 2 cents worth of sharing.

I think the rule which bro harvest brought forth is, never jeopardise anything in your life for a WL. haha...;)

DegenerationX

23-02-2009, 09:41 AM

BTW, to own her heart, money is unimportant (believe it or not). In fact, throwing money n showering her w/ gifts will make u unattractive, even repulsive, to her at the subconscious level. Trust me on this one.

yes, i agree on this!

pussyman72

23-02-2009, 09:43 AM

I think the rule which bro harvest brought forth is, never jeopardise anything in your life for a WL. haha...;)

whatever we post here, guide books, kc experience, kc skills and so on... pple just had to remember this and it very clear....

No Money No Honey....

warbird

23-02-2009, 10:35 AM

yes, i agree on this!

whatever we post here, guide books, kc experience, kc skills and so on... pple just had to remember this and it very clear....

No Money No Honey....

YES, if u hv enough money, u could own or possess the body of a very beautiful woman/gal, but u dun own her heart, I'm sorry to say.

To own her heart or get her to fall for u, u must attract her at the subconscious level....this is a very complex topic.;)

IMHO, spending big money on any gal is very negative if ur goal is to own her heart. This is counter-intuitive but true. I'm speaking from painful personal experiences...now LESS is MORE for me. By spending little n staying aloof, giving her the impression that u r a "great catch" n that she is very lucky to know u, u will eventually own her body n heart, no matter how young n beautiful she is. The reason is that she can't help it. Attraction Is Not A Choice. Of course u must play the part n hv supreme confidence n the right personality n body language. Be unflappable, arrogant yet funny...practice NLP diligently...ur looks, height, education level, age n even financial/social status r unimportant, believe it or not...:cool:

I'm not sure if bro Harvest agrees w/ me n I await his insights n advice on this fascinating topic.

Good day!!

mike1304k

23-02-2009, 10:42 AM

Actually after all the advice and so on, it all boils down to using one's brains lah... If we meet a normal person.... not bad looks... not bad shape... we will feel attraction. If that normal person blinks at us... we will feel flattered and our ego's inflate.. Now throw in a FL or WL who has a far better bod than a normal lady, has "skills" that are also better, your heart better be pretty hardboiled or you will feel a tinge of.."hmmmm feels damn nice when I am with her" and since you already had sex.... you have already skipped Step 1 and 2 and can bonk her any time... so den your little head takes over... your hormones rage and you cannot control anymore... That is why TS said... once you find yourself RTF and not doing it... better run... but for me... I would say that if you RTF and look forward to spending time with her.. you are already starting to be well and truly screwed.. so you gotta review everything and be prepared...

pussyman72

23-02-2009, 11:06 AM

hmm still catch no ball :rolleyes:

DO_YOU_BJ

23-02-2009, 11:34 AM

YES, if u hv enough money, u could own or possess the body of a very beautiful woman/gal, but u dun own her heart, I'm sorry to say.

To own her heart or get her to fall for u, u must attract her at the subconscious level....this is a very complex topic.;)

IMHO, spending big money on any gal is very negative if ur goal is to own her heart. This is counter-intuitive but true. I'm speaking from painful personal experiences...now LESS is MORE for me. By spending little n staying aloof, giving her the impression that u r a "great catch" n that she is very lucky to know u, u will eventually own her body n heart, no matter how young n beautiful she is. The reason is that she can't help it. Attraction Is Not A Choice. Of course u must play the part n hv supreme confidence n the right personality n body language. Be unflappable, arrogant yet funny...practice NLP diligently...ur looks, height, education level, age n even financial/social status r unimportant, believe it or not...:cool:

Actually, not entirely true bro, apologies if i dun see eye to eye on this matter wif you.
Maybe also cos i've just come back and have not slept yet...hehehehe

To know a FL/WL, you'll need the very basic...$$$$$$$$
For them to even really notice you, you'll also need the very basic....$$$$$$
For them to really get close to you or to allow yourself to be shortlisted, you'll need to have the basic.......$$$$$$$$$$
Of cos, charisma etc follows..........
But to have $$$$ does not mean you be a damn bloody carrot head but spend only when necessary.

Example me, not much $$$$$$$ but always tell them same shit.
As u know, me play singers only.
Some even hint direct cash monthly dun hang flower else gotta split wif company...i'll tell them, but i here partly cos your boss n me brudder, so must support both sides.
Gifts can buy but never splurge and also, most importantly, never buy things they ask for.....bottomline, dun spoil them.

I notice many men, will do everything to please these WL/FL...i'm so amazed...why an intelligent man would stoop so low to get recognition from such women?????????
I am sure many have also seen, a WL throwing tantrums and the man submit...damn cannot heck. Fuck, who wears the skirt man??????

Bros who cheong wif me will know, if mine throw tantrums, guarantee she'll be crying and silent the rest of the night........
I've known men who bot properties for them too....even when i did last time, i told her....hey, we only together 6mths, i buy this property put under company's name 1st, when all is settled and confirmed, it'll be yours......yes 2 reasons for that.....
1) Cos i(notice i say i and never say she or we cos only she knows that answer) really was in love wif her & she was pregnant wif my baby.
2) Qualifying period required and also, if she fails, she has to fuck off, which she already did, and the house is still MINE!

The golden rule we must all remember is this like the topic of this discussion:
Re: How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her

There is no right or wrong formula.
It's ever changing and evolving
Fuck and forget, good to use for newbies but lao jaio, they'll say waste time no kick! Well, I'll be the 1st.......F&F waste time(no offense to bros who live by this principle)

To KC and not be KCed only can require one skill, like it or not, accept it or not, but its the only way or else confirm kenna highway!
It's called, lies and deciet.
Why? Damn bastard rite????
Nope, to me it isnt.
How you make a gal fall in love wif you????
You say all those luvy dovy things, do all those luvy dovy things and you still dun get KCed or already kenna KC??????
Come on...dun gel rite
The only way is to be a Golden Horse Award winner and act all the way thru, in more uncensored terms, lie or cheat your way thru her heart......or else, how else can you not get KCed and play along and walk away unscathed?????
Make sense?????

Well, to me, it's all an act, an like i always preach they're all ghosts, and to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief...else, there's no other way to really come out of this without a single scratch.

Harvest

23-02-2009, 11:48 AM

...
I think I will only be the Casualty most of the time nia. But with this guide, it should able to help me how to tackle and reduces the seriousness of my wound but can't improve me to be a sex cassanova:D

No worries bro, I'll give some tips and pointers along the way how you can be a sex god too. Stay tuned...:p

Harvest

23-02-2009, 11:55 AM

Hi Bro Harvest, good write up on avoiding KC. Maybe I missed out a large part, but can we learn about KC-ing them WLs too? ;)

Bro colins, you can refer to my section on TECHNICAL EXECUTION as a good start on how to KC the WL in bed. But if you want to KC them in non-sexual settings, .... hmm, I'm not sure if I want to cover those strategies here because the potential causalty rate will be EXTREMELY high... :eek:

DO_YOU_BJ

23-02-2009, 12:07 PM

Bro colins, you can refer to my section on TECHNICAL EXECUTION as a good start on how to KC the WL in bed. But if you want to KC them in non-sexual settings, .... hmm, I'm not sure if I want to cover those strategies here because the potential causalty rate will be EXTREMELY high... :eek:

Bro Harvest, i'm curious about something.
You mean you can KC a WL/FL in a sexual setting?
You mean you can KC them in sex????? Like the look in her eyes, how she looks at you etc etc?
I always tot the KC 99% happens away from bed??????
Sorry ah, no pun intended but like i posted earlier, have not slept yet so maybe mind already half screwed hehehehe

Harvest

23-02-2009, 12:16 PM

Why do I want a WL to fall madly in love w/ me (unrequited love for me)? For fun, risks, thrills, sense of accomplishment, adrenaline rush, etc. And why not? Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.:cool: Being n getting nothing is not a wise option.
...
I know it's a tough mission, specially w/ those young/pretty PRC MMs, but certainly doable. I think I'm making steady progress, aided greatly by body language training, NLP, meditation...it's a mind game.

The question is how much time n efforts I'm willing to invest...and my ROI...

BTW, to own her heart, money is unimportant (believe it or not). In fact, throwing money n showering her w/ gifts will make u unattractive, even repulsive, to her at the subconscious level. Trust me on this one.

...

Hi bro Harvest,

You must be a master of NLP or neuro-linguistic programming. It takes a lot of practice to be effective though.

Thx for sharing.:p

Bro Warbird,

I have confidence that with your wealth of experience and good progress, u will certainly outdo your "dream girls" in this KC game. :) Yes, it is all a mind game. And yes, I'm a NLP practitioner (you too!) and the strategies I've shared are all modified/improvised from the NLP skills I've acquired over the years.

Why not u share with us your strategies and insights to this game while I take a little break?? ;) As the saying goes, "一山还有一山高"... I think your mountain could be higher than mine liao!

meatloaf

23-02-2009, 12:24 PM

all the masters and high hands converging here :D

great tips from all the senior bros

pussyman72

23-02-2009, 12:37 PM

To know a FL/WL, you'll need the very basic...$$$$$$$$
For them to even really notice you, you'll also need the very basic....$$$$$$
For them to really get close to you or to allow yourself to be shortlisted, you'll need to have the basic.......$$$$$$$$$$
Of cos, charisma etc follows..........
But to have $$$$ does not mean you be a damn bloody carrot head but spend only when necessary.

finally someone catch what i said again :D:)

if the ger want only handsome guys, there are many in their own country and speak their own language wtf they need someone who doesnt understand them, their culture, their language....

if the gers not looking for $$$ then why they come to sgp for? for fun??? kc trap have many ways not just the gers play even guys like us play the game with them.... in order to play them $$$ is involve dont tell me dont need to buy things for them, bring them out to eat n so on... this also consider as $$$ used on them...

it not a matter whether we are rich n can throw money at them... i dont wish to tell how we play the game. many of us have our own way to play the games with the WLs / FLs.... it how much we spend on them... some gers look far to see how much they can suck u and some ger will slaughter instantly after a few meet up..

If pple thinks it so easy to get WLs / FLs to crazy over u or so call kc them.. u are damn wrong... they are not as easy as we think they are... unless u manage to catch green horn who just started work even that they have old bird WLs ard teaching them what to do....

i also speaking from experience and I see with my own eyes how this girls KC the men while the men think they are smarter then them ... in the end the men got kc big time... how i know, the gers show it to me how they kc guys.... why they show me, i dont need to said more bcos of somethings that i have help them before n they treat me as a very good friend. Also telling me not to trust WLs / FLs gers...

anyway to each his own... just try not to be too smart think we can kc the WLs or FLs can liao... else the one being slaughter is the Guy.

Chook dee krup

Harvest

23-02-2009, 01:11 PM

Bro Harvest, i'm curious about something.
You mean you can KC a WL/FL in a sexual setting?
You mean you can KC them in sex????? Like the look in her eyes, how she looks at you etc etc?
I always tot the KC 99% happens away from bed??????
Sorry ah, no pun intended but like i posted earlier, have not slept yet so maybe mind already half screwed hehehehe

Bro DYBJ, in my opinion, YES. The basic principle of effective seduction is that it always happens at a subconscious level, when it is least expected catching the party unaware. It doesn't matter whether it is in bed or out of bed. We guys are generally seduced by LOOKS, while the girls are seduced by TOUCH and WORDS.... which can still take place in a sexual setting.

Harvest

23-02-2009, 01:30 PM

...

The golden rule we must all remember is this like the topic of this discussion:
Re: How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her

There is no right or wrong formula.
It's ever changing and evolving
Fuck and forget, good to use for newbies but lao jaio, they'll say waste time no kick! Well, I'll be the 1st.......F&F waste time(no offense to bros who live by this principle)

To KC and not be KCed only can require one skill, like it or not, accept it or not, but its the only way or else confirm kenna highway!
It's called, lies and deciet.
Why? Damn bastard rite????
Nope, to me it isnt.
How you make a gal fall in love wif you????
You say all those luvy dovy things, do all those luvy dovy things and you still dun get KCed or already kenna KC??????
Come on...dun gel rite
The only way is to be a Golden Horse Award winner and act all the way thru, in more uncensored terms, lie or cheat your way thru her heart......or else, how else can you not get KCed and play along and walk away unscathed?????
Make sense?????

Well, to me, it's all an act, an like i always preach they're all ghosts, and to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief...else, there's no other way to really come out of this without a single scratch.

Bro, technically speaking you are CORRECT. All these strategies I've been trying to refrain from talking about because I believe in something called KARMA. You see my signature u know what I mean. I will share a true story later on this...

EtherC

23-02-2009, 02:32 PM

Hmm what's this? Legend of the Chicken Shooting Heroes?

Harvest

23-02-2009, 02:55 PM

A Message To All Seniors in This KC Game

First, many thanks again to bros here who have supported this thread and contributed your share of experiences and insights, concerns and thoughts etc here. I truely appreciate it. :)

I would like to share a true story with all the Senior bros here... the highly-acclaimed lau jiaos of this KC game who have survived and thrived with their wealth of knowledge, track record and experiences... and whom I have my due respect for...

Long, long time ago... in a commercial sex galaxy far, far away... when SBF was just conceived in the old Delphi forum... I was a young apprentice in this KC game learning the ropes from a Master Rules Player. He was then a highly-regarded senior and honoured in the respectable Surpreme KC Jedi Council. He was the one who imparted me the 3 Rules of Engagement, and mentored me on the tricks of the KC game. He shared with me many advanced strategies to seduce the WLs both in bed and out of bed...and he became really a powerful KC Master at his prime. I've lost count how many WLs "died" under his spell while I was still struggling to master 10% of his skills. There seems to be nothing to stop him at all. His motto: Life is a daring KC adventure or nothing at all!

Then something happened.

As he became more and more powerful in his KC force, he became more and more PROUD of his achievements. He began to believe that he is INFALLABLE... like a GOD... then before he realised, he has already let his guard down and got smitten by a WL who was extremely ang pai at that time. To cut the story short, he began breaking all the RULES he had religiously observed... and ended up a very sad KC victim, to say the very least. Just like the U.S. sub-prime bubble that eventually burst, his ego was burst BIG TIME, and in his great disappointment he turned into a.... KC SITH LORD.

Ever since his new transformation, he cheats and swindles WLs for a LIVING. He lives for REVENGE... The last time I heard he was on the run from the law... and that was like some 3 years ago.

Why am I sharing this?

I'm NOT saying that anyone of you will end up in this extreme, but potentially, WE ALL CAN. With great powers come great responsibilities. The name of this KC game may be lotz of fun and thrill, but the consequence can be equally damaging... either you are the victim or the WL is the victim. And even if you are the biggest Victor today, you may be the saddest Victim tomorrow... what goes around, comes around. So don't take too much pride in your current achievements.

My advocate is therefore to KC the WL only for the purpose of a sexual activity (So it will not break Rule #3). Willing buyer, willing seller, but enhanced sexual experience without the emotional baggages.

Senior bros here may find this "no kick" so I regret I have to disappoint... but of course to each his own. :cool:

Thanks for your kind attention.

To be continued...

DO_YOU_BJ

23-02-2009, 04:20 PM

Bro harvest, good story, sigh....so true...so true.........
A Message To All Seniors in This KC Game[/U][/SIZE]

First, many thanks again to bros here who have supported this thread and contributed your share of experiences and insights, concerns and thoughts etc here. I truely appreciate it. :)

I would like to share a true story with all the Senior bros here... the highly-acclaimed lau jiaos of this KC game who have survived and thrived with their wealth of knowledge, track record and experiences... and whom I have my due respect for...

Long, long time ago... in a commercial sex galaxy far, far away... when SBF was just conceived in the old Delphi forum... I was a young apprentice in this KC game learning the ropes from a Master Rules Player. He was then a highly-regarded senior and honoured in the respectable Surpreme KC Jedi Council. He was the one who imparted me the 3 Rules of Engagement, and mentored me on the tricks of the KC game. He shared with me many advanced strategies to seduce the WLs both in bed and out of bed...and he became really a powerful KC Master at his prime. I've lost count how many WLs "died" under his spell while I was still struggling to master 10% of his skills. There seems to be nothing to stop him at all. His motto: Life is a daring KC adventure or nothing at all!

Then something happened.

As he became more and more powerful in his KC force, he became more and more PROUD of his achievements. He began to believe that he is INFALLABLE... like a GOD... then before he realised, he has already let his guard down and got smitten by a WL who was extremely ang pai at that time. To cut the story short, he began breaking all the RULES he had religiously observed... and ended up a very sad KC victim, to say the very least. Just like the U.S. sub-prime bubble that eventually burst, his ego was burst BIG TIME, and in his great disappointment he turned into a.... KC SITH LORD.
Sigh...sigh...sigh....really sounds like me, but again, many who knows my story will surely ask if i was KCed in the 1st place cos many knows both and knows both fell into this shit...so.......but i learned.........polished my skills and in no way, ever turned to the darkside of the force hehehehe

Ever since his new transformation, he cheats and swindles WLs for a LIVING. He lives for REVENGE... The last time I heard he was on the run from the law... and that was like some 3 years ago.
That's Y i said before and warned many who are in this, after one episode in your life, you'll change forever, some change for a more potent weapon, some turn to total implosion and will never be NORMAL again, like your master bro....sad...so sad for him......
Why am I sharing this?

I'm NOT saying that anyone of you will end up in this extreme, but potentially, WE ALL CAN. With great powers come great responsibilities. The name of this KC game may be lotz of fun and thrill, but the consequence can be equally damaging... either you are the victim or the WL is the victim. And even if you are the biggest Victor today, you may be the saddest Victim tomorrow... what goes around, comes around. So don't take too much pride in your current achievements.

My advocate is therefore to KC the WL only for the purpose of a sexual activity (So it will not break Rule #3). Willing buyer, willing seller, but enhanced sexual experience without the emotional baggages.

Senior bros here may find this "no kick" so I regret I have to disappoint... but of course to each his own. :cool:

Thanks for your kind attention.

To be continued...
As for the Karma part, yeah but retribution come in 2 stages, they do what they do for a living, thus you become their retribution.
How do you prevent karma....find the good souls and help them, i.e, charity work.......
You kill the bad but help the good and deserving.
This is something my sifu has taught me.
As we plough thru the nightscene, we pass thru many many WLs, though most are here wif motives, when we do find a gem, be their guardian angel.....
Example, like i've posted not too long ago, i know this singer, from Hunan...not a real looker but has a heart of gold........
My charity to her???? Always be her guiding light, be her shoulder to cry on and last, when she cannot hit her flower target at the end of the month, i'll top it up for her. Remember the one i posted that gave me a xmas present on Dec08? That one.
What i get in return????? Nothing...absolutely nothing......why you may ask? Carrot head some may call........we do bad, must also know how to do charity to balance it off........trust me, if you KC them WLs and help those who r really genuine, the feeling is damn great!
By this, you have already reached a level of play to decide who lives and who dies and who gets left alone!
By that, you would have already moved into the level of a PLAYER!
The kind that WLs/FLs warn each other to be very watchful of......

Optimus_Prime

23-02-2009, 05:09 PM

As he became more and more powerful in his KC force, he became more and more PROUD of his achievements. He began to believe that he is INFALLABLE... like a GOD... then before he realised, he has already let his guard down and got smitten by a WL who was extremely ang pai at that time. To cut the story short, he began breaking all the RULES he had religiously observed... and ended up a very sad KC victim, to say the very least.

My advocate is therefore to KC the WL only for the purpose of a sexual activity (So it will not break Rule #3). Willing buyer, willing seller, but enhanced sexual experience without the emotional baggages.

Which is why I always say "Never think you are smarter than these WLs".

As for playing the KC game, people play it for various reasons. Just remember, the law of alchemy. One transaction for another. Everything you take, you need to give back in equal part. (whether it be $, emotions or time)

It's a universal rule. There's NO having your cake and eating it too.

warbird

23-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Actually, not entirely true bro..............

To know a FL/WL, you'll need the very basic...$$$$$$$$...............
Of cos, charisma etc follows..........
But to have $$$$ does not mean you be a damn bloody carrot head but spend only when necessary.

.As u know, me play singers only................

I notice many men, will do everything to please these WL/FL...i'm so amazed..
Bros who cheong wif me will know, if mine throw tantrums, guarantee she'll be crying and silent the rest of the night........

I've known men who bot properties for them too....................................

It's called, lies and deciet.
Why? Damn bastard rite????
Nope, to me it isnt.
How you make a gal fall in love wif you????
You say all those luvy dovy things, do all those luvy dovy things and you still dun get KCed or already kenna KC??????
???.............................

Of course you're right, bro.

One needs to hang money to get to know these singers, anywhere from $200 to 2-3K a night, perhaps twice a week for a month or more. And if she likes the man n the karma is right, then one may own her body for a ST or longer term...for more money. With enough money, she may become one's wife/er nei/GF or whatever, even hv one's kids...n she may or may not be in love w/ him.

IMHO, it takes more than money to own her heart. In fact, no amount of money ALONE will do the trick becos falling in love happens at the subconscious level. In other words, she can't consciously choose whom she falls in love with.

Bro Warbird,

I have confidence that with your wealth of experience and good progress...

Why not u share with us your strategies and insights to this game while I take a little break?? ;) As the saying goes, "一山还有一山高"... I think your mountain could be higher than mine liao!

Hi bro Harvest,

I admire ur humility. Actually, I'm still a student of NLP n mind control. I practice these methods for self-improvement. Applying them to KC a WL/FL is of secondary importance to me, hehehe.

A Message To All Seniors in This KC Game
..................I would like to share a true story with all the Senior bros here.............................................. ...............................................
Thanks for your kind attention.
To be continued...

Thx for sharing this true story. We should never let our guard down when dealing w/ these FLs/WLs. They r masters of survival...

As for the Karma part, yeah but retribution come in 2 stages............................................ ........................
By that, you would have already moved into the level of a PLAYER!
The kind that WLs/FLs warn each other to be very watchful of......

Hi bro,

Great insights...thx a lot!

fee3fow

23-02-2009, 05:19 PM

"自古英雄难过美人关" Even KC masters will meet their demise one day :D

DO_YOU_BJ

23-02-2009, 05:20 PM

You're most welcome bro warbird, just sharing my very limited greenhorn knowledge that's all.....
Cheers

pussyman72

23-02-2009, 05:45 PM

well i seen and hear about so call masters who think they can kc the gers alot....

doesnt matter how exp we are... to each of us, we sure have one or twice get burn even we know the thing is coming or worst dont know...

im one example.. no matter how much i understand thai gers, still i get burn once awhile depending how serious it going to be...

i too have a friend who claim that he is the master knowing what the ger think and he always think he is so handsome that he can get a ger anytime... i warn him before but he turn a deaf ear why cos he was doing it too much even he himself fail to see the shit coming in.... he knows the shit but he was blinded...

in the end... he fall into the pit and the bros have to be there for him... after that he disappear.....

nevertheless it does not matter how exp we are. we still get burn is how we deal with it...

we can write alot said alot but in the end it up to the person how he wanna play this game if he keep his mind focus, he will be safe but if he is not then good luck to him cos after that i will keep hearing pple cursing the gers for cheating them......

which i always been stressing the pple who curse the gers for kcing them, did not realize they are the one thinking they can make the diff and they are the willing party who wants to clap hand with the ger. so why blame others when we ask to be kc...

every man wants to be a "hero" thinking they knows better then anyone and can deal with the gers, be the ger's hero but in actual fact everyone dont know what they are doing when the kcing become more serious till no point of returns......

just dont forget one thing.... we can be very experience in this kc games but when we get too cocky thinking we know all in no time the person get burn is us cos we think we know all... :cool:

Hulunbeier

23-02-2009, 08:54 PM

pussyman72

24-02-2009, 02:15 AM

since bros here wanna sure true life exp. i will share some of mines.

let me share on the story i just posted in the previous posting.

same Like bro harvest, i was in sammy delphi forum many yrs ago. got to know a team of cheongster and we have to parties playing diff area of thailand.

cut it short. there is this bro that always claim that his ger is the most ang pai in ktv. no1 in the work place... he always said that the ger love him very much. he been with this ger for 1 or 2 yrs something like that.

he always claim that he know the thai gers very well. knowing what they are thinking... he feed the ger, spending money repairing the ger's family house and provide her uni study...

at that time i was having my 2nd relationship with my thai gf n later got blue black...after that i wake up n when i went to see him. he was tell me about his ger. i told him better be careful u may not know whether she have a sugar daddy outside. well his answer to me is wont happen... said how his ger enjoy his sex. how good he give his ger the sex till she went crazy over him.. blah blah...

one day when i was in thailand. he call me when i was having my fark with another ger. told him to come up 15min later. when he is up. his hair was mess up and very very down... he not been sleeping for 2 days bcos his ger left him...

just imagine a guy who claim to be expert becomes a guy that i cannot even recognized. he think he have kc the ger in the end he got kc big time till he almost become crazy.... best thing the next few trip i came up n i was playing gogo gers, he tested my friendship using a WL.... when i not ard he go book the WL that im playing, offering the ger 5k baht...just to sleep with him....

he never fark the ger but was trying to play mind game with the ger. trying to see the ger really like me or not LOL when i got to know i fark him like fark cos he try to use a WL to test my friendship.... to me if u are willing to pay n the wl willing to go, im fine cos it anybody gers... unless the ger die die dont go... anyway to me the ger should take the money n go with him cos she is trying to earn a living...

anyway just imagine he got kc by a ger n he went bonkers after that.... his mind was not stable at all.....

pussyman72

24-02-2009, 02:32 AM

wanna KC WL without getting kc by WL.... letz face it there is no such things as guide...

wanna have fun use $$ or blend into them n play together. they just want money n u pay it. u understand them better just be like their friend it good enough....

so long they are comfortable u get what u want.... pussies... full stop... unless u wanna go further then that, then u are asking for trouble... the decision is at ur end n not the ger.

Ger can tell u alot of shit but if u choose not to believe then u are safe else u maybe in for trouble....

i still had to keep stressing this... if u enjoy the WL being with u... u can come back to see her another trip getting to know her better n carry on whatever u are doing with her... sex will still be great maybe u get more then what u get from ur previous trip... reason very ez they dont mind farking with regular that they are very comfortable with... full stop... unless u are an asshole trying to an ass to her then u can forget it...

if the relationship is getting to a lvl, u think u cannot handle worrying getting kc. back out and move on new one. only doing this u will not fall into kc trap...

else another way fark 3 to 4 times before changing new one..

i have a habit i love playing the same ger over n over again till we are in another lvl of relationship... u can call it she trying to kc me n i trying to kc her. what i want is she give me a better fark n pussy i want to see water when she enjoy. while she aiming at my pocket... then i start to play my stuns... not going to share too much on how i play.. not that im expert but i have my way of playing....i still get burn once awhile but that is my style of playing... never owe girl money no matter how they are here for money so dont cheat them. it a 2 way traffic dont eat meat n leave bones for her....

Harvest

24-02-2009, 01:53 PM

bigbigbig

24-02-2009, 01:56 PM

I think KC is a very tricky game. You never know when u kena KCed.....

BKnight

24-02-2009, 03:34 PM

KC is a very subjective words, if one is not willing to part with their money (even a tiny amount) than how to make friend, build repo and bonk them? Solely by good looks and charisma?..Can.. BUT only for a very short timeframe. end of the day, good looks cannot be used for credit card machine. Must remember also that WL are here to make money in a limited timeline, love is not their TOP agenda. When some bros ( no offend to bros) said KC by WL, I need to ask: at that moment when you parted with your money, IT DOES SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO (TO GET SOMETHING IN RETURN), CORRECT? YOU HAVE A CHOICE! YES or NO... IF NO WILLING PARTY THAN HOW TO KANNA CON AND EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE!

pussyman72

24-02-2009, 03:43 PM

When some bros ( no offend to bros) said KC by WL, I need to ask: at that moment when you parted with your money, IT DOES SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO (TO GET SOMETHING IN RETURN), CORRECT? YOU HAVE A CHOICE! YES or NO... IF NO WILLING PARTY THAN HOW TO KANNA CON AND EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE!

hehehe very good verry good. this bro understand the logic :D

kiko

24-02-2009, 03:51 PM

Bro pussyman72: u are here, i join u camp here!:D

BKnight

24-02-2009, 03:56 PM

hehehe very good verry good. this bro understand the logic :D

Thanks bro..Just want to make a point and to encourage more bros to cheong fearlessly, Happily but not blindly or emotionally...hahaha.

tiewleilowmei

24-02-2009, 04:05 PM

Bro pussyman72: u are here, i join u camp here!:D

Why??? Change target liao.... :eek: Now is trying to tag close to Bro pussyman72....

kiko

24-02-2009, 04:08 PM

As times passed, we will learn about all the WL tricks, and it be our turn to kc them!

BKnight

24-02-2009, 04:11 PM

Bros, can also read this thread

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/health-centre-ktv-lounge-tangos/116803-beware-u-victim.html

Educational with: Willing and Un-Willing, Willing At-1st but Regretted-At-Last contents...

Frankly once upon a time, we all also paid "school fees" and become a bit smarter..I am sure there will be continuing higher education with fees as the gals evolve and morph, so are we...Just be happy, have fun and bonk

pussyman72

24-02-2009, 04:57 PM

Bro pussyman72 u are here, i join u camp here!

lol no lar i just look see look see :D

Why??? Change target liao.... Now is trying to tag close to Bro pussyman72....

aye what u mean ah...... u mean bro kiko aiming me ah :confused: dont tell me he :eek::p

FL Lover

25-02-2009, 03:05 PM

Only 2 advice if you want to play KC...

1) Got $$, go for it... play yor KC and pay for it.

2) Got no $$... can also go for it if u r more high handed... worse come to worse... eat "soft rice" only mah. Its so common now in sg. See a few of cases whereby the boyfriends (somemore Singaporeans... Pui) fucking CB no $ nevermind, still dare to act big big in front of my ex-tirek and in the end when time to pay $$ for dinners or discos, tiam tiam.

So which one will u choose? KC but give $$ type. U do not owned the ger and vise versa OR KC but no $$ type... but lose yor diginity.

Want to play the game u obey the rules... REMB NO $ NO HONEY.

pussyman72

25-02-2009, 10:47 PM

2) Got no $$... can also go for it if u r more high handed... worse come to worse... eat "soft rice" only mah. Its so common now in sg. See a few of cases whereby the boyfriends (somemore Singaporeans... Pui) fucking CB no $ nevermind, still dare to act big big in front of my ex-tirek and in the end when time to pay $$ for dinners or discos, tiam tiam.[/B]

So which one will u choose? KC but give $$ type. U do not owned the ger and vise versa OR KC but no $$ type... but lose yor diginity.

Want to play the game u obey the rules... REMB NO $ NO HONEY.

lol that what i also feel bro. totally agree. dont be a guy with no dignity... in the end pple laugh at us saying buay gan.... just want to fark free but dont wanna come out even food, etc.... if i were the guy i go stick my cb head into the hole n dare not face friends or dont even dare to tell pple how ai sai im LOL

Liang.SanBo

26-02-2009, 07:13 AM

It all about No Money No Honey. No matter how Yantao you are or how good is you KC skill, do you think it will not work on FL?:rolleyes: Maybe?;):D

Money makes the world goes round. Money makes the world goes round....

GreenHorny

26-02-2009, 10:23 AM

Agreed with bros out here that money is the utmost important when KC with WLs.

WLs side of equation>>
Amount of KC = (money the bro willing to part to her)3 + yandaoness + how gd the bro in bed + possibilities of getting PRship thru that bro

dunno whether that make sense...

And How about our side of equation>>
Amount of KC = looks + figue + GFE + skills in bed - length of time she worked as WL + possibilities of a future with her - (money needed to spend on her)

Well, not sure, experienced bros out there, waiting for more inputs of variables..

123456a

26-02-2009, 10:36 AM

very good and informative thread. I've learn something here, tks.

Hulunbeier

26-02-2009, 01:09 PM

Yeah....As Experts hath pointed out

You first need $$$...and later still need $$$...afterall still need $$$
Well we hath oso written in other threads FOC = Fcuk On Credit right?

A small story....
My so called stupid horse coming back...
She was in the shit of HZ to meet some gal friends and so I chat with her for a while.
I asked her Ooi when your flight from SHai? She told me she call me next day ... told her not too..as I will call her....

It has been 2 days and the fking call is Powered Off! Nabe! Ha ha!
To those who have exp like this is only a norm.

Nothing wrong as I have gotten over it.....see less $$$ less priority....she still have Number1 Robertos to Number 12robertos to choose. A trip from Changi cost only $15 at most.

Gonna change to mate soon cause Ang Pai difficult to maintain...onli come to you for technical problems...like how to increase attractiveness....changes in Sing Immg rules...etc.

And Bro Altis...wanna tell u I will change horse to Minister Mistress soon if u r reading! Have fun!

Panamera

26-02-2009, 03:27 PM

This happened to me on Tuesday nite, I received a call from an ex-singer who went back to 重庆 last month….

PRC Singer: 我喝多了，我好想你!
Me: 为什么喝那么多呢?宝贝?
PRC Singer:好想你啊! 和朋友在一起玩，你有想我没?
Me: 喝多了，快点回家休息
PRC Singer:你想我没有?
Me: 别在喝了，快点回家睡觉
PRC Singer:我问你想我没有?
Me: 别在喝了，快点回家睡觉
PRC Singer: 我好想你! ,我要来新加坡看你
Me: 明天你酒醒再说吧..宝贝, 不说了,再不回家休息,你以后不用打给我了
PRC Singer: 那好吧，亲爱的!

I never replied that I missed her or Great! Please come to Singapore asap…To me once you are back to China, you chapter is close in my book for now..She might be truly misses me by calling me from China (calling out to Singapore, charges are expansive!) but it might be a trick-open question with a tail (Sponsor air-tickets etc..).

Anyway since she is not here in town, there is absolutely no benefit for me or whatsoever with her current state of mind (drunk or misses me). I don’t get to bonk her…it will only benefit her friends she is with (if it is a man), say more also wasting my time…but I will also not gonna burn my bridges with her because if and when she is here, I could still be her best best friend with bonks again…:p I am not heartless or bonking Singers FOC, I do treat them well and happy, (within my mean$$$$ and not splash mindlessly) when I'm with them, but please, no feelings on my part..it just for fun,fun and more fun and whatever money spent dont regret later. Isnt this the reason why we cheong?

xyz1001

26-02-2009, 03:47 PM

To KC and not be KCed only can require one skill, like it or not, accept it or not, but its the only way or else confirm kenna highway!
It's called, lies and deciet.
Why? Damn bastard rite????
Nope, to me it isnt.
How you make a gal fall in love wif you????
You say all those luvy dovy things, do all those luvy dovy things and you still dun get KCed or already kenna KC??????
Come on...dun gel rite
The only way is to be a Golden Horse Award winner and act all the way thru, in more uncensored terms, lie or cheat your way thru her heart......or else, how else can you not get KCed and play along and walk away unscathed?????
Make sense?????

Well, to me, it's all an act, an like i always preach they're all ghosts, and to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief...else, there's no other way to really come out of this without a single scratch.

Hahaha... That's why i'm still practising my acting skills. :D

Fishcer

26-02-2009, 04:20 PM

Dun mind me just say a few words here hor, TS...

To all those who r not financially strong, n hoping to find some pointers here to KC these WLs, pls don't bother. No matter how gd u r, u will still need the $$$...i m impressed with Bro DYBJ, n respect him for all his insights/advice/opinions, but i m sure he has a certain financial standing before he can embark on such games.

For those who r financially equipped for such games, yes, pls do carry on using all the pointers u can find here, but again, i always say it depends on finding the right person for the game to start, n also for u to njoy it.

Many many words r embedded in me, but i find no need to say more here, as the advice given by all othrs, especially Bro DYBJ, TS, Collins etc is more than sufficient, but to all those KC players, pls do remind urself dat no 1 gal is the same, only the game rules remain the same, n dat will only happen if ur mental stability and common sense remains the same.

All in all, kudos to the TS for starting this thread, kudos to all the othr bros for chipping in...Cheers!!

P.S : Just a small point on my part...actually, i find dat if u play the KC game with a gal, n u totally dun get KC-ed by her even 1 little bit...the game bcomes meaningless n non-enjoyable...call me mad...but i still prefer to get a little KC-ed by her...of course not to the extent dat u cannot get out...:p

slider_72

26-02-2009, 05:09 PM

BKnight

26-02-2009, 05:34 PM

Hahahahaha. This sounds so damned familiar.

There would be times I get smses like these from this girl I know when she supposedly have had a bit too much to drink. She would tell me that she is a bit drunk already, and that she misses me so much and how nice it would be if we can cuddle now, etc...

During those times when she is supposedly at home and sober, the smses would be the usual chit chat and bantering type, without the mussy mussy I-miss-you kind of stuff.

She is back at her home town in China by the way.

Bro, thats why we love them deep deep ......:D

Fishcer

26-02-2009, 07:07 PM

Bro, thats why we love them deep deep ......:D

Dunno abt u guys...basically i just love it when i can drill them deep deep :D

colins

26-02-2009, 08:13 PM

Dunno abt u guys...basically i just love it when i can drill them deep deep :D

HAHAHAHAHA..... what the hell does love them deep deep means anyway? hahahah....

kiko

26-02-2009, 08:17 PM

To me, love a person deep deep means , u put in every effort to love this person without any condition. And also to love this person with all heart and soul!:)

colins

26-02-2009, 08:25 PM

To me, love a person deep deep means , u put in every effort to love this person without any condition. And also to love this person with all heart and soul!:)

What's the difference between "deep", "deep deep" or even "deep deep deep"?
I'm beginning to sound like a pager....

kiko

26-02-2009, 08:30 PM

No matter is deep deep , or very deep deep deep. It come back to the same word LOVE. LOVE is all about trust, commitment, understanding and communication. As a couple willing to do anything for each other, no matter where we are, we shall never be apart!:)

SammyHulk

26-02-2009, 08:43 PM

Nice NLP techniques bro. ;):D

colins

26-02-2009, 08:44 PM

HCKing

26-02-2009, 09:14 PM

Then why say "deep deep" and not just "deep" or emphasize it like "deep deep deep"?

'deep deep', 'cute cute', 'sweet sweet' all these r girls style of expression. hope this helps.:)

tanterry

26-02-2009, 09:15 PM

Then why say "deep deep" and not just "deep" or emphasize it like "deep deep deep"?

Maybe he forget to take note that there are things called deeper & deepest during school days:p

"deep deep" emphasizes to go deeper. So how to out do you? Use "deep deep deep":D

colins

26-02-2009, 09:23 PM

Maybe he forget to take note that there are things called deeper & deepest during school days:p

"deep deep" emphasizes to go deeper. So how to out do you? Use "deep deep deep":D

I thought he is an accountant. But alas, he can't even differentiate between 1 deep, 2 deeps and 3 deeps.

LostALau

26-02-2009, 10:20 PM

TS has given a lot of good info for new cheongster to follow as guideline. My opinion is, if u do not want to be KCed by the WL, then why bother to KC them in the first place.

If u have successfully KCed them and won their hearts and then throw them away, it is like trying to cheat someone of their emotion and hurt them.

My method is simply.....visit a WL for the purpose of visiting. Treat them nice and with respect. Make the session an enjoyable one for both. Then pay your due and say goodbye. If u feel that the experience is worth repeating, by all means RTF, then accomplish your mission and pay and say goodbye.

Never promise anything more or give them false hope. Never shortchange them. Pay them each them u use their service. If u feel generous, give some tips and stop at that.

If u like, continue your RTC until one day when she starts to KC u and ask for loan or more money. Then it is time for you to consider calling it a day. My two cent worth based on my decades of cheonging. So far so good.

Always remember that we can have only one gf or wife but countless number of WLs. If u fall into the trap, u will be breaking the golden rule of just having one wife and end up with two tigresses in your nest. You can imagine the consequence.

colins

26-02-2009, 10:39 PM

The thing about visiting WL/FL is that the feeling always tend to be personal. I mean yes you can say there are thousands of WLs out there but you can only do one at one time (well minus groupies lovers la). If sex to you is a personal thing, it is an act to satisfy something you seek, perhaps even something you lost. So in the end, it is the original reason of why you want or need to visit WLs/FLs that determines whether you will be KC-ed, or not.

Put it the other way round and I am sure many bros also have this experience. If you deemed sex as impersonal, the only reason for you to RTF is becos you want to play with this 'toy' again. Then sooner or later, you will get sick of it and throw it aside. This is a proper closure to a good bonk. But if you find yourself getting more and more willing to RTF, something is wrong liao. And you know what that means dude.

So your attitude towards sex being personal or impersonal is a good check of whether you're going in to satisfy your emotion or your body need. Emotions can never be satis-ed and will build on you to form addiction and reliance.

slider_72

27-02-2009, 10:08 AM

I mean yes you can say there are thousands of WLs out there but you can only do one at one time (well minus groupies lovers la).

Ahhhh.... bro, you must try the pleasures of shuangfei or sanfei one of these days. Not my personal favourite but can be quite an interesting experience. :D

pussyman72

28-02-2009, 12:12 AM

Ahhhh.... bro, you must try the pleasures of shuangfei or sanfei one of these days. Not my personal favourite but can be quite an interesting experience.

:eek::eek:: tama!!!!! lo wah u said shuangfei i wake up lei bro lol. i miss 2 v 1 last time i in thailand i always shuangfei in apnam and booking over nite LOL

wanted to try mass orgy knn go to SV area found one shop that can do mass orgy but lei knn gers there see liao cannot stand :(

planning to go on march to do shuang fei again not going to tell my gf i coming. going to off phone for 3 days n enjoy my bonks LOL :D

colins

28-02-2009, 04:12 AM

Ahhhh.... bro, you must try the pleasures of shuangfei or sanfei one of these days. Not my personal favourite but can be quite an interesting experience. :D

Did that in a parlour in xiamen. After that still went to the beach side 站街 for dabao. But you know what I mean...haha ;)

ekemono

28-02-2009, 06:44 AM

you guys are damm power :D
I can't imagine myself bonking 2 gals on the same session. Must be spoiled for choice on kama sutra.
Mmmmm, i am missing out alot in life :p

warbird

02-03-2009, 09:15 AM

OUT OF BED KC STRATEGIES

Some bros have highlighted that there is a need to KC the WL in a non-sexual setting esp for FL/KTV gals. Granted. But a gentle reminder is that you must be always ready to PULL HANDBRAKE when the alarm bell rings! For me, I'll only use it if I still want to RTF so in order not to break Rule #3... Here are some basic tips for survival:

...........................................To be Continued...

Hi bro Harvest,

I appreciate that u r sharing some of ur strategies n hope that u would continue.

I realize that ur topic "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" is very controversial n a very risky endeavor n may not sit well w/ some senior bros here. However, this being a forum n in the spirit of sharing, u should consider continuing ur instalments...n let's debate the various issues later.

I just like to give my 2 cents.

No matter how experienced w/ WLs/FLs n non-WLs we are, n regardless of what rules n safequards we use, none of us r immune to being KC-ed by them, meaning we still may fall madly in love w/ them. For many of us, if we play the game long enough, we will kena caught, eventually. The results could be catastrophic...

The reason is simple. Attraction (and falling in love w/ someone) is not a choice. It happens at the subconscious level. It applies to both sexes.

For some, one meeting is enough to seal the fate. I guess it's love at first sight or kena gong tao, to use the local Hokkien parlance. But w/ follow-ups or RTFs, the risks increase exponentially.

It happened to me 2 1/2 yrs ago when I re-entered the FL/WL scene after many yrs of hiatus.

To cut a long story short, I fell madly in love for a very young PRC MM, a FL, something I thought would never ever happen to me. At one point, I was seriously thinking of giving up my business/career in Gotham City, my family, my parents, etc. n move to China to take care of her...:eek: I had enough money to live very comfortably w/ her indefinitely. I sincerely believe that she was also in love w/ me, although I can't be 100% sure. I was hesitant n later got cold feet becos I was much more than twice her age...n in the end I had to renege on my promises, she was devastated...n cut off all ctc w/ me. It took me almost a full yr to recover.:( I still think of her occasionally n feel that I still owe her something.

So be careful, bros.

Good day!!

aczeta76

04-03-2009, 06:20 PM

Now is KC a good thing or not..

Many bros have given their take and I guess most of us will agree that we need to stop at "Promises"

Pillow talk is fine and we all do that esp after the deed but to go deeper requires committment and determination on both sides

Been there and was burnt too as I forgot that it has to be mutual "real" feelings... Now, I just treat them as friends and provide no promises of any future together in any way other than a friend.

Granted, I still get lost sometimes so that is why I am cutting down seeing new babes..:p

Anyway, I always remind myself that like warbird said, I am no longer that fella who came out of NS, fit and strong and full of vigor...

While I dun feel the strain yet, it will be a matter of time and Y would a young attractive girl chose me over others close to their age?

Friendship is so much simplier... juz that so long after I make clear my feelings that I like them, I can close the chapter since my piece is said... I require no reply as it is rhetorical ...

Yes, we can provide a life of plentitude or at least sufficient luxury for them but if they love us for that then it is ....

Age is a barrier, regardless how you look at it...

So for now, I think I will be on the run again to avoid someone so that I will not get into issues again...

KC is a double edge sword... used honorably, they make you good FBs and friends, used the other way... god have mercy on you

groo

04-03-2009, 09:14 PM

...HOMEWORK
....1. Find a quiet place (Eg in your own bedroom) and close you eyes
....2. Visualize at the back of your mind your sexual encounter with your target
....3. Now this step may be slightly more difficult but if you've watched enough voyeur porn it should be easy
....4. Now continue to picture this customer leaving her room
....5. Take your time to go thru this whole mental sequence at least twice if time permits..Bro-Harvest, you amaze me! You actually used the Visualisation Theory for Optimum Learning into Visualisation Theory for Optimum Prevention of KC Trap! :D

Thank you. I'm here for the ride and i'm sure it's gonna be a hell of a great one! :p

Cheers! :D

marlborotan

04-03-2009, 09:27 PM

tama!!!!! lo wah u said shuangfei i wake up lei bro lol. i miss 2 v 1 last time i in thailand i always shuangfei in apnam and booking over nite LOL

Does it remind you of the 50 ...... kee kee

Now is KC a good thing or not..

Many bros have given their take and I guess most of us will agree that we need to stop at "Promises"

Agreed with the advise bros posted here. But sometimes it easy say than done loh. sign.....

TS, tks for all the effort.

FL Lover

05-03-2009, 11:22 AM

KC KTV gers or WLs without been KCed by them? .....

Is this a joke or what?!!..... There is no such things as KC but not KCed by the gers. It is just a matter of time before you fall into the trap.

Always remb. We MEN are very WEAK creatures. When the right time, the right GIRL, the right feelings come, there is no way or very hard to resist the feelings. Sure there is always our BIG head to tell us when to stop or even yor buddies to help u along the way. How many of us managed to do that without geting burnt?

Stop wasting yor time to KC girls unless you are taking that as a challenge. I really dont understand why TS wants to do that when most of us are trying to get away from all these KC traps.

If you think that you are the only one having this idea of KCing the girls I can 100% tell you that those girls are also thinking the same as you.

Just PAY FUCK AND FORGET would save you alot of troubles later.

arpeggi

08-03-2009, 02:53 PM

warbird

09-03-2009, 03:05 AM

KC KTV gers or WLs without been KCed by them? .....

Is this a joke or what?!!.....

Just PAY FUCK AND FORGET would save you alot of trI fell madly in love for a very young PRC MM, a FL, something I thought would never ever happen to meoubles later.[/B]

Hi bro FL Lover,

The problem is that attraction or falling in love w/ someone is not a choice. It happens at the subconscious level...

"Just pay fxxk n forget" is not enough to prevent one from getting KC-ed by the "right" gal if one is fortunate (or unfortunate) to meet her. It has happened to me. See my post above: "...I fell madly in love for a very young PRC MM, a FL, something I thought would never ever happen to me..." I had not seen her for several days after the first meeting n I was ready to leave...n then she sent me a fateful text msg...

No one is immune, bro.

Cheers!

ronckw

09-03-2009, 11:08 AM

i have been following this thread as it is very interesting on the view the TS & the rest of the bros here have...

Its valuable advise but seems quite hard to not get entraped.

I still believe its possible but it will only work if that person is mentally strong...as in the big head....

If a person is mentally weak & lets emotions get the better of the logical thinking...i tink KC will happen to anyone anytime without evening knowing like indicated earlier....

Overall...good to read to know & if possible use it from time to time at a basic level....if fall in too deep...hard to climb out....

Thanks to TS for the info....:)

hoosdathu

09-03-2009, 01:01 PM

certified good thread :)

voydoy

09-03-2009, 06:28 PM

lexus3rx

09-03-2009, 07:02 PM

Interesting read...

IMHO, there is no way 2 prevent being KC, unless u r a cold heartless creature. Wat u get from the girls r feelings n actions tat I dare say u can never get in the "real" world wif a non WL/FL.

Panamera

09-03-2009, 07:08 PM

Speaking from own experience, many at times, I warned myself to be careful, tried to do $ damage control, be careful of traps or sweet offerings...and yet..as long as I am a willing party to play this game..I can avoid few cases but not 100% foolproof because we are creatures with emotions...too many restriction, deep thoughts on how to proceed on next step, not to fall into traps,,,, etc. does kills the joy and adds stress to oneself unnecessary sometimes...Total Foolproof Solution? I doubt there is any, unless you quit this game completely and be a good family man.

Just be careful and based on one's own judgement and experience and of cos, all the bros posting in this forum does help a lot...It is difficult and subjective to say kanna con or what, when relationship over, because "at that moment in time" it always does seems like "a best choice or decision" - A willing party, we are....:D

Some bros will post here asking for advice -to marry her or to send money or not...but 99% of the time, you have already decided on what to do, you just need the 1% positive motivation to make you feel better...Whatever bros advise here, you will not accept them because you will think that "THESE WONT HAPPEN TO ME" or "I AM NOT SO STUPID"....all it take for you is just 1 POSTING SAY ITS A GOOD DECISION, GO AHEAD..You will jump into it without looking back till many months later....:D

colins

09-03-2009, 07:12 PM

hi .. i am a obvious noob here.. recently got hooked to wl in lorong 6 ... she`s a syt and the first few bonks were commercial transcations, till one time i told her i wanna ons her and she gave me her number.
. since then she keep calling me and sms me that she miss me..

Seriously. i tot of going to thailand to spend some time with her when she goes back .. but i`m not sure whether both of us have any future ...

i think i am in a love curse .. as my bonks for this year increase a lot ... wanna cut down but when always think of sex i will go geyland to find her.. and she`s very innocent in terms like she wont ask for tips. got one time i bought her chocolate and she said she like it very much

any brothers/ experts help ?

You should probably check whether there are any change in your life, esp in the area of emotions i.e more stressful, more outings with friends, more dirty habits, etc. Your love curse is only a reliance, it is not that when you think of sex you think about her, it is when you think about her you wanna go find her but the only thing you could do is to have sex with her.

If you start wondering if there is a future with a WL, then bro, you are fucked. Yes, thinking about it means black hawk down liao. People need to go into the war zone and pull you out of the wreck liao. This is the nature progression of KC thru self-KC, the moth going for the fire to 'light up' his life.

Take care and hold on to the ride man.;)

BKnight

09-03-2009, 07:28 PM

ekemono

09-03-2009, 08:49 PM

she`s very innocent in terms like she wont ask for tips. got one time i bought her chocolate and she said she like it very much

any brothers/ experts help ?

have you heard of the chinese saying : "not the fierce dragon wont cross the river".

She travel all the way to SG with an innocent mentality? She can eat you up for breakfast you also dun know.

voydoy

09-03-2009, 09:18 PM

Please spend 1 week in Bangkok and hope it will change your view..Tons of SYT there not WL but OL .....:D

BTW, have you eaten or drank anything from her???? I just wonder.....:D

Brother .. yeah .. her room got a fridge, got one times when i bonked her the weather is hot , so i got the mineral water from her ( haven`t open ) and of course drink it

Eating = no ...

But this girl seems to be always on my mind... shit leh .. i used to be a player too.. now jialat.. bonking on her only increased so much this year..

voydoy

09-03-2009, 09:31 PM

Your love curse is only a reliance, it is not that when you think of sex you think about her, it is when you think about her you wanna go find her but the only thing you could do is to have sex with her. -- Yup but the gf feeling she gave me is 100%.. and she always say that she like me alot and miss me ..

If you start wondering if there is a future with a WL, then bro, you are fucked. <-- the reason why i think like this , is that she really gives me the feeling of being with her for my rest of my life... How to 4get her.. <-- i hope my work schedule will get me busy and 4get her..

Overall , Brother Collin ! thanks for the precious worth! Maybe i played too much feelings into her . i will try to be a better thinking samster these days ..

BKnight

09-03-2009, 09:36 PM

Brother .. yeah .. her room got a fridge, got one times when i bonked her the weather is hot , so i got the mineral water from her ( haven`t open ) and of course drink it

Eating = no ...

But this girl seems to be always on my mind... shit leh .. i used to be a player too.. now jialat.. bonking on her only increased so much this year..

Bro, I just pulling your leg la..But on a serious note - I think its more lust than love la. Thread carefully la....

fee3fow

09-03-2009, 10:35 PM

colins

10-03-2009, 01:52 AM

If you start wondering if there is a future with a WL, then bro, you are fucked. <-- the reason why i think like this , is that she really gives me the feeling of being with her for my rest of my life... How to 4get her.. <-- i hope my work schedule will get me busy and 4get her..

For the rest of your life uh...many ways of explaining this but the most common reason is, she possesses character traits similar to your mum. Anyway, you kenna KC-ed already, of cos you would want to spend your life with her. Where got say I kenna KC-ed but I only want to bonk her 2 more times?

Work schedule...come on, that is escape. You know it yourself, the more you engage into work, the more you stress, the more you want her. You are like, giving yourself one excuse to forget this KC issue. Then when you cannot tahan and meet her again, start to tell yourself yeah la I really miss her, miss her go see her cannot meh kinda bullshit. Everytime you promise yourself something, if you cannot handle it, dun anyhow promise. Cos the more you let yourself down, the more you become ill disciplined to get yourself out of this fix.

warbird

10-03-2009, 02:11 AM

ya "不是猛龙不过江" even if they are really innocent girls when they first step on our island, a few weeks at GL will have change them tremendously. Even some of our most veteran cheongsters in their 50s or 60s are getting eaten up by them THINK carefully before you make any big decisions :D

You're right bro fee3fow,

I love Chinese idioms.

"不是猛龙不过江"

"不是猛虎不下山"

Those foreign gals who come to SGP to work as WLs/FLS or in legal houses, HCs, KTVs n HFJs, etc. may be young, 18-23, but they are battle-tested, mentally tough n experienced professionals. Even veteran bros here are no match for them.

Most of them are masters of survival in a dog-eat-dog world. They are fast learners n often form cohesive groups n share info, strategies, pointers, ctc, etc. Their goal: Making the most money in the shortest possible time.

Goodnight!

DO_YOU_BJ

10-03-2009, 09:08 AM

You're right bro fee3fow,
Even veteran bros here are no match for them.

Most of them are masters of survival in a dog-eat-dog world. They are fast learners n often form cohesive groups n share info, strategies, pointers, ctc, etc. Their goal: Making the most money in the shortest possible time.

Well said bro, the minute you let your guard down, THAT'S IT!
Now that the financial crisis hits globally, the number of PRC MMs coming over also reducing liao, thus the demand and supply equilibrium will be tilted for sure and more SAVAGE means are expected to surface to get guys KCed to fill their pockets.......so guys, be very alert......on radar, on satellite, on surface to air, on air to air, on air to ground missiles........full battle readiness required!

aczeta76

10-03-2009, 10:05 AM

Well said bro, the minute you let your guard down, THAT'S IT!
Now that the financial crisis hits globally, the number of PRC MMs coming over also reducing liao, thus the demand and supply equilibrium will be tilted for sure and more SAVAGE means are expected to surface to get guys KCed to fill their pockets.......so guys, be very alert......on radar, on satellite, on surface to air, on air to air, on air to ground missiles........full battle readiness required!

Ya.. that's why I retreat and go hide...Defences low...:p

Seriously, bros muz learn to segregate pillow talk... sweet nothings that they usually hear from their GF and the words of the FLs/WLs.

Like many have said, this is their way of surviving... The Wall for defence and their nectar-filled words to attack your emotions.

Wat is impt... One who is able to walk away from the r/s much the same, perhaps wiser...

Enjoy the sweet moments but remember the harsh reality.

hahaha... watching the matrix and this kinda reminds me of it...

The matrix is the WL who creates a world of fantasy for you... but dun forget the real world out there:rolleyes:

slider_72

10-03-2009, 10:06 AM

For the rest of your life uh...many ways of explaining this but the most common reason is, she possesses character traits similar to your mum.

Hahaha. This is cool bro. Probably the best reason offered why we kanna KCed.

HCKing

10-03-2009, 10:06 AM

Brother .. yeah .. her room got a fridge, got one times when i bonked her the weather is hot , so i got the mineral water from her ( haven`t open ) and of course drink it

Eating = no ...

But this girl seems to be always on my mind... shit leh .. i used to be a player too.. now jialat.. bonking on her only increased so much this year..

bro yr story rings a bell. u can read the other threads in this section. there r alot of useful materials there for yr reference. hope yr small head wont overrule yr big head this time. rem, when it comes to KC game, either u r a player, or u r suckered!!:eek:

HCKing

10-03-2009, 10:10 AM

Ya.. that's why I retreat and go hide...Defences low...:p

Seriously, bros muz learn to segregate pillow talk... sweet nothings that they usually hear from their GF and the words of the FLs/WLs.

Like many have said, this is their way of surviving... The Wall for defence and their nectar-filled words to attack your emotions.

Wat is impt... One who is able to walk away from the r/s much the same, perhaps wiser...

Enjoy the sweet moments but remember the harsh reality.

hahaha... watching the matrix and this kinda reminds me of it...

The matrix is the WL who creates a world of fantasy for you... but dun forget the real world out there:rolleyes:

there is this saying in chinese - ' wen rou siang ( maiden's home ) is a hero's grave '

the real world is harsh and cold, the KC world is warm and lovey. given a choice btw the 2 of cos i would choose the latter:p but provided that it is the REAL world.

voydoy

10-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Everytime you promise yourself something, if you cannot handle it, dun anyhow promise. Cos the more you let yourself down, the more you become ill disciplined to get yourself out of this fix.

Brother Collin .. Thanks for the advice.. Seriously , i have learn a lot from a lot of seniors from this forum to tackle the problems i facing now .. Looks like i will have to discipline myself from rtfing her.. and i will MOVE ON to other hot chicks out there.

aczeta

10-03-2009, 01:17 PM

there is this saying in chinese - ' wen rou siang ( maiden's home ) is a hero's grave '

the real world is harsh and cold, the KC world is warm and lovey. given a choice btw the 2 of cos i would choose the latter:p but provided that it is the REAL world.

温柔乡，英雄冢

Quite true... Uncle me have seen much...

Simple advice:

Dun put your heart into it unless you are prepared to lose
it...

An FL's world is not something that we can easily fathom...or should try to fathom..

pussyman72

11-03-2009, 04:45 AM

Simple advice:

Dun put your heart into it unless you are prepared to lose
it...

An FL's world is not something that we can easily fathom...or should try to fathom..

very good and simple advice ;):)

1HILLDUDE

11-03-2009, 04:50 AM

Refer to suteerak for advice.

cablesnwires

11-03-2009, 08:56 AM

aczeta76 = aczeta?

clone? :confused:

DRSG

11-03-2009, 09:33 AM

If Fls can read this section their reaction would be SG men got 'bo chee' 'bo dah' 'bo lumpah'.

aczeta76

11-03-2009, 09:40 AM

DRSG...

SG take calculated risk... and know how to play safe lah...

U go read the PRC man's blog in cyber then u will see more of such things compared to us...

pussyman72

11-03-2009, 01:43 PM

DRSG...

SG take calculated risk... and know how to play safe lah....

lol think this word had to take back... many sgp men think they very ai sai very wu $$$ and think they very smart can out smart working gers in the end eat shit... :)

That day i was in GM with my friends and saw a bunch of young green horn go there and take dinner with the chicks... can see their eyes glowing as if they got gold like that.... :rolleyes:

FL Lover

12-03-2009, 11:59 AM

Avoiding KCed by FLs and yet still want to play the game.... Hard lah...

Anyway we have been looking at the bad side, let us look at the good side...

Now economy so bad, I encouraged more BROS to get KCed...Hands up and Legs UP. U get KCED by them, U spent $$ on HOTEL, FOOD, SHOPPING STUFFS AND HIV TEST (for those who raw)... Helps to get the $$ circulate.

If everyone keep the $$ in their PIG PIG Bank, how to get $$ going? So indirectly the FLs are helping us to keep the SG economy alive. U HAPPY, OUR PAPPY GOVERNMENT HAPPY... Not a bad thing afterall to get KCed....

End of the day, u want play the game and still want to avoid the KC thing, dont think so much... Just make sure yor pocket is not BURNT and YOUR BANK is not EMPTY, OK LIAO.

phallusman

15-03-2009, 01:16 PM

Hey Bros here, wanna to know why these WL are so darn smart, with great techniques in bed, in handling their customers and BF and so forth?

They discus and share info and learn from their elder sisters and from each other while they are in their dorm, before they sleep, while they wash clothes, make up and so forth. They have plenty of time together in their dorm, literally talking cock.

phallusman

15-03-2009, 01:38 PM

Hey Bros here, wanna to know why these WL are so darn smart, with great techniques in bed, in handling their customers and BF and so forth?

They discuss and share info and learn from their elder sisters and from each other while they are in their dorm, before they sleep, while they wash clothes, make up and so forth. They have plenty of time together in their dorm, literally talking cock.

And they love to compare their BF - mine drives a BMW, young and handsome, got lots of money to spend, bought me a diamond pendant, brought me to Sentosa, went to a 6* hotel for makan, etc......

Panamera

15-03-2009, 01:44 PM

And they love to compare their BF - mine drives a BMW, young and handsome, got lots of money to spend, bought me a diamond pendant, brought me to Sentosa, went to a 6* hotel for makan, etc......

Not forgetting working on strategies on how to squeeze us dry in maximum quick time..

But

Fear not, we have our arsenal of ammo and think-tank tactical teams here in SBF too!!!! :D

groo

17-03-2009, 04:32 AM

温柔乡，英雄冢Bro HCKing's chinese saying "Wen rou siang (maiden's home) is a hero's grave" literally translates into 温柔乡是英雄的坟墓！ :D

Jedi

18-03-2009, 01:44 PM

The problem of being KC, is when you are in it you do not know is it the real thing so called real love (Is there one ) or just plain acting by them.
Thou we know very well their objective of coming here is usually money and smaller extent because of failed relationship.

Have a fren, to me he is KC big time.
1. He would tell us that his girl will share drinks with him, (I told him read in SBF raw also can)
2. When she has PMS, she will throw tantrum, anger at him. But to him she is showing the true self.
3. Every day she will sms kam tong message like, have u eaten blah, must not skip meal, jia you, blah blah
4. Every outing will end up a shopping trip
5. When she is in China, will tell him he is the only one who has her HP No.
6. Give him her QQ blog to access
7. Once I ask him screw already, he said hug & kiss also bo only hold hand

I ask WTF what are you looking for, Answer is simple
A boy girl type of relationahip must take time , i told him i got nothing to say

DO_YOU_BJ

18-03-2009, 03:39 PM

i told him i got nothing to say

Just bring some holy water, A PAIL LOAD and splash it on his face......
He may be upset but just say one day he'll thank you.....

You friend is fucked...buy the popcorn, enjoy the show, dig your ears cos someone will come crying to u soon if you're unlucky.......
If you're lucky, he'll have no face to face u and disappear into the darkness once that day comes

Jedi

18-03-2009, 05:13 PM

Just bring some holy water, A PAIL LOAD and splash it on his face......
He may be upset but just say one day he'll thank you.....

You friend is fucked...buy the popcorn, enjoy the show, dig your ears cos someone will come crying to u soon if you're unlucky.......
If you're lucky, he'll have no face to face u and disappear into the darkness once that day comes

No way of helping have to let him crash to the wall bleed some blood
We will end up in K box many nites and let him sing solo.:(

groo

18-03-2009, 07:02 PM

Just bring some holy water, A PAIL LOAD and splash it on his face.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D
Chio Kah Peng!!! :D

cunt_search

18-03-2009, 07:08 PM

dis playground is not for the weak at heart
u either have lotsa $$$ to burn
or lotsa of steel nerves to withstand the heartache that come with the PRC KCing:cool:

Panamera

18-03-2009, 07:25 PM

A boy girl type of relationahip must take time , i told him i got nothing to say

A normal B/G relationship takes time and effort..but his type of B/G relationship only need time and effort to spend $$$ and more $$$..

He kanna the Man-Eater Fox demon, only Fusion Magic can cure him now

Fusion Magic Water: Holy water + Fu ("符") water. Do not let him drink alcohol for 3 months....

HCKing

18-03-2009, 11:02 PM

Bro HCKing's chinese saying "Wen rou siang (maiden's home) is a hero's grave" literally translates into 温柔乡是英雄的坟墓！ :D

yes bro, guess the original ancient writer of this chinese saying certainly knws alot abt PRC woman's KC antics. in fact, the history of PRC woman's KC trap can even be traced way back to the 春秋 war time era of ancient china. here is the famous classic KC trap during that era on hw 西施 KC 吳王 and caused the downfall of the 吳 empire.:rolleyes:

?? - ???????????? (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E6%96%BD)

Panamera

18-03-2009, 11:30 PM

yes bro, guess the original ancient writer of this chinese saying certainly knws alot abt PRC woman's KC antics. in fact, the history of PRC woman's KC trap can even be traced way back to the 春秋 war time era of ancient china. here is the famous classic KC trap during that era on hw 西施 KC 吳王 and caused the downfall of the 吳 empire.:rolleyes:

?? - ???????????? (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E6%96%BD)

Another epic PRC Beauty KC antics was during The Battle of Red Cliff (赤壁) Zhou Yu's wife Xiao Qiao headed towards Cao Cao's camp alone secretly and distracted Cao Cao and secured ample time for the Eastern Wu forces for a surprise attack which eventually put Cao Cao at the mercy of the allied forces instead....

According to a Singapore Historian from the Institue of Ancient Sex Academy, Cao Cao suffered a Double Blow defeats:

1) Lost a decisive battle which would eliminate the southern warlords Sun Quan and Liu Bei

2) Missed a "Fark of the Century" with Xiao Qiao

This double blow led to a deterioration of his migraine headache in which he chopped off the head of Hua Tuo (华陀) in a spur of insanity in year 208..:D..

Many China historians are disbuting this Singapore historian findings and will probably chop off his head too.....:p

HCKing

18-03-2009, 11:39 PM

According to a Singapore Historian from the Institue of Ancient Sex Academy, Cao Cao suffered a Double Blow defeats:

1) Lost a decisive battle which would eliminate the southern warlords Sun Quan and Liu Bei

2) Missed a "Fark of the Century" with Xiao Qiao

i suppose the later is a much bigger blow to cao cao. hahaha.:D

groo

19-03-2009, 06:33 AM

...1) Lost a decisive battle...2) Missed a "Fark of the Century" with Xiao Qiao...double blow led to a deterioration of his migraine headache in which he chopped off the head of Hua Tuo (华陀) in a spur of insanity in year 208.....Many China historians are disbuting this Singapore historian findings and will probably chop off his head too....Which head? :D

...i suppose the later is a much bigger blow to cao cao. hahaha...Ohhhh... if I get a blow from Xiao Qiao, it'll definitely go down in history as my BIGGEST blow!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D:D:D

HCKing

19-03-2009, 10:56 AM

Ohhhh... if I get a blow from Xiao Qiao, it'll definitely go down in history as my BIGGEST blow!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D:D:D

BLOW OF THE 3 KINGDOM? hahaha. no wonder Zhou Yu looks so high spirited everyday!:p

Jedi

19-03-2009, 11:22 AM

A normal B/G relationship takes time and effort..but his type of B/G relationship only need time and effort to spend $$$ and more $$$..

He kanna the Man-Eater Fox demon, only Fusion Magic can cure him now

Fusion Magic Water: Holy water + Fu ("符") water. Do not let him drink alcohol for 3 months....

No use the way we talk to him is like the the FM channel ?? advert on TV
The tennis coach telling the father that his son cannot make it but the father only hear the good stuff. Have to let him learn the hard way or hopefully that girl have a bit of heart let him go loh.

Jedi

19-03-2009, 11:24 AM

kitami

19-03-2009, 11:47 AM

pewpew

19-03-2009, 12:08 PM

24682468

19-03-2009, 12:21 PM

The problem of being KC, is when you are in it you do not know is it the real thing so called real love (Is there one ) or just plain acting by them...

I very agrees with your above mentioned, once into it really dun know until when it's realized it will be too late.

For sexual pressure with FL I just visit, pay, fu*K and move on, there are so many everywhere why a need to stay with only one unless wanna to marry her as wife.

It is just my opinion.

Jedi

19-03-2009, 12:51 PM

Must ask your friend to wake up, otherwise he sure die big time :mad:

Translated from Chinese: No medicine can save him.
He thinks he is in heaven now Remembered a chinese vampire movie. The guy saw a house inside got one pretty lady (Ghost), they made love. Next day left, when come back cant find the place its a deserted graveyard. All these are not real only our $$$ is

Jedi

19-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Alway the one showing affection showering love to the girl, holding her hand while crossing the road, afraid that she don't have enough rest, afraid she will be angry if you don't report, worrying these and that...

Just wondering how many guys out there have been loved by FLs and i meant the cares and being pampered without the sign of money involved?

After seeing too many cases of these, now i only aim, sweet talk, poke then move to another hole...

When she is sick, delaying our lunch hour, rush to buy her lunch, when reach there she not happy, the porriage is not of her liking. End up go office late eat biscults. Its a game poke and move on

Jedi

19-03-2009, 01:05 PM

I very agrees with your above mentioned, once into it really dun know until when it's realized it will be too late.

For sexual pressure with FL I just visit, pay, fu*K and move on, there are so many everywhere why a need to stay with only one unless wanna to marry her as wife.

It is just my opinion.

Usually we start of by fucking with our dick (Lust) pay and F off. After a while get a bit meaningless 空虚, we look for someone that can relieve that GF feel again. Find someone we thought is the real thing fuck with dickhead and our fragile heart. Story will always ends the same, but alot is still in this cycle searching and searching nvever been able to break thru.

Panamera

19-03-2009, 01:19 PM

Which head?

Ohhhh... if I get a blow from Xiao Qiao, it'll definitely go down in history as my BIGGEST blow!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Bro groo, you mean the modern Xiao Qiao aka Lin Chi Ling (林志玲)?
For the record, her nickname in UOT is Bing QiLing (冰淇淋) ("ice-cream") :D
Damn, I think I will ask to post to Taiwan better....Anyway; all my bros will have prior membership

groo

19-03-2009, 02:17 PM

BLOW OF THE 3 KINGDOM? hahaha. no wonder Zhou Yu looks so high spirited everyday!:pA sequel to 决战天下 is coming - 吹掺天下！ Bwahahahahahaha!!! :D:D

groo

19-03-2009, 04:52 PM

...Just wondering how many guys out there have been loved by FLs and i meant the cares and being pampered without the sign of money involved?...Of course there are, but very rare... Maybe out of every 1000, you get 1 or 2? :p

pewpew

19-03-2009, 05:16 PM

So far for PRCs, i only have gotten 2 out of... 15 i guess? Balance 13 are all slaves of money... -.-""

aczeta76

20-03-2009, 10:18 AM

Alway the one showing affection showering love to the girl, holding her hand while crossing the road, afraid that she don't have enough rest, afraid she will be angry if you don't report, worrying these and that...

Just wondering how many guys out there have been loved by FLs and i meant the cares and being pampered without the sign of money involved?

After seeing too many cases of these, now i only aim, sweet talk, poke then move to another hole...

Hunter instinct huh...was like that sometime ago...

Now... dunno lah...

- Silly grins while thinking of her
- Small boy blushes when being with her

-----One word ... need to hide for a while from her maybe... to sort out my thoughts..

Panamera

20-03-2009, 10:33 AM

Hunter instinct huh...was like that sometime ago...

Now... dunno lah...

- Silly grins while thinking of her
- Small boy blushes when being with her

-----One word ... need to hide for a while from her maybe... to sort out my thoughts..

Bro aczeta, sounds like "in love" :p No worries, PRC SYT does have this effect on us sometimes......

aczeta76

20-03-2009, 10:59 AM

Bro aczeta, sounds like "in love" :p No worries, PRC SYT does have this effect on us sometimes......

Sounds like is the operative word...

She is too young for me lah, same age as my Ex-ZH GF... so I am trying to CAP my feelings at friends...

Tough.. very tough when i am not thinking of only sexual compatability...

Busy time so work should help me filter this out.. So long as I dun cause any havoc in her life, I can handle any issues in mine..

Afterall, I choose to like or love her, not the other way round... or at least I never dared to ask.

pewpew

20-03-2009, 11:07 AM

Sound out in advance, u needs a company and no future relationship promised. If she agreed, than just hang out together whenever u needs and bonk like no tomorrow.

Otherwise, next please :D

groo

20-03-2009, 11:43 AM

....Afterall, I choose to like or love her, not the other way round... or at least I never dared to ask.Bro AZ76, until you've decided whether to spend the rest of your life with her or at least during the whole period she's here in Sillypore, I guess "...never dared to ask" is the best place to be... :p
No point getting into unnecessary messy "situations"... :D

Cheers!

Panamera

20-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Hi Bros,

I posted this in another thread but think this thread is more suitable since its about LOVE but from a PRC point of view, please dont mind my double posting here

A Letter from a PRC SYT Singer:

当我第一眼看到你的时候，我知道我已经爱上了你。也许你不信世间真的有一见钟情，但是我知道缘分来了，逃也逃不掉！

还记得，我们第一次见面的情形。你上身穿一件休闲的体恤衫，下身是一件浅蓝的牛仔裤，头发稍微有点长，不过发质很好，走起路来，一甩一甩的。见你的那一刻，我的心“咚咚”的跳个不停！你微笑着和其他的客人打着招呼，就好像你已经熟悉了这里的每个人似的。

而我一个从北方走出来的姑娘，虽然性格开朗、活泼，但是刚来到这人生地不熟的地方，多少都会有些胆怯。就在我唱歌的时候，你看到了我，微笑的向我招了招手，我回了你一个同样的微笑！世间也许真的有“缘 ”这种东西。我们成了同桌。，首先大家互相介绍自己，使我对你有了一个初步的认识。接下来的时间你便兴致勃勃地和我说话，很快我就被你坦荡、幽默的语言感染了，也滔滔不绝的和你聊了起来，第一次见面，我们聊得很投机。

一个缘字，曾让多少的痴情男女或喜或悲，或惆悵或欢欣。人本来就是比较脆弱的感情动物，缘便是心底深处的那份无奈。因为一个缘字，身不由己，我也不例外。

和你在一起的日子，大部分时间都是快乐的，偶尔也会闹点矛盾。这个时候，我采取的措施是不理你。而每次都是你沉不住气，陪着笑脸向我说声对不起，之后我们又成了无话不说的好朋友！在我的眼中，你是那样优秀、完美的一个男孩，而我是那样普通。我不敢把心底的感受告诉你，因為我怕因此而失去你这样一个朋友。

你和我说过”追求一个人的手法不需要太聪明，但离开的手法必须聪明绝顶！如果你不爱一个人，请放手，好让别人有机会爱她。如果你爱的人放弃了你，请放开自己，好让自己有机会爱别人。有的东西你再喜欢也不会属於你的，有的东西你再留恋也注定要放弃的，人生中有许多种爱，但别让爱成为一种伤害．有些缘分是注定要失去的，有些缘分是永远都不会有好结果的，爱一个人不一定要拥有，但拥有一个人就一定要好好的去爱他”。我喜欢这句话。

爱你不是游戏。爱你是真心的。忘记你我做不到。不管我们的解决是否完美。什么是勇气？是哭着要你爱我，还是哭着让你离开．男人的自信来自一个女人对他的崇拜，女人的高傲来自一个男人对她的倾慕。也许一个女子的寂寞也就是这样的不堪一击。如果一个男人对我伸出手，如果他的手指是热的。他是谁对我其实已经并不重要。对于男人，更是如此，如果一个女人在他心里出现，只需要她的身体是炽热的。也许爱情只是因为寂寞，需要找一个人来爱，即使没有任何结局。伤口是别人给予的耻辱，自己坚持的幻觉。

像我这样的女人，总是以一个难题的形式出现在感情里。发现自己只能爱一个人在一瞬间。而且渐渐变的自私。也许爱情只是因为寂寞，需要找一个人来爱，即使很多人不需要再见，因为是路过而已。爱可以是一瞬间的事情，也可以是一辈子的事情。每个人都可以在不同的时间爱上不同的人。不是谁离开了谁就无法生活，遗忘让我们坚强。人这样的生物，仔细一看，原来是伤痕累累的。遗忘就是我们给彼此最好的纪念。

Hope you enjoy reading it and cheers...

BoLiang

20-03-2009, 03:08 PM

Just found this thread and read through almost all the posts. It is really interesting to find cheongsters sharing their life's experiences. Honestly, IT-retard me only found this forums last year but my cheonging began slightly earlier. I also learnt through the hard way. If fellow forumers dont mind me sharing some pointers in preventing yourself to being KC-ed:

1) Never reveal your main contact to them. That being said, means go get a Hi Card or something. Spend abit on some crap phone that can sms and call which is good enough. Why? Come trouble too much for you to handle, cancel the line and all contacts cut. Free yourself instantly. This is of coz, add onto not revealing any address, name cards, etc.

2) Building on point 1, having that separate line means you can concentrate on whichever activties you want at hand. If you are with FL, leave your main phone in car, office. If your with family, the same applies to your spare phone. No danger, no risks. Unless of coz it slipped your mind, that cannot be help la. Fated.

3) Less means more, that is absolutely true, as some senior bros pointed out. Never hint to FL / WL about how rich you are. It means they will step up their KC efforts. Just paint yourself as an average Joe that is hardworking. Afterall, why do you think FL come here at all, its still about money. No matter how tragic their stories are, it is still about $$$$. No $$ no honey initial.

4) Time is money. Sometimes, spending peanuts sum and more time will indirect score points with them. Not to good to say too much but I usually manage to get "freebies" from girls after their working hours, if you get what I mean. Its not as hard as you think so long as you are willing to spend time. Then again, family first, dont harm your family by neglecting them. There are many FLs but only 1 family.

5) Draw a fat bold line around your heart. Almost asking you to be heartless, having some harmless bonk is ok, but if FL's stories starts to trouble you day and night, it is time to go back point 1, cut the line and start afresh.

Simple stuff that gets me going til date. I hope this will not offend anyone. Cheers ^_^

groo

20-03-2009, 07:27 PM

...A Letter from a PRC SYT Singer:...当我第一眼看到你的时候，我知道我已经爱上了你。也许你不信世间真的有一见钟情，但是我知道缘分来了，逃也逃不掉！...遗忘就是我们给彼此最好的纪念。...Wow, simple yet powerful stuff - from a PRC SYT? Very insightful leh... :p

If you are into music, 王力宏 recently released an album, 心跳, which contains the song, 脚本. Bros out there who are under a KC trap now, may find the lyrics, as someone puts it, 不可思议。。。 :D

你爱得好有趣，就像一个编剧，
你的一举一动都谱写着未来。
世界也太乏味，更需要编的很美，
像第一次见面的场景。
从来不曾怀疑，牵你渡过了瓶颈，
多希望创造一个美好的结局。
用最真的感觉，慢慢一页一页写，
我只期待你陪我演完。
我们的脚本要写的好认真，
我已经看过太多的悲剧。
能给一点点笑就算是笑中带泪，
我也无所谓无所谓……
你爱得好有趣，就像一个编剧，
你的一颦一言都谱写着未来。
思念也太乏味，更需要编的很美，
像第一次分手的场景。
我们的脚本要写的好认真，
我已经看过太多的悲剧。
能给一点点笑就算是笑中带泪，
我也无所谓无所谓……
看完这个脚本陷得好深好深，
要我如何演好爱你的人。
故事里男主角剧终时泪中带笑，
而他知道这最好。

Cheers! :)

nomada

21-03-2009, 12:26 AM

Rule #3: If you find yourself RTF-ing to the extend that it doesn't seems like a commercial bonk anymore...STOP the RTF immediately!

This is by far the best advice so far to avoid falling into KC trap. The more you RTF her, the more you convince yourself she is the right one for you. Kudos to you!

groo

21-03-2009, 12:16 PM

This is by far the best advice so far to avoid falling into KC trap. The more you RTF her, the more you convince yourself she is the right one for you. Kudos to you!That situation has not happened to me yet...:p

After some time, the bonks become SOP, just like bonking with my CO... that's why we married samsters ended up looking for FLs in the 1st place... Otherwise why look for FLs?!?!?!? Bwahahahahahhahahaha!!! :D

Cheers! ;)

Panamera

24-03-2009, 08:21 AM

[QUOTE]
U mean u take your CO as a prostitute?

Hey! Dickhead jchongking!! Dont know how to read properly, is it?

Why you often insult people? You have a sad and abusive childhood, is it? :mad:

aczeta76

24-03-2009, 09:32 AM

Bro AZ76, until you've decided whether to spend the rest of your life with her or at least during the whole period she's here in Sillypore, I guess "...never dared to ask" is the best place to be... :p
No point getting into unnecessary messy "situations"... :D

Cheers!

Yupz.. totally agree.

Now, before people start to wonder. The person is not Li Wei.. she is my 师妹 so no messy issues here with me and her.
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如果你不爱一个人，请放手，好让别人有机会爱她。如果你爱的人放弃了你，请放开自己，好让自己有机会爱别人。有的东西你再喜欢也不会属於你的，有的东西你再留恋也注定要放弃的，人生中有许多种爱，但别让爱成为一种伤害．有些缘分是注定要失去的，有些缘分是永远都不会有好结果的，爱一个人不一定要拥有，但拥有一个人就一定要好好的去爱他”。我喜欢这句话。
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I like this statement. After that msg from XP, it reminded me that though we have not met for one year, we are still concerned about each other and it makes me very happy to know that she is busy at home with her family leaving a normal life that she enjoys

So for the girl who has caused me to waver, I wish the same for her and just hope that we could just remain part of each others life when things allows.

groo

24-03-2009, 09:56 AM

[QUOTE]
U mean u take your CO as a prostitute?YOU ARE JUST FARKING PATHETIC!!!
MY SYMPATHIES TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES, IF YOU HAVE ANY!!! :D

groo

24-03-2009, 10:18 AM

...before people start to wonder. The person is not Li Wei.. she is my 师妹 so no messy issues here with me and her....She complained you are always so busy, no time for her... so how to be messy?!?!?! Bwahahahahahaha!!! :D

aczeta76

24-03-2009, 05:13 PM

She complained you are always so busy, no time for her... so how to be messy?!?!?! Bwahahahahahaha!!! :D

ya ya ya... paisey lah... hengz got loyal LW supporters like you guys to accompany her loh

Juz had this tot when I was damn worried about someone... Since I cannot give her anything, best not to KC her at all...

No point "conquering" her then having to let go and hurting her...爱有时候要放手

Harvest

09-05-2009, 10:05 PM

Hi bro Harvest,

I appreciate that u r sharing some of ur strategies n hope that u would continue.

I realize that ur topic "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" is very controversial n a very risky endeavor n may not sit well w/ some senior bros here. However, this being a forum n in the spirit of sharing, u should consider continuing ur instalments...n let's debate the various issues later.

Hi bro Warbird and all, I'm back! :p

Firstly, many thanks to all bros whom have shown appreciation to my sharing in the past. Yes, this is indeed a very controversial topic that despite my many disclaimers and kind intentions spelt out, my sharings have received its fair share of strong negative feedbacks.

To bros whom have raised your unhappiness that I'm a "bad teacher", and causing "more harm than good" etc thru my sharings... I hear you and I respect your views. This is a public forum everyone is welcome to add their 2 cents' worth. I'm not sure if I've started this thread on the right footing but I'm sure that my intention is not to tempt newbies into this dangerous KC game. I regret if some bros here might have taken offense and thought otherwise.

Anyway, I'm glad that many other bros have also shared their wealth of experiences during my absence while I was busy with work (and KC-ing too...:D)

Cheers! :)

warbird

10-05-2009, 01:13 PM

Hi bro Warbird and all, I'm back! :p

................This is a public forum everyone is welcome to add their 2 cents' worth. I'm not sure if I've started this thread on the right footing but I'm sure that my intention is not to tempt newbies into this dangerous KC game. I regret if some bros here might have taken offense and thought otherwise.

Anyway, I'm glad that many other bros have also shared their wealth of experiences during my absence while I was busy with work (and KC-ing too...

Cheers! :)

Hi bro Harvest,

Welcome back!

I think some bros here may argue that a more fitting title for the thread would hv been "How not to get KC-ed by a WL/FL."

I think very few bros intentionally try to KC a WL/FL bcos it's like playing w/ fire. But many of them do try to KC us to tempt us to RTF more often. Once we kena KC-ed they will use false pretenses to take us to the cleaners.:eek: Sometimes we do need to level the playing field.:cool:

I look forward to ur further contributions n thoughts on the subject. I hope u n other bros could also share ur experiences n "case studies."

Cheers!

ManInCheong

10-05-2009, 03:15 PM

colins

10-05-2009, 11:02 PM

This Title "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" got all bros eyes but it only cover the lower half. Disappointed by a good post...what the hell i'm thinking...

Anyway, bros who trying to KC WL/FL, there are some preparations steps here,

1. How is your EQ? The way you control your emotion...If you get high easily...just play and pay then off to another girl cos you will be killed by their GFE.

Bro, as a guide, a person with low EQ gets attracted to FL cos they can't control themselves. Fighting this urge is fight nature.

2. How is your IQ? Take any IQ test you can find online...If your below 140 (max 150)...just play and pay then off to another girl cos average PRC FL IQ above 130, just with your own mind cannot outplay a group of 130s dun u.

This is not an IQ game bro. You're dealing with professionals. You can't ask for their IQ score, hell if they even know it. In the first place, nobody will say like, Ok I got low EQ/IQ so I am not going to KC anybody to get GFE. Low EQ/IQ is precisely the reason why anybody need to have GFE.

3. Always remember...dun KC more than 1.5 months. When you're used to having her by your side, only you can save yourself cos Buddha also cannot save you liao not to mention your friends.

This one fully agree. The KC game is like a fortress under bombardment. Sooner or later you get fucked in the brains. Somemore you'll get fucked so much that you believe you're the one in control and KC-ing her.

pussyman72

11-05-2009, 12:50 AM

warbird

11-05-2009, 01:24 AM

[QUOTE=ManInCheong;3726614]This Title "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" got all bros eyes but it only cover the lower half...

Anyway, bros who trying to KC WL/FL, there are some preparations steps here,

1. How is your EQ? The way you control your emotion...If you get high easily...just play and pay then off to another girl cos you will be killed by their GFE.

I agree w/ u here. But it takes more than EQ to KC a WL/FL or a KTV ger/singer who is not a regular FL. One needs to be dominant n unflappable n hv the attitude that one is a great catch n the ger is very lucky...

2. How is your IQ? Take any IQ test you can find online...If your below 140 (max 150)...just play and pay then off to another girl cos average PRC FL IQ above 130, just with your own mind cannot outplay a group of 130s dun u.

I beg to differ w/ ur assertion that "average PRC FL IQ above 130." Although these gers are street smart n cunning, most of them are undereducated n of slightly above IQ only. Many can't even write correct Chinese. IMHO, their average IQ is 110 or so.

3. Always remember...dun KC more than 1.5 months. When you're used to having her by your side, only you can save yourself cos Buddha also cannot save you liao not to mention your friends.

Time may not be a crucial factor as long as u remain dominant n unflappable. Let her know subtly that u are prepared to walk out of her life if she ever displeases u. Bcos a bevy of young n pretty PRC gers are always waiting to take her place. You're an alpha male, remember? Hehehe:cool:

Just my 2 cents.

casannova03

11-05-2009, 02:37 PM

I personally think that this whole KC issue is very hard to learn just by reading advice given or by listening to others - even your closest buddies!

However, having read all 15 pages of this thread, i must say that many points were touched on and are indeed very relevant.

My point of view is that EVERYTHING in life is about experiences!;)

You can talk advise a newbie till the cows come home but still, he'll think that he's different and that he's the knight in shining armour!!
Once the whole lovey-dovey bubble has burst, the true meaning of your words will then ring in his head. Often, we rely on hindsight to correct ourselves and to learn from mistakes made. I think that this is also the case for the KC theme mentioned in here.

How is one able to comprehend the kind of hurt and damage that a WL does to you? Yes! only when you've been hurt before...if not, i dun see how any amount of advice will have the same effect on anyone....

I am sure many of our senior bros have been hurt and have suffered some amount of damage before they wised up to the tricks of these girls...Pls correct me if I am wrong.:D

Conversely, for these WLs, as much as many try the KC trick to get what they want, many have been hurt b4 and they will only wise up and learn many more tricks of the trade. I have persoannly known one such girl. Initially, she was a greenhorn who was here for the 1st time and everything about her exudes naive-ness and she almost always believe everything you say. However, due to her very young age, I somehow did not bear to try to KC her....Over time, with more experience and more trips and further "education" by her fellow sisters, I realised that she has became another person!! - no longer the naive village gal that i know her to be.....

Therefore, to me, before even the discussion on using NLP for the KC games, ONE needs to have the experience of having been hurt to know why all these discussion is necessary in the first place.;)

So advice to newbies is, try it only if you are game for an equal amount of damage. To the gal, it might just be emotional and bodily loss ....but to you, its a whirlpool of emotional plus monetary loss which will lead to psychological stress that might affect your career, your family(if you have one), your friends and most important, YOURSELF!

In a nutshell, I think experience is the key but having said that, there is no end to experience..so just be aware of some gals that have more experience than you!

That's why the game is so dangerous cos you never know who you're gonna meet.

The day you find the KC game boring with a certain gal is the day you've won! - 无敌是寂寞的！

NewandLost

11-05-2009, 03:05 PM

nice take. true dat. would add, the futher removed you are from her, the more you realize what happened and ask yourself why did you allow it to happen. i think it also turns one into a harsher more defensive person. this weekend two PRC walked up to me. Was woman and husband, woman with BF or whatever those f kers are. Women approaches first. Said some sh id about being from Bejing, lost waller, and needed some money for dinner. They were wearing Polo and I econmically profiled them as rich upper class based on dress. I told them to F CK OFF that I didnt give a s id about their hunger. The man got hasty until I threatened to break his face and they quickly scooted across the street!

HCKing

11-05-2009, 05:59 PM

lol as i said many time there is no teacher here. whether old bird new bird all same wanna kanna will kanna...

what EQ IQ dont get QQ by ger can liao it does not matter ur EQ / IQ high mean u dont get KC or ur EQ / IQ low meaning u will get Q by the gers...

all voice down one thing. Can afford to get kc or play go ahead n play the game. if u cant then better to fark n f o then slaughter by the gers

yup u said it, kanna KC simply means u have oredi lose control over the whole affair. nothing to do with EQ or IQ. even 4 one with high EQ and IQ can turns kuku once he has gotten himself deeply entrapped in a KC trap and lost all reasoning.

DO_YOU_BJ

11-05-2009, 06:35 PM

One day, when you've mastered the art of KC, and have a killing spree, sooner or later, you will also be a victim of your success.....cos by then, everywhere u go, they'll be your "FRIEND" yeah, but try to KC them, they'll be da 1st to run.....

ManInCheong

11-05-2009, 08:11 PM

Let me elaborate a bit here:
These 3 items is just for the preparation parts. In books, it might be named as Introduction. You need to mix all these together for "Preparation of KCing" and remember this, KC a WL/FL is much much harder as well as adventurous than KC normal girls around you...Yes...including your wife. For Bros who cannot control your own wife or girls, stick with them and gave up KC FL. Those who mastered the "Art-Of-KCing" to the top level are known to be cold-blooded or inhuman but thru out the history, there are none, but myth wise...some dieties and devil lo...

Alright, back to the 3 Question...

1. How is your EQ? The way you control your emotion...If you get high easily...just play and pay then off to another girl cos you will be killed by their GFE.

A guy who possessed a higher EQ will be more like to control their emotion and urge to "PROTECT" a pretty girl than those of lower EQs. But thru out the time...if stuck with a single or small sum of FL...even the highest EQ guy would sink down or like i said, only in myths, that a cold blooded or inhuman guy exist, he would be the survivor.

2. How is your IQ? Take any IQ test you can find online...If your below 140 (max 150)...just play and pay then off to another girl cos average PRC FL IQ above 130, just with your own mind cannot outplay a group of 130s dun u.

A higher IQ person with equivalent EQ would more likely "disappear" into the thin air as they are more likely to or instinctively tell them that its time to "let go" or you will be in deep shit.
A bro here stated that PRC FL are normally lowly educated. I'm totally agree with that but do remember 1 thing, low ed doesn't mean your stupid and high ed doesnt mean your smart...I've do met some retarded PhDs these few years. Do remember here that there's an old chinese saying "Three shoemakers outshine a Zhu-Keliang". Experience counts and 3 heads are better than 1. Oh!!! should be 2...your big head and your dick head(the part that makes all men retard).

3. Always remember...dun KC more than 1.5 months. When you're used to having her by your side, only you can save yourself cos Buddha also cannot save you liao not to mention your friends.
This one is quintessential for all newbies as well as amateurs. Why? Already explained above. Anyway, a normal PRC FL would stay in SG not more than 2 months. Setting this target would stop bros going to China and stay with them. Its also good against local or permit/passes holder FL since...1.5 month would not be enough to generated the so called "feeling" as long as your equipped with sufficient EQ.

So this conclude the Introduction part of "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her". Please stay put for chapter 1 "Getting very close to a WL/FL". Bros with experience, please do post your stories as well as reports too. :D

Panamera

12-05-2009, 12:38 AM

Those who mastered the "Art-Of-KCing" to the top level are known to be cold-blooded or inhuman but thru out the history, there are none, but myth wise...some dieties and devil

Bro, you're wrong liao, the nics above your post is a Deity..:D

He is actually Dionysus in disguise...(his nics starts with a "D")

MQ is most important la, Money Quotient is an ability or capacity to perceive, assess, and manage the money of one's self, and of others. It is how one measures moneytary intelligence to maximize potential returns and limiting losses...

No money, whatever Q also L.L.Q

But I enjoy reading your post..hehe

pussyman72

12-05-2009, 03:11 AM

OMG now pple talking about writing wu lin mi ji :rolleyes:

lol one last word - No Money No Honey :rolleyes:;):cool:

I have a friend who think his EQ and IQ better then anybody. Always scold my other friends saying they dont know how to manage KTV gers... said this WL must know their pattern n play them... tell my friend this WLs are very ez to handle. LOL

u know what.... I see him dying at the hand of a Viet CB..... His donating every single cent to the viet WL. Till he farking poor...

When I fark him. He said no lar i never feed ger. just play play with her lar, u think i stupid ah.. lol then when another friend tell me that he been sending money to the ger and even buy things for the ger's family i started to laugh... his ego too farking big till he scare to be malu in front of friend..

So sometime dont talk so big.. we never know when we will fall into the trap. no matter u are old, new cock or EQ or IQ Cock....

Got Money Got CB No Money ger will ask you play ur own COCK.. gers dont care whether u got EQ IQ to them MM is better then all the Q u have LOL

Cum_Luver

12-05-2009, 04:55 AM

wow bro PussyMan72,
long time never see you in here liao.

ManInCheong

12-05-2009, 05:00 AM

Well...above 3 things is the base qualities of KCing where $$ is always essential when it comes with FL or should we say...any women :D

The one with IQ and EQ will "impersonate pig to eat tiger"...bros friend is only boasting and kena KCed in the end. For me, KCing a women is always like fishing rather than controlling. The moment you think your controlling everything...you're a puppet liao. Do remember that a minor errors will kill even the greatest beast.:rolleyes:

ManInCheong

12-05-2009, 05:04 AM

Bro, you're wrong liao, the nics above your post is a Deity..:D

He is actually Dionysus in disguise...(his nics starts with a "D")

That's y i post after him lo... :p
But i thought he's the devil le :D

hamster80

12-05-2009, 11:24 AM

Wow this thread is getting more interesting...

IMO you can't blame the FLs at all...despite me being cheated for 2 times already. :confused:

All of them came a long way from their homeland for only 1 purpose. That is MONEY. They did not came here to look for husband...in fact many of them has already a sweetheart or husband back in China.

They came here because someone near them has come here and make a pile of gold from us. They hear that Singapore guys are lonely and easily manipulated. (i have heard this from few of them personally. They even have mentors to teach them the art of KC)

They are already "trained" on what to do and what not to do.

That is to only focus on MONEY, MONEY and MONEY and nothing else.

99% of the FLs will never give their real heart to us here..It is always MONEY first , then HONEY. Remember that is their ultimate motive here..

If any bro still don't believe all the advices in this thread, try to court one PRC girl and give your heart to them. Try it ...and you will come back with a different view. :o

I personally just kena one again...I have just closed her thread :mad:. Some bros would know who she is if you have asked for her contact.

What I have gathered is that this girl has already cheated 2-3 lovers including me...saying that we are her only lover. I got to know from her sister friend and she admitted to me herself.

She has obscured different form of materialistic gains including a work permit !! That Boss risked breaking the law to help her !

And I also risked breaking the law posting a thread here to facilitate her transaction. Some more I used to give her free lodging and allowance until my business came to a halt....

To think she is the only girl I want to help to gather customers in this forum. I have never open a thread for any FLs who tried to please me in all ways.

I thought she was different ???

I spend so much time maintaining her thread, replying FRs, giving contacts....and she didn't contact me for 1 whole week...
I knew her wrist hurt...and I went to buy her a $500+ OTO Ecell for treatment...and she preferred to go out with her clients after work than meeting me for 10 minutes to pass her the thing...

Good Luck to that bro who is already HOOKED IMO.

She never wore sexy-dressing in her previous massage palour until now...

I understand why now...it is because I have told her that the bros here are nicer, richer and more educated.. !! Her BIG alarm must have sounded off..

I just can't stand people lying to me...To me, what she did is 10X worse than the FLs who use their body to procure their earnings... CHEATING is the ultimate NONO for me...

She was a hostess and FL but gave up because customers consistently complain her attitude and ugly stretch marks all over her boobs and stomach areas.... She look perfect on the outside but disaster on the inside but I never minded her...

I am afraid she is trying to KC the bros here again...thats why I have requested BOSS to CLOSE that thread...explaining to him the whole story

She is too damn GOOD at KC people....acting nice... Top Top Professional in her line :rolleyes:

I think I will never trust a PRC woman ever again...to me now...it is only SEX SEX SEX and no love into it.... hahahhah

I am afraid now...

Panamera

12-05-2009, 11:37 AM

Majority of them have got no time for relationship development, sole objective is to maximize $$$ returns within limited time staying here..We like their bodies, they love our money. Straight forward. No hard feelings. But we often mistaken they are as innocent as KC gals (Katong Convent) and they see us as KC guys (Kennel Club) :D

Solution as to "How to KC a WL without being KC-ed by Her" - Easy said than done as long as we have 2 heads. When we parted with our money on them, it's always does seems to be the right thing/action to do AT THAT MOMENT! Whatever IQ/EQ, when lust takes over, all the Qs are out of the window without hesitation..Like bros mentioned No Money No Honey! so No Money, No KC

KangTuo

12-05-2009, 12:02 PM

You saved her SMSes and looked at them whenever you are free... in the toilet, during lunch break, even when you are driving and waiting for the traffic lights to turn green...

I keep looking at the photos/videos we took in HCMC
I very eager to see her again in Sillypore/HCMC
I call her at least 3 times a week, yahoo chat twice a week, multiple sms in a day
I can't find anymore gals interesting to KC in JC/GL
I have not bonk anyone since returning from HCMC

OH NO... :(
OH YES... :)
I have been KC-ed by a viet gal :confused:

ManInCheong

12-05-2009, 01:00 PM

..........I thought she was different ???.........
...and I went to buy her a $500+ OTO Ecell for treatment...
........ugly stretch marks all over her boobs and stomach areas....
I am afraid she is trying to KC the bros here again...thats why I have requested BOSS to CLOSE that thread...explaining to him the whole story
She is too damn GOOD at KC people....acting nice... Top Top Professional in her line :rolleyes:
I think I will never trust a PRC woman ever again...to me now...it is only SEX SEX SEX and no love into it.... hahahhah
I am afraid now...

1. She no different from any PRC...2nd words always ask "You have GF?"
2. Told you buy ointment enuh liao
3. Stretch marks...i also noticed le...on thigh la...
4. No use closing her thread when others will open new one and boom you
5. I know she good at KC and she's an octopus, otherwise wont kena shot i your thread
6. Wanna try "sikh" girl? 19 yo...just got her ctc :D

hamster80

12-05-2009, 01:20 PM

1. She no different from any PRC...2nd words always ask "You have GF?"
2. Told you buy ointment enuh liao
3. Stretch marks...i also noticed le...on thigh la...
4. No use closing her thread when others will open new one and boom you
5. I know she good at KC and she's an octopus, otherwise wont kena shot i your thread
6. Wanna try "sikh" girl? 19 yo...just got her ctc :D

Yah officially join the ANTI-KC club liao...:)

Yesterday keep grumbling to my friend...why can a girl change so fast because of money... :o

Scared liao lah....especially girls who can lied so well...cannot SPOT any change in the expression...

BoLiang

12-05-2009, 01:32 PM

Yah officially join the ANTI-KC club liao...:)

Yesterday keep grumbling to my friend...why can a girl change so fast because of money... :o

Scared liao lah....especially girls who can lied so well...cannot SPOT any change in the expression...

money is the root of all evil, bro. If you can afford to PAY, then they will agree to your WAY. Ultimately, as you know most PRCs are here for $$ only. The rest doesnt really matters to them.

Chill, peace!

Koreanlover

12-05-2009, 01:41 PM

Bros what is kc? Pardon me pls

NewandLost

12-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Its a process of being milked for things with monetrary value. Can be currency or luxury goods or other goods under the false impression of love and feelings. Basically a con job by free lance hookers and other undesirables or even a non working girl. One is conned to give under the aura of love. The profile is usually a PRC or Flip, Viet girl but can be your average SG girl too. This is not true of all gals but if you were to racially or ethnically profile they would fall into those classes.

Some in SG, after being "KCed" end up filing for bankruptcy and/or divorce, some lose their professional livelyhood due to bordering on insanity due to the betrayal. Some I have read commit suicide. Some marry the girl and even have childeren with them only to sprial downward.

Its a slippery slope into the abyss. A dark path to self-destruction. The perpetrator has no remorse for their act or no feelings when they are "KCing" you.

Be forewarned to stay away from generating feelings for some of the bitches.

aczeta76

12-05-2009, 02:23 PM

Yah officially join the ANTI-KC club liao...:)

Yesterday keep grumbling to my friend...why can a girl change so fast because of money... :o

Scared liao lah....especially girls who can lied so well...cannot SPOT any change in the expression...

Guys... relax lah.. casualties are part of war.

There are always those who act very well but to me, unless I am ready or prepared to marry them. It should not matter as long as I remain in control and not over promise or give things in hope of something in return.

Bro.. I know you are hurt by wat she did but then if she had stayed true to you or the boss, would either of you take care of her future?

If we are not prepared to give without asking for return, then we should not.. else we ony risk to lose ourselves,

ManInCheong

12-05-2009, 02:50 PM

Yah officially join the ANTI-KC club liao...:)

Yesterday keep grumbling to my friend...why can a girl change so fast because of money... :o

Scared liao lah....especially girls who can lied so well...cannot SPOT any change in the expression...

Correction...its the "Only-KC-Traits"...no feeling involved just KCing. Short form is...:D

RegularJoe

12-05-2009, 03:20 PM

i suppose many middle-aged men especially, could fall prey easily to KC by FLs/WLs... this could be that the "flame" with the spouse is a mere flicker now...

with more spending power, visits to KTVs and/or some FLs, can rekindle that flame all over again...and especially if one is not mentally framed to understand that all these WL/FL want is money, then their KC-ing can really get these men into trouble.

me too, on occasions, can find myself sucked into this game of "sex for money, love is NOT free"... when i was in super good mood, i did purchase small gifts now and then for those whom i favoured... but luckily, i do not offer any more than material things...afterall, i cant offer a long term and real relationship...so, i guess, it worked out ok...

as time went on, i discovered that the best way to deal with KC is to simply treat these FLs/WLs as service providers...they know they need to KC us, in exchange for money....and that's what we should do... let them pamper us...view that as a service given..at the end of that session, pay and move on to more critical things in life... whenever, we need a fix, call, arrange, receive, pay and move on again...maybe to the next one...

moving onto the next one, could well be another way to ensure one doesn't get too "familiar" with any one particular FL/WL... frankly, humans are emotional beings...there's no way we can hardened ourselves to the extend that we don't "feel"....that'll be tragic if we did... so, in order not to get "emotionally involved" becos of prolonged servicing by one same FL/WL, one could choose a new face, a new service provider..

in any case, it can be more refreshing and perhaps, a different story to hear as well....hahahaha...

enjoy...pay, fuck and move on to a new one....as a friend would put it... conquer this mountain...the next one awaits....:D

Harvest

12-05-2009, 03:57 PM

I keep looking at the photos/videos we took in HCMC
I very eager to see her again in Sillypore/HCMC
I call her at least 3 times a week, yahoo chat twice a week, multiple sms in a day
I can't find anymore gals interesting to KC in JC/GL
I have not bonk anyone since returning from HCMC

OH NO... :(
OH YES... :)
I have been KC-ed by a viet gal :confused:

Bro, only you yourself can answer this honestly. And how you want to move on from here is entirely up to you.

To me, there's no escaping the fact that we being humans have emotions, and emotions can be manipulated in situations like commercial sex context. Guys are sexually predatory, gals are sexually manipulative. There's a saying that our happiest moment is also our weakest. That is when the WL/FL will have the easiest access to your heart and plant an emotional time bomb before you realise whatz going on.

Be forewarned, be armed and be prepared to diffuse the "bomb"; else if you crash and burn, there's still many bros here who will offer their generous advice how to get over and recover from your devastation.

Cheers! :)

KangTuo

12-05-2009, 05:25 PM

Bro, only you yourself can answer this honestly. And how you want to move on from here is entirely up to you.

To me, there's no escaping the fact that we being humans have emotions,

.......if you crash and burn, there's still many bros here who will offer their generous advice how to get over and recover from your devastation.

Cheers! :)

Yah. Its up to me to see how i wanna move on

Emotion is the thing I am looking for. I have been and still is in the viet scene for sometimes and KC-ed many vn gals till I seems to be emotionless. Seems like a predator always trying to get his prey. Moving on from 1 prey to the other. Sometimes even KC 2-3 gals at one time. I am immune to the 'em yeu anh', em nho anh' kind of sms liao. Sometimes I even help them sms to their customer.

$ and time is always involve when I play the game but I am always looking after my ROI. If I sense that the 'asking for alot $' thing is coming, I move on to next target. If I sense that the gal is not an easy target, I also move on. Only gals who never ask for $ and willing to spend time with me, I will keep them till they find a customer who is willing to spurge alot $$ on them. These are the ones who eventually become my FB.

In this game, you lose some, you gain some. But seems like I lost my emotion.

Question to bro who play the KC game.... At times, do you feel inhuman and emotionless?

closetspacefull

12-05-2009, 05:39 PM

Bros, I really don't understand what the problem is. Big head should advise that if a woman is out here in Singapore working as potential FL/KTV hostess/masseus etc... chances are she's willing to play for pay right.

Now can you act all indignant and surprised when she gets bored once you're no longer able to spring the bills or a better prospect comes along???

Think Bro, Think!!! Just as we have bros here who cheong with wife, makes no difference for girl to upgrade once they find better prospect. Lots of bros talk cock to girls about how she's so beautiful etc, and the next syt come along his mind already fantasizing on his next bonk.

I've been a robert a coupla times. I remember when I first started out, I buy LV for a girl I just met for 2 days. While that was a significant cash outlay to me (I know some bigshot like **ahem** James Cheong <roll eyes> the 2-3K USD is nothing, but its still alot to me). However, at the same time, I know its just for fun and not expecting her to be faithful and loyal to me forever for this kind of crap.

Have fun, enjoy life. Go through with no expectations, always wear a rubber and trust me, u'll be much happier. If a girl drop you, don't get mad, find another one. Life goes on... Understand these girls are out to secure as much cash as possible in a limited time while their looks and ability to hook a man are still effective. Most of them come from limited or poorer means so why begrudge them their choice in life. Its not a simple decision to go into this line of work so they have their reasons too...

Spend what you can afford to spend and if you get too invested, stand back and reassess... somethings you can see you're being foolish then stop lah and stop crying about spoilt milk.

I think the most pathetic guy is someone who screams and wails when a WL takes advantage of him.... WHAT DID U BLOODY EXPECT???

DO_YOU_BJ

12-05-2009, 06:59 PM

Question to bro who play the KC game.... At times, do you feel inhuman and emotionless?

Hell YES!
Not at times but all the time.
But do not feel inhuman, cos you're just reciprocating what you get.
If you play this long, you'll learn to tango wif them.

Let me give you an example that happened to me and a singer not too long ago
WL: Funny le, last nite i dreamt of you
Me: Sigh, I know, but thanks for saying, me have dreamt of you countless times but shy to say
WL: This happened during dinner when we were sitting opposite a mirror.....Wah, dun you notice that we look alike??? Wah, so coincidental
ME: haha, now then you notice ah, i noticed it since i 1st met you, that's why i always date you out & support you...缘分啦
WL: Then how?????
Me: Since fated, be my woman, you will be the hottest & richest, NO HESITATION FROM HER
WL: OK!

This drama went on all the way for a week and i told her to F off on the 8th day
Inhuman, yeah, but again, you just goin with the flow.
Cos all the things she said, IS TO TRAP YOU ONLY!
Remember the basic common traits that's still very widely used:

感情计
同情计
希望计

It will most definitely start from one of the above
Like i always say, to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief
To catch a ghost like WLs, you better be a DEVIL!
Else sure die jialat jialat

RegularJoe

12-05-2009, 08:57 PM

bros closetspaceful and do_you_bj....

very well articulated... i almost agree with all you have said...

me..only 1 humble point... will give a bro closetspaceful first...since obviously, he needs it more now....and then power on again...will upz bro do_you_bj

cheers...

yeah....play their game...play with them...and of cos, play them...but never let them play you like a robert...

Harvest

12-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Question to bro who play the KC game.... At times, do you feel inhuman and emotionless?

Definitely emotionless, but not inhuman because at the end of the day my conscious is clear that I played the game by the rules. At the end of my tango with them I did not cheat their hard-earned money nor made them commit any crime.

Know where to draw the line. Never betray your soul. ;)

colins

12-05-2009, 10:09 PM

Things you do and see define who you are. What you deem as inhumane may not be the same as me, as with anyone else. A soldier who uses his rifle on a civilian may deem himself to be inhumane, but if he sees a terrorist slice the head off a reporter with a pocket knife, he would believe what he did is actually quite justified and humanitarian in a way. One only wants to kill while the other wants to torture an innocent life to prove his point.

If you can't cross into an area you deem as inhumane, then you remain 'human' lo. Its all what you have in your borders what. Firstly you never see what they are capable of doing, how can you justify your actions to your conscience? If you never kenna KC, how do you know what you're doing to another?

Again it depends on your generalisation of WLs. People keep saying do not generalise, there are difference in the haystack. Such people give views like 'she is different from the rest'. Hell yeah. You wanna know what is inhuman? Get out to the world and see it as it is.

roamersg

13-05-2009, 12:50 AM

Interesting thread, I went back and read many of the pages.

as time went on, i discovered that the best way to deal with KC is to simply treat these FLs/WLs as service providers...moving onto the next one, could well be another way to ensure one doesn't get too "familiar" with any one particular FL/WL... frankly, humans are emotional beings...there's no way we can hardened ourselves to the extend that we don't "feel"....that'll be tragic if we did.

Never rtf is common guidance to samsters, and I agree that for most folks that's the necessary protection to ensure no emotional involvement. I actually prefer to RFT bc I like the illusion of GFE, which for most does improve dramatically with RTF, taking out to dinner with no sex, etc. But for me, I do as you do, always make it clear they are a service provider, without saying so. So I never take a free bonk, always give them some money.

Another thing that some may find is that I (almost) never lie to them. So if they ask if I bonked other WLs in this KTV, I say "yes". Or if I visit other singers in HFJ ditto. Not only do I find this easier, but I think it also sends the clear signal to WL that of course this will never go anywhere no matter how often I see you, as only my wife is important enough to lie to!

Bro RJ, thanks also for your recent KTV observations, very thorough and for me helpful for one I have yet to visit!

shade

13-05-2009, 01:49 AM

Hell YES!
Not at times but all the time.
But do not feel inhuman, cos you're just reciprocating what you get.
If you play this long, you'll learn to tango wif them......

感情计
同情计
希望计

It will most definitely start from one of the above
Like i always say, to catch a thief, you gotta be a bigger thief
To catch a ghost like WLs, you better be a DEVIL!
Else sure die jialat jialat

Bro DYBJ, I like your last quote. You must be really one step quicker/above them to be able to conquer them.

Things you do and see define who you are. What you deem as inhumane may not be the same as me, as with anyone else.....

If you can't cross into an area you deem as inhumane, then you remain 'human' lo. Its all what you have in your borders what. Firstly you never see what they are capable of doing, how can you justify your actions to your conscience? If you never kenna KC, how do you know what you're doing to another?

Again it depends on your generalisation of WLs. People keep saying do not generalise, there are difference in the haystack. Such people give views like 'she is different from the rest'. Hell yeah. You wanna know what is inhuman? Get out to the world and see it as it is.

Bro colins, your post sound so familiar.

I have heard stories how they scam and decieve men of their money/CPF. Marry just for PR status. I told myself to be careful. However, I have never experience their KC skills before. That time, I must be having problem with my gf that i let my guard down. Also, I am not a seasoned cheongster.

I met a PRC WL this year, had a wonderful time with her. Didn't know they wet easily. Genuine moan as if making love to your gf. Everything clicked. I do not want to generalise WL, thus giving her the benefit of doubt. We spoke about everything. She told me her lives back home. Her sad moments. Why she want to come to Singapore to be a WL to earn money. A lame excuse, just to repay her relative for the loan she use to buy a flat instead of going for a bank loan. She feel more pressured to return her relative than the bank. However, I didn't probe further.

I didn't tell her much my side to be on my guard. Still, my emotion weakens myself. 'she is different from the rest', quote from Bro colins repeated itself in my mind. Maybe it is her age that she want to settle down already. She has friends who married to Singapore man and think that Singapore man are better in terms of 'tender loving care'. Better living in Singapore. Well, she didn't say the exact words, but from the numerous chat with her, can feel all that. Oh, she mention that she missed out marrying her first bf because of her parents. She can't moved far away to her bf province. But, this time round, even marrying to Singapore should not be a problem. Cause her parents felt letting her down. (Some longer stories behind.)

I was feeling sad because of the dilemma. Problem with gf(some quarrels lor). My emotions was falling for the WL. But I was unable to give up my gf for someone i barely know for 2 months. And my gf did nothing wrong. I had a talk with my Brother (related brother lah). He talk some sense into me. I felt alot better after that. Seems like my head took a good knock.

The WL was quite emotional too. There was once I did not pick up her call as i was with gf. When i return her call that night, she cried. She was feeling sad the whole day as she can guess who i was with. We chatted and decided to get our emotions corrected. 2 days later, she sms me to go have a walk with her. Normally, I would straight away drive my bro car down to meet her. That night, I harden my feelings and told her that I'm sleeping already. No news from her there after. A few days later i sms her some help that i had done for her. She thanked me. Then another sms followed, “你是？” Well, all is clear now.

Me, “没关系，不重要了。”
WL,“可以打电话吗？”
Me, “不必了，没关系。”

Subsequently her calls and sms was ignored for that day. I thought that was the end. In the end she guessed who am I, and try to call me, sms me. All was ignored. These goes on for about a week. She sms me an inspirational sms about friends. That was ignored too. Her last sms came saying that I did not even give her a chance to be friend. “好残忍呀”。

Well I should have at least reply her to give her a piece of my mind. In the first place, she is the one who deleted my name from her phone list. I have lots of why and what. What is her hidden agenda? Is there any? Which of her words are true, which are false?

Conclusions:
I still think that her heart is good. (Maybe it's the time i spend with her or is it her KC skills) I did not spend on her as she did not request. Only meals and those sessions with her. I was emotionally drained. I have too much to lose if i were to choose her. But will I mind her past in the future? (Her WL friend did married to Singapore)

Well, like 1 bro who posted before: "Remember!!! When you go into the hotel room, KTV or HC, it is a DREAM. When you leave the place, just remember to wake up from your DREAM." Not to generalise PRC girls, but if they are WL, they are here to make money for whatever reasons they have. Is it really that 1% that will result in a happy ending? I am a believer already. Will you fall into that 1%? Quite hard leh, it will take lots of luck(to find a WL that has a good heart) and secondly, still lots of luck.

Sorry if I have write off points from the subject. :o

shade

13-05-2009, 01:56 AM

Never rtf is common guidance to samsters, and I agree that for most folks that's the necessary protection to ensure no emotional involvement. I actually prefer to RFT bc I like the illusion of GFE, which for most does improve dramatically with RTF, taking out to dinner with no sex, etc. But for me, I do as you do, always make it clear they are a service provider, without saying so. So I never take a free bonk, always give them some money.

Yah Bro roamersg, never RTF. But you RTF for the gf feeling. Same here for me. Can click better each time mah. Same, go out for dinner or supper only. Always pay for my sessions. But, in the end, if you never wake up from your dream after leaving and your little head and heart do the thinking, you are going down a spiral of stairs.

Big head must still be the one doing the thinking. ;)

colins

13-05-2009, 02:05 AM

Bro shade, really empathise you but you've got good experience now. Hope she din take too much emotions off you man. ;)

RegularJoe

13-05-2009, 03:41 AM

That night, I harden my feelings and told her that I'm sleeping already. No news from her there after. A few days later i sms her some help that i had done for her. She thanked me. Then another sms followed, “你是？” Well, all is clear now.

Me, “没关系，不重要了。”
WL,“可以打电话吗？”
Me, “不必了，没关系。”

bro shade...i think you were lucky to have seen thru her before any serious damage came upon you...

the way many of these FLs/WLs KC, top notch i tell you... sometimes very difficult to differentiate what's real and unreal.... fucking to them is just another day's work... why would that make any difference to them, if they were screwing one or the other, right?

but i can't say that of decent women... we all know that most men fuck first than love but women, generally love first than fuck...

and herein lies the psychological disadvantage for some men.... becos we screw these FLs/WLs , and with repeated fucks, suppers, outings, etc, there's always the tendency to fall emotionally in love with the favourite ones...forgetting that they merely fuck and still wont reciprocate their emotions..bcos as i alluded to just a para above... they come here to make a fucking living (punt intended)...and it makes no difference to them who they open legs for...as long as they are paid...

bro shade... not to miss out the fun factor after this depressing experience...one way is to turn the tables around....instead of encouraging these FLs/WLs to share their sob stories...you tell them about your bad day in the office...what a fucker a colleague has been...etc... take them as a vomit bin... afterall, you are paying them for their time already...so why not...hahaha :D:D

DO_YOU_BJ

13-05-2009, 05:45 AM

Well, like 1 bro who posted before: "Remember!!! When you go into the hotel room, KTV or HC, it is a DREAM. When you leave the place, just remember to wake up from your DREAM."

That was my quote dude.
Allow me to elaborate further on my earlier posts to add on and make the whole scheme of things complete.

Regardless, to you, the 1st and foremost thing that MUST happen is that you 2 click. This will already set the conditions and stage for the kill.

Next, they'll use either 希望计 or 同情计 to reel in you in.
This is the test water phase for them on you.
After that, once they feel you're on the hook, the 感情计 will ensue.
If you really read back or have personally gone thru or have friends who have gone through this storm, it's always the same.

同情计 is one of the most common tactics used.
They'll give you 1001 sad stories, owe who money la, husband, father or mom gamble owe money big time, kenna cheated till no choice must come here...then, as I'm sure many have experienced, the ROBIN HOOD in you will come forward, dun worry, your knight in shining armour has arrived.........DUMB
Once you fall into this, the 希望计will come in...u will think that she must really be indebted to you thus will also by now, think you're a damn nice reliable guy and thus plant her seeds of love in you.....but that's when they start digging liao
After this stage, the 感情计 will set in...namely after 2 person have been together for sometime liao
This one, though tactical, the appetite will increase plus knowing that you already kenna smitten by them, its no holds barred.............

It's always the same, Thai, Viet, Ang Moh or PRC.....fuck i can write a book liao
So, bottomline is, remember, you can play but never, and i mean never, use MORALS to gauge them, else the one who'll be fucked, will definitely not be them but you.
They suck u dry of $$$ and emotions and the cycle begins from zero for them again.
But the poor victim, so devastated and drained emotionally and financially, to come back up will alone already be a challenge.

If you read this for the 1st time, take heed, use this like a sutra and you'll survive, but if you're being KCed rite now, let this serve as a wake up call......cos in the end, the one who will be too ashamed to even surface again, trust me, will be no other than yourself!

funnyz

13-05-2009, 09:48 AM

That was my quote dude.
Allow me to elaborate further on my earlier posts to add on and make the whole scheme of things complete.

Regardless, to you, the 1st and foremost thing that MUST happen is that you 2 click. This will already set the conditions and stage for the kill.

Bro, I can't agree more with you regarding the 同情计希望计感情计. I was nearly burned the other time, fortunately the damage was minimal. Despite all the advices here. I'm still trying to get my winning formula right. However having said that, every girl personality is different. Still I enjoy the challenge every now and then.

I'm currently at the stage of 感情计, I did not fall for both the 同情计 & 希望计 though both was well executed by her. I equal the money I spent on her as going to one HC session. In this way, subconciously you still think of her as a WL not as a girlfriend or whatsoever.

Personally for me, the challenging part is the 感情计 because of the many lies and deceit involved. Whoever is the best actor or best actress wins. It's never about love and it's 100% about how much she can milk from you and when you are dry (though some may beg to differ).

All those experience shared in here are almost similar and at the end of the day, it's all about going in with your eyes opened. My words of wisdom is 'it's always the same shit, but different assholes' to people who think they are in heaven.

closetspacefull

13-05-2009, 10:39 AM

What's this about who KC who. Who benefit more from the relationship...
Mathematical equation shows u paid X amt of cash for Y amt of companionship.

Just like u go market and pay $10 for mangoes. What you paid for is what you get. Cannot be stall owner will suddenly give you additional banana, oranges, lychees for free right? That wasn't part of the agreement. If the stall owner is close, maybe can get free gift of one mangosteen in the hope of making you a repeat customer (basic of marketing & customer service), but can't expect her to keep on giving if you're not paying right?

Why are you looking for a deep heart-to-heart relationship with a woman who came to you selling her affection for cash? Why do u feel betrayed if she shows her lack of interest after you stop paying? Can you honestly say you're surprised???

There's a reason why people call it a hobby. Cause you're suppose to have fun. Just like collecting stamps, art, golf, u have to pay to play... When a hobby becomes the center of your life, then it becomes an obsession....

mike1304k

13-05-2009, 10:49 AM

closetspacefull

13-05-2009, 10:59 AM

oh of course, if you can use $100 and stretch a bonk into free sex etc... go for it, but also give chance to the meimei lah. If you're just having fun, cannot monopolize her and hurt her income right...

Just like if you are a sales person. Someone come to you and manage to negotiate a good price, at least some profit for you and transaction done. If someone come to you and make you work whole day, then decide not to buy so absolutely waste time, then he's a dick right.

People all making a living, all trying to have a good fun. Its human nature to try to get the best deal but what I cannot understand is the amount of angst in these pages. Its as if some posters expect the mei mei to give them their entire devotion just because they put in a dollars and time into the relationship... Even with normal girls, already difficult to really have a strong mutual loving and respectful relationship. Odds are damn low with FL lah...

hamster80

13-05-2009, 11:06 AM

Bro, I can't agree more with you regarding the 同情计希望计感情计. I was nearly burned the other time, fortunately the damage was minimal. Despite all the advices here. I'm still trying to get my winning formula right. However having said that, every girl personality is different. Still I enjoy the challenge every now and then.

I'm currently at the stage of 感情计, I did not fall for both the 同情计 & 希望计 though both was well executed by her. I equal the money I spent on her as going to one HC session. In this way, subconciously you still think of her as a WL not as a girlfriend or whatsoever.

Personally for me, the challenging part is the 感情计 because of the many lies and deceit involved. Whoever is the best actor or best actress wins. It's never about love and it's 100% about how much she can milk from you and when you are dry (though some may beg to differ).

All those experience shared in here are almost similar and at the end of the day, it's all about going in with your eyes opened. My words of wisdom is 'it's always the same shit, but different assholes' to people who think they are in heaven.

Lol....we should come out a book call the KC 36 计 - 如何预防手册 ;)

Confirm will sell like HOT cakes... Ahahahah !!