How far does the girl have to go before they are considered hookers?

[SirDennis]

Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?


Would you consider someone who only gives HJ's "clean" enough to be a gf, as opposed to a girl who does full on sex?


I've been thinking about this over the last few months. A few years ago, this would have been a very easy question to answer. But as I meet more girls in HC's and TN's, I've come across a grey area.

No, I'm not thinking of asking one out as a gf, but I've felt like it from time to time.

[NewandLost]

depends on ones moral compass. but practically if your wife had a job massaging dicks for a living how would that make you feel? esp if she prepared food for you after work? like
sushi?

[colins]

If you think she is clean, then she is clean lo. Just dun hide your own logic and do the reverse from what your level acceptance allows you to do. Who says even prostitutes cannot be gf? If you dun have any requirement from your gf, no judgement can affect you. It is only painful when you believe what others say is right, more 'right' than what you are doing.

Grey area doesn't exist in this context, only indecisiveness. But for instance, the presence of foreigner FL IS a grey area, becos the person in position decided that the area between the enactment and enforcement of such laws should be grey for the benefit of a higher priority. At the personal level, means between me myself and I, grey area = shakened principles.

Maybe this can save you another few months of thinking. ;)

[Panamera]

depends on ones moral compass. but practically if your wife had a job massaging dicks for a living how would that make you feel? esp if she prepared food for you after work? like
sushi?

wahahahaha..why sushi?

I just had sushi for dinner leh...:p

[NewandLost]

wahahahaha..why sushi?

I just had sushi for dinner leh...:pprepared with hands.

[colins]

Cos she's been preparing sushi for the whole damn day before she prepare yours.

Bro panamera obviously has not seen the process of which sushis are been prepared. hehe

[Panamera]

Cos she's been preparing sushi for the whole damn day before she prepare yours.

Bro panamera obviously has not seen the process of which sushis are been prepared. hehe

Thank goodness, my dinner was done by a male sushi chef..hehehehe :)

[NewandLost]

Thank goodness, my dinner was done by a male sushi chef..hehehehe :)

as long as the guy wore gloves and didnt come back from a restroom break or worse case whacked off before he made your food. i hope you put a lot of wasabi on it to kill the germs.

[Sexrider]

Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?


Would you consider someone who only gives HJ's "clean" enough to be a gf, as opposed to a girl who does full on sex?


I've been thinking about this over the last few months. A few years ago, this would have been a very easy question to answer. But as I meet more girls in HC's and TN's, I've come across a grey area.

No, I'm not thinking of asking one out as a gf, but I've felt like it from time to time.

Bro, it depends on your thinking and definition loh. I am thinking that the seduction is there. The initial motive to provide such services is for fun? for money? That is important. Unless the girl you know is reliable and has her principle, if not, step by step, she will be seduced by the moolah powder.

If you think she is a good candidate for gf, better try to understand her faster with calm mind. If you really want to commit, ask her to change job, if not, just move on.

I have been thinking this question by analysing different types of WLs, well, as I can see, normally for one normal girl (there are rare cases also) to fall into this line they have to change their minds first, that means most, their morale systems have collapsed. In this condition, it is hard to judge them by their "books" or boobs.

Sometimes some writter would like to make some stories romantic enough by written some romantic sentences or scenes in the stories. I myself would like to make my life feel romantic also. And some bros treat this kind of encounters as "fate". But after I thought many times, isn't that we male first pay moolah to visit these girls, then we knew them? It is ourselves who think in that way. But after saying this, bro, i sincerely not bias and I do believe all human beings are equal, no mater what their careers are!

Better talk to your inner self, only you know better. We can only give advices.

[NewandLost]

by no means a checklist but some variables to consider.
would she do if for free for you and you only? of does money or some other goods change hands ie LV bag.

[Kurosagi]

To be very frank wif the bros here, there are a lot of psychological issues from accepting an ex FL or WL because I've done it before... Yea it all started 02/07/07, i met up with a local FL here and we clicked almost instantly. I wanted to help her out of the cycle cus I was afraid this line would ruin her reputation in the future. Tat time she FL, smoke, go clubbing etc... Then after we're together she found a decent job at events firm... We weren't the richest couple but we were happy, but as a student I couldn't completely help her clear her debts... So can only scrimp save over time take $200 every month to pay back...

But happiness was not to be... I went for exchange program for 5 months and then she was alone, with no emotional support and desperate for money again and she turned back to FL, FL will always be an accessible source of income in their minds... I wanna tell Sexrider bro tat although you can tell yourself you dun mind her background (which i didn't) but it really hurts to know tat she's in the arms of other guys... And you may be completely helpless about it...

I insisted on not breaking up, and begged her to stop. When i returned to SG, it was really tough knowing that she was doing it to clear her debts but eventually she stopped for my sake... Just when I thought things would last, (even thought of ROM once i graduate cus she's slightly older wanna give her the security), she met a guy 3 weeks back... She's now moved on and I'm no longer her bf. 21 months of love, trust and dreams all shattered in 2 weeks...

If you really love that person, you must be able to endure the possible pain that you may recieve. To this day, I think god put me in her life for a reason and I hope she has a happy life with her new bf and never fall back into the FL which she struggled so hard to get out off.

So think wisely my fren... :(

[Snuber]

Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?

Would you consider someone who only gives HJ's "clean" enough to be a gf, as opposed to a girl who does full on sex?

A prostitute aka a WL is someone who sells sexual services for $$$. Her hands, body, pussy, etc are just "tools" used in the process. So the answer is a resounding "yes" imo.

Masseur and other titles are just, well......... titles. But the fact that she's a WL still remains.

How do you define "clean"??? Someone who only helps men to release via their hands only??? How abt those clients that shoot all over her when cumming??? Or those that groped her all around during the process?

If you are really looking for a gf from these type of places, I would suggest that you look at her personality instead, then you will see the real her.

If you just keep thinking abt her job and what she does, then I would advise you to forgo the whole thing. The emotional baggage is just too heavy

[DO_YOU_BJ]

The below will answer your question without a benefit of a doubt.
A decent gal will always think that all those gals who work as GROs or massage parlours are whores.
Why? Because as long as there's a sexual favour in return for cash, meaning transaction, its nottin short of prostitution.

Now, gal is in need of money, she got no choice become a nite club gal.
Well, she got her morals. Guys touch her hand, lap, shoulder and occasionally steals a kiss on her lip or cheek.
Now, has she become a prostitute?
No, to her she didnt.
Y, cos now she says, to have sexual intercourse, meaning penetration is called being a whore, anything other than that is not.
See how the perception has changed?

Now lets analyse the term prostitution.
It means selling the flesh for money.
To me, its very simple.
You cant just kiss any gal on the street, put your hand on the lap of the gal next to you on the MRT
Neither can you steal a peck or kiss from any gal on the street.
But, once you PAY and there is contact of the flesh, a transaction is already made.
Conclusion, already a whore!

A HJ is also a sexual act.
So why ask this question?
Simple, the answer is also above, once termed moral, but then, due to a need, discounts are immediately applied to make things easier for oneself to accept.
In layman term, its called SELF DECEPTION!

[simple2kee]

bro DO_YOU_BJ, u r really an expert in this field. im your fan.
salute!

[cunt_search]

To be ver... So can only scrimp save over time take $200 every month to pay back...

But...) but it really hurts to know tat she's in the arms of other guys... And you may be completely helpless about it...

I insisted on not breaking up, a...She's now moved on and I'm no longer her bf. 21 months of love, trust and dreams all shattered in 2 weeks...
.... To this day, I think god put me in her life for a reason and I hope she has a happy life with her new bf and never fall back into the FL which she struggled so hard to get out off.

So think wisely my fren... :(


there a time and place for everything; but think - u r there for her or she for u?;)
i went tru similar but juz take it as life experience, abeit diff from the general population stream...

The below will answer your question without a benefit of a doubt.
A decent gal will always think...

Now, gal is in need of money, she got no choice become a nite club gal.
Well, she got her morals. ..her she didnt.
Y...is not...See how the perception has changed?

Now lets analyse the term prostitution.
It means selling the flesh for money.
...
A HJ is also a sexual act.
...In layman term, its called SELF DECEPTION!

good dissertion...crystal clear, must be an Honours student, majoring in WL:D

[bangbangben]

Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?


Would you consider someone who only gives HJ's "clean" enough to be a gf, as opposed to a girl who does full on sex?


I've been thinking about this over the last few months. A few years ago, this would have been a very easy question to answer. But as I meet more girls in HC's and TN's, I've come across a grey area.

No, I'm not thinking of asking one out as a gf, but I've felt like it from time to time.

Prostitution is defined as the act of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for money or goods.
A prostitute is a person who engages in sexual activity in exchange for money.
Sexual Activity normally defined as any form of masturbation and sexual intercourse.

Now you have the answer, but is this the answer you are looking for?

Personally, It does not matter even if you have a whore, prostitute, hooker as your wife. What matters most is your own prospective and not others. If you are always looking for another person's opinion and following them, won't you be leading another person's life?

[colins]

So I guess the answer to Bro TS's question is, not very far. In fact, the switch between girl and hooker is 在一念之间.

[Oceanlee]

good dissertion...crystal clear, must be an Honours student, majoring in WL:D

Aheemmm .... our Bro DO_U_BJ is more than just a honours grads alright.
IMHO ... he is D professor already post-grads with thesis and practically with a PHD in WL, FL, TN, HFJ, in the world oldest trade and mind you ... he score well in Home-Economics also ... hehe

:D:p ... Tio bo bros .....
But then .. think about it, bro might just say "no lah, I just a grade slight better than you guys ... am still learners"..... :eek: wabahahahahaha.

Cheers.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Harlow frens, this thread got nottin to do wif me hor....just as usual sharing my very green novice virgin newbie nooby opinions only wat........
How come now all conversation about me liao wor???????????

[etct88]

wahahahaha..why sushi?

I just had sushi for dinner leh...:p

why? the sushi chef is gay????? which Jap restaurant... better dun go.. :D:D

[etct88]

bro DO_YOU_BJ, u r really an expert in this field. im your fan.
salute!

he is my idol... have PhD one... Dr DYB......;);)

[etct88]

as long as the guy wore gloves and didnt come back from a restroom break or worse case whacked off before he made your food. i hope you put a lot of wasabi on it to kill the germs.

wasibi don't kill the germs...... drink more hot saki, help better. Make you forget what you eat!:D:D

[lblittlebear]

Well, he could just PCC or he also have "boyfriends" :D

Thank goodness, my dinner was done by a male sushi chef..hehehehe :)

[Panamera]

See la, now T.S need another month to think why his question ended up with sushi? wahahahahaha :D

[Oceanlee]

Harlow frens, this thread got nottin to do wif me hor....just as usual sharing my very green novice virgin newbie nooby opinions only wat........
How come now all conversation about me liao wor???????????


Dun get work-up lah ..... so guys you all know oredi.
next time dun anyhow cracks on bro DO_U_BJ ok ...;)

back to the topic .... sushi okie ....:D

[Panamera]

Q1)Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?

Q2) Would you consider someone who only gives HJ's "clean" enough to be a gf, as opposed to a girl who does full on sex?

Bro SirDennis, Using sushi as an example since it seems like lots of bros here like sushi.

During the Edo period, sushi referred to Pickled fish conserved in vinegar. Nowadays sushi can be defined as A dish containing rice which has been prepared with sushi vinegar. There are many different types of sushi such as Nigiri, Gunkan, Norimaki, Temaki, Oshizushi, Inari, Chirashi.

Just like sushi, there are different form of sexual activities

Just like sushi, different types, different prices

Just like sushi, a HJ is a form of sexual service/activity

Just like sushi, need to use hand to perform a HJ

Just like sushi, it is not free

Is sushi good for You?

The answer is 'YES', however anyone eating fish, especially raw should be aware of the potential health concerns. Sushi is as safe as any other food as long as proper handling conditions are met. While certain individuals should take steps to minimize particular risks due to their current condition, for most of us, sushi is as safe as it is good for us.

It is wise to make Sensible Decisions as to where you will be eating sushi, and if an establishment looks as though it may not be taking the proper precautions, it is best avoided. Be smart and you should have no problems finding an enjoyable and delicious sushi meal.

Sushi, anyone? :D

To All Bros, Have a good weekend and party! Be happy and chill!

[cunt_search]

See la, now T.S need another month to think why his question ended up with sushi? wahahahahaha :D

:D:D
peng sang:D

[SirDennis]

Thanks everyone who contributed!

I was curious what other bro's thought, because in the Health Centre thread- many ppl write - "only HJ, no hanky panky", as if HJ's have nothing to do with "real sex" (a bit like BJ's in the Bill Clinton scandel, if you know what I mean).

Also, I asked one of my best friends this question last month. He's really into the TN and Orchard Tower's scene and has threesomes every couple of months, so I thought he'd be the one to ask. He said that masseurs who only do HJ are just masseurs who give a bit extra. They arent hookers. Hookers are those who offer full on sex.


Thanks for getting my feet back on the ground again.


HJ's are sex for money, and yes- if you like a hooker, it's up to you whether you can handle it or not.

[LostALau]

wahahahaha..why sushi?

I just had sushi for dinner leh...:p

What about those Ah neh uncles who make roti prata with the same hands that are used to wash their backsides? :eek:

[colins]

Eh bros...dun like that leh, sooner or later we'll have nothing left to eat. ;)

[HCKing]

Also, I asked one of my best friends this question last month. He's really into the TN and Orchard Tower's scene and has threesomes every couple of months, so I thought he'd be the one to ask. He said that masseurs who only do HJ are just masseurs who give a bit extra. They arent hookers. Hookers are those who offer full on sex.


Thanks for getting my feet back on the ground again.


HJ's are sex for money, and yes- if you like a hooker, it's up to you whether you can handle it or not.

relax lah bro, girls that do HJ only are nt hookers, they are known as Manhood Treatment Specialists.:D

[warbird]

Pls allow me to play devil's advocate...

Is an educated virgin-ger from a respectable family who marries a rich man for his fortune a prostitute?:eek: I personally know more than a few such gers.

How about a male specialist medical doctor in training who ditched a pretty ger whom he loved n married a tycoon's homely daughter? I know of such a person. Is he not a prostitute?:eek:

Your comments?

Good day!

[tanterry]

Prostitution is defined as the act of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for money or good

The word "prostitution" may be used to indicate:
1. The exposing or otherwise offering oneself or someone else (the ‘prostitute’) with the purpose of tempting potential customers to exchange money or goods for the promise of cooperativeness in sexual intercourse from the exposed person;
2. The exchange (‘prostitution agreement’), mentioned under (1);
3. The sexual intercourse, coming about between two persons immediately after a prostitution agreement (see (2)) was concluded concerning them as prostitute (see (1)) and prostitution customer (see (1));
4. The joint actions as mentioned under (1) and (2), (2) and (3), or (1), (2) and (3);
5. The habit or profession to engage in prostitution, in one of the above given meanings, in the role of exposer or exposed (see (1));
6. The branch of business, or subculture, of organised or institutionalised professional prostitution (see (5));
7. The fact that, in some society, on the one hand people prostitute or are being prostituted (meaning (1)), and on the other hand people are prepared to pay in money or goods for a prostitution agreement (see (2)).

prostitution is known as one of the earliest trades in human history. So who and what rules it? demand and supply. However, not many admit they are in this profession due to its association with immorality. They are often marginalized in society. And so that makes up the differences between mistress and wife, isnt it? ;)

[windass]

just 2c from a newbie

whether a gal is clean enough is really subjective. there are still many men who won't even accept a non-virgin so where do we draw a line? so at the end of the day no matter what others say, the bottom line is still about whether you can accept a WL as a gf.

if you can then go ahead but don't get burnt, and if you can't, move on.

[cunt_search]

FL, WL - pay n screw
marry rich - erybody want (i oso wan) - now the world is no longer pure , who can gurantee tru love; even not marry rich does not imply dun go play hanky panky outside

FL, WL - multiple
marry - mono , on the surface at least; n ery man njoy of the chance to "tou chi"?:D

[Panamera]

Yo Bro, Thanks for the chat. Have a super weekend and chill! Panamera

[LostALau]

What about those Ah neh uncles who make roti prata with the same hands that are used to wash their backsides? :eek:

Eh bros...dun like that leh, sooner or later we'll have nothing left to eat. ;)

Bro colins, Thank u for expressing your disagreement openly here and with humour too. :D

To the senior bro who zapped me with the remarks 'I disagree' without leaving a name I have to say that everybody is entitled to his opinion so u have the right to disagree.

When posting, I already know that my post will invite some zapping, especially from Indian bros who may find it racist. For that I offer my apology and I can assure u that it is not my intention. I am just using the roti prata man as an example as they use their two hands to roll and spread the dough. I was trying to put across the message that it is fine to marry a masseuse who handles pricks as long as they wash their hands after working. Actually I was also thinking of using the gynae as another example as they use their hands to handle pussies during delivery. After some thought I refrain from that in case it may offend the medical community and one day when I end up in hospital with some sickness, they may conspire to give me some wrong medicine to make my stomach run or maybe even kill me. (Another remarks which can cause massive zapping)
To choose between the two, a zap of 3 points, or even all my points is better than to pay with my health or life.

[SirDennis]

Pls allow me to play devil's advocate...

Is an educated virgin-ger from a respectable family who marries a rich man for his fortune a prostitute?:eek: I personally know more than a few such gers.

How about a male specialist medical doctor in training who ditched a pretty ger whom he loved n married a tycoon's homely daughter? I know of such a person. Is he not a prostitute?:eek:

Your comments?

Good day!


You have some good points to debate Warbird.


I dont think they are prostitutes per se, since the person they are marrying is not purely just after sex, even though the other person is going for the money.

But they are still gold diggers.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Wat racist?
Its just a matter of opinion & I'll respect that, as long as the post has objectivity to it.
Then again, the prata man....didnt u know the most so called highest ranking sillyporean is also aka the PRATA MAN??????????????????????????

[Panamera]

To the senior bro who zapped me with the remarks 'I disagree' without leaving a name I have to say that everybody is entitled to his opinion so u have the right to disagree..... I am just using the roti prata man as an example.....

To the nameless Power 5 senior bro, I respect your opinion of not liking my sushi posting.Thank you.I've made some good bros 2day though..Have a super weekend and chill!.:D

[LostALau]

Wat racist?
Its just a matter of opinion & I'll respect that, as long as the post has objectivity to it.
Then again, the prata man....didnt u know the most so called highest ranking sillyporean is also aka the PRATA MAN??????????????????????????

Hahaha, how can I not know????!!!!!

[warbird]

You have some good points to debate Warbird.


I dont think they are prostitutes per se, since the person they are marrying is not purely just after sex, even though the other person is going for the money.

But they are still gold diggers..

Good point bro.

IMHO, the fact that a "buyer" wants more than just sex doesn't make the "seller" morally superior.

Most cheongsters here who visit FLs/WLs n most bros who bao yang PRC MMs want more than just sex.

If we use the broad defintion of prostitute, "a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money or other form of compensation," then many more people in this world may be considered "prostitutes." What is "base n unworthy" can be very subjective, depending on perception, culture, creed n beliefs, etc. If we add the mysterious Rashomon effect...it will open a can of worms:eek:

Goodnight!!

[colins]

.

If we use the broad defintion of prostitute, "a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money or other form of compensation," then many more people in this world may be considered "prostitutes." What is "base n unworthy" can be very subjective, depending on perception, culture, creed n beliefs, etc. If we add the mysterious Rashomon effect...it will open a can of worms:eek:

Goodnight!!

Huh? I din know I was prostituting since I was enlisted! hahahaha....just kidding ;)

[colins]

Bro colins, Thank u for expressing your disagreement openly here and with humour too. :D

To the senior bro who zapped me with the remarks 'I disagree' without leaving a name I have to say that everybody is entitled to his opinion so u have the right to disagree.

When posting, I already know that my post will invite some zapping, especially from Indian bros who may find it racist. For that I offer my apology and I can assure u that it is not my intention. I am just using the roti prata man as an example as they use their two hands to roll and spread the dough. I was trying to put across the message that it is fine to marry a masseuse who handles pricks as long as they wash their hands after working. Actually I was also thinking of using the gynae as another example as they use their hands to handle pussies during delivery. After some thought I refrain from that in case it may offend the medical community and one day when I end up in hospital with some sickness, they may conspire to give me some wrong medicine to make my stomach run or maybe even kill me. (Another remarks which can cause massive zapping)
To choose between the two, a zap of 3 points, or even all my points is better than to pay with my health or life.

Ah bro....you read too much into those reactions to your posts liao. I din disagree, hell I dun even have the right to, but from sushi to prata is a little overkill to illustrate just one point. But man, a lousy post do not warrant any attempt on your life! If it is meant to be funny, it IS funny becos seriously it isn't. Also a matter of overkill. So case close ok, lest we get out of hand digressing from main topic. Take it easy dude ;)

[lacasasasa]

Pls allow me to play devil's advocate...

Is an educated virgin-ger from a respectable family who marries a rich man for his fortune a prostitute?:eek: I personally know more than a few such gers.

How about a male specialist medical doctor in training who ditched a pretty ger whom he loved n married a tycoon's homely daughter? I know of such a person. Is he not a prostitute?:eek:

Your comments?

Good day!

Thats a good 1 Bro!

[Sexrider]

I wanna tell Sexrider bro tat although you can tell yourself you dun mind her background (which i didn't) but it really hurts to know tat she's in the arms of other guys... And you may be completely helpless about it...

bro, i am a victim also. Some WLs can't be helped, totally useless. Some WLs can be helped. Well, I just afraid the TS might get conned. Therefore he must judge himself loh.

Btw, just want to say, the WL i met last time even worst, I questioned her why she wants to ditch me to go to work. She said,"I am only selling my pussy to fetch good money to customers, no feeling involve. With you, I have the felliing ." I was like....... :confused::eek:

Well, in the end of the day, (now I tell myself), don't let the small head rules over the big head. If these encounters being changed into questions and written in exam paper, I think we can answer better. :o

[MrElixir]

Ya bro true

[FL Lover]

bro, i am a victim also. Some WLs can't be helped, totally useless. Some WLs can be helped. Well, I just afraid the TS might get conned. Therefore he must judge himself loh.

Btw, just want to say, the WL i met last time even worst, I questioned her why she wants to ditch me to go to work. She said,"I am only selling my pussy to fetch good money to customers, no feeling involve. With you, I have the felliing ." I was like....... :confused::eek:

Well, in the end of the day, (now I tell myself), don't let the small head rules over the big head. If these encounters being changed into questions and written in exam paper, I think we can answer better. :o

Bro, chiong more and you will be numb to all those things that FLs had said. Its always the same old thing... Either you can FnF (fuck and forget) or just play their games if you are seasoned enough.

To play their games, 3 things only:
1) Cheats and Lies with your eyes wide open. (Of course dont do to extreme lah like cheating their $$)
2) Dont put your heart into it. Feelings can be FAKED but once you put yor heart into it, you are gone. Can be done but not easy loh.
3) Are you hard heartened enough? Make sure that your ears are not that "soft" and discounted whatever they said. Not easy to do that too!!

If not, just FnF. Better safe than sorry... :cool:

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Bro, chiong more and you will be numb to all those things that FLs had said. Its always the same old thing... Either you can FnF (fuck and forget) or just play their games if you are seasoned enough.

To play their games, 3 things only:
1) Cheats and Lies with your eyes wide open. (Of course dont do to extreme lah like cheating their $$)
2) Dont put your heart into it. Feelings can be FAKED but once you put yor heart into it, you are gone. Can be done but not easy loh.
3) Are you hard heartened enough? Make sure that your ears are not that "soft" and discounted whatever they said. Not easy to do that too!!



Aiyoh, well said la brudder.
To catch a thief, you must be a bigger thief.
That's Y, like i always say, when dealing wif WLs, u can like wat you see...THAT's IT! Cannot have anything or want anything more.
Its all about lies and deceit.
Y so cruel????
Cos its exactly wat they're doin.

Want anything more, be prepared to be the victim of your own doin!

[ManInCheong]

Basically...how far consider hooker ar?

All i know is hooker should be better than conman or thief or snatch n run.
But a word of advise...unless you already get your CPF or dreaming of Andy Lau's movie type of romances, just play and pay. Kena TOTO also can la...otherwise 10k pay per month also no use.

[cunt_search]

wat hookers, hook u into beleiving u r the special one ah?
For PRC, never give gifts!!!!:confused:
the demand is never ending n never satisfy:mad:
juz pay and screw and f' off!!:D

[LostALau]

What about those Ah neh uncles who make roti prata with the same hands that are used to wash their backsides? :eek:

Eh bros...dun like that leh, sooner or later we'll have nothing left to eat. ;)

Bro colins, Thank u for expressing your disagreement openly here and with humour too. :D

To the senior bro who zapped me with the remarks 'I disagree' without leaving a name I have to say that everybody is entitled to his opinion so u have the right to disagree.

When posting, I already know that my post will invite some zapping, .....

Please refer to the above posts before reading this.
I received a PM from a good bro telling me that Bro colins is a good guy and would not zap me. I was stunned!

If one read between the line, it would indicate that I was lauding Bro colins for his open-minded attitude in expressing his disagreement with my remarks openly and with humour. This is the kind of attitude which some bros sorely lack. I have read many postings by Bro Colins and know very well that he is a true gentleman.

My personal agenda is to be here to share knowledge and experience. If there is any disagreement due to our educational level, personal experience and exposure, we should agree to disagree and not use the knife given to us by boss to knife one another from the back.

However, if one really wishes to knife another, at least let him know who has stabbed him instead of make him scratch his head until the skin come out wondering who the monkey is.

I hope bro colins and other bros take note f this and not misunderstand my msg. To the good bro who advised (not adviced) me, thanks for bringing this to my attention and wish u the best of everything :)

[colins]

Oh come on, I'm not senior in the first place, at least I hope not. haha...
No offense man. Thanks bro panamera for speaking on my behalf, bro lostalau surely did not hint that it was me la.

You are right, we come here and make friends, listen to all types of stories and try our best to our knowledge to bring relief for bros who have heavy burdens. We come here to get better ourselves. Personally I usually leave a name whether it is approve or disapprove, but recently taken an interest to find clone-like characters (those with massive one-liner posts) to put 'clone' on their zap message. I reckon it is fair to give it to them cos they are abusing the system. And no, bro lostalau is not among them. If not, I wouldnt be able to up him now.

Take it sleazy bros. ;)

[Panamera]

Bro Colins, dun mind me.:D

Bro LostALau, you must teach us the 九阳真经秘诀 once you mastered it from your Sifu, Darkmatterxx..wahahahahaha...:D

[HCKing]

relax and chill bros, whether up or zap, life still goes on. i have been zapped dont knw hw many times since i joined and posted in this forum, sometimes on the verge of going into moderation but i have also been upped many times by nice bros, i came to realise that as long as u continue to speak yr mind and contribute positively there r sure to be bros who appreciate yr thoughts and up u 4 them. for those who choose to zap, well we cant satisfy everyone in life can we? whether is it zapped by main account holder or the clones its still the same guy who do the zapping so just let it be lor.:D

[ManInCheong]

Bro Colins, dun mind me.:D

Bro LostALau, you must teach us the 九阳真经秘诀 once you mastered it from your Sifu, Darkmatterxx..wahahahahaha...:D

Waa...this skill still exist ar...but...confirm can fight PRC's 吸精大法 and 吸金大法 or not? :D

[LostALau]

Waa...this skill still exist ar...but...confirm can fight PRC's 吸精大法 and 吸金大法 or not? :D

Hahaha, we will see about it. Maybe call for a 'wu lin da hui'

[ManInCheong]

Hahaha, we will see about it. Maybe call for a 'wu lin da hui'

I think 华山论贱 would be better :D

[Compliments]

Do you guys think a girl who does massages and only HJ's is a prostitute, or just a masseur who gives a little extra?


To me at least in my context , even posing as nude model will be deemed "hookers" to me. A point of view from a conservative person. Of course, not those ang mo doing nude sunbathing on the beach.:)

[casannova03]

A prostitute/hooker is one who engages in acts of sexual nature for monetary returns.

This definition is regardless of the person's gender/race/acts/age reason they got into the trade etc ..etc...

Well, that's a clear-cut definition! and it doesn't matter how big or small or cheap or expensive or the sexual acts is....I think they will still fall into the same "catergory".

Consider this:

Who's a "garang-guni" ??

1.) The one who collects old newspapers and cardboards??
2.) The one who collects empty drink cans from rubbish bins??
3.) The one who collects used TVs/Hifis/electronics??
4.) The one who collects old clothes?
5.) The one who collects "ti lams", beds, sofas etc??
6.) The one who collect waste metals??
7.) The one who collects plastic parts??
8.) The one who collects used handphones??

ETC... ETC...

Well, They're all called "garang gunis!!"

Does it matter what they collect to sell and to recycle?? from where? at where?? at what price?? newer pieces vs older pieces? high class vs low class??

Answer = NO!;)

That's a rather clear analogy of a definition i hope...well, for whether you can accept or not...I think I've spoken many times on this already as some bros know....so search around for the answers ba!!

Cheers!!:D:D

[Sexrider]

To play their games, 3 things only:
1) Cheats and Lies with your eyes wide open. (Of course dont do to extreme lah like cheating their $$)
2) Dont put your heart into it. Feelings can be FAKED but once you put yor heart into it, you are gone. Can be done but not easy loh.
3) Are you hard heartened enough? Make sure that your ears are not that "soft" and discounted whatever they said. Not easy to do that too!!

If not, just FnF. Better safe than sorry... :cool:

Agreed! Tried and found that it is not easy at all. :o


To catch a thief, you must be a bigger thief.
That's Y, like i always say, when dealing wif WLs, u can like wat you see...THAT's IT! Cannot have anything or want anything more.
Its all about lies and deceit.
Y so cruel????
Cos its exactly wat they're doin.

Want anything more, be prepared to be the victim of your own doin!

Yeah, must be a bigger thief. And I just afraid that it is a one way trip, meaning after that won't come back to own self. :o
And that is why I gave up in the end. Don't want to ruin my "remaining" life.

[GreenHorny]

Nice debate on the term prostitution. in my opinion, prostitution should be classified into several degrees.

First Degree of Prostitution: Night Club gals that just accompany you to drink, let you touch and kiss a bit here and there. perhaps show u her boobs.

2nd Degree of Prostitution: Poviding HJ, allowing autoroaming

3rd Degree of Prostitution: Boobs Massage, Blowjob, allowing autoroaming plus fingering

4th Degree of Prostitution: Everything above plus penetration into pussy

5th Degree of Prostitution: Everything above including anal penetration, ass rimming, cum in mouth, swallow cum.

Thats my categorizing. Anything 3rd degree n above, i would consider a full blown whore..haha...pls do not flame me if u dun agree, juz my 2 cents worth.

[SirDennis]

Greenhorny,

I find that people are divided into two camps.

Those who think any type of sexually related service makes the girl a full on hooker, and those who see degrees of sexual services, where a girl who does not provide full on intercourse is not a hooker.

It's been eye opening to me, because I've found some of the girls who are degree 1,2 and 3, in your list, are actually pretty friendly people who I wouldnt mind meeting in cleaner, more normal ciscumstances.

[yoursecret]

Does a girl who allows you to have sex with her because you buy her dinner and gifts count as a prostitute?

Does it count if she does the same thing with anyone who treats her well materially?

Isn't it the attitude rather than the "service" that matters?

[Panamera]

Insightful and eye opening for me as well. Thanks to all bros.

[colins]

Does a girl who allows you to have sex with her because you buy her dinner and gifts count as a prostitute?

Does it count if she does the same thing with anyone who treats her well materially?

Isn't it the attitude rather than the "service" that matters?

I guess it is easier to answer your question by changing the noun (prostitute) to a verb (prostituting). If this girl has intention to acquire favours by sleeping with you, whether in material or otherwise, then she is prostituting herself. Such can be proven by her consistency, like if she sleeps with many men to get presents or by naming what she gets to the man before the 'service'.

Actually, we can easily be confused by the word 'prostitute' as our common preconception of such a person is someone who dress scantily and waiting for a customer on the street. For all your know, she sells 槟榔 but never let anybody touch her. It is confusion between what we perceived and what we believe. Anyway, defining such terms goes nowhere la, nobody will know what is in their mind. As I said, whether they are prostitute or not is just 一念之差.

[yoursecret]

I guess if we use the term "sex worker" it might be more useful here.

Lots of other people prostitute themselves for money... and not just through sex....

[SirDennis]

Would your opinions change if the woman exchanged sex for services instead, like she has sex with him, and he pays for her course?

Of course kept mistresses are hookers, simply more successful ones.

[hamster80]

hmmm...What does she have to do before she is classify as a hooker?

It depends whether you want to go by Definition or based on your Moral Grounds?

Based on Definition = Exchange money for sexual intercourse (absolutely no debate here)

Based on Your Moral grounds = BJ? BBBJ? HJ? Boobs Massage? Strip Dance? You got to ask yourself liao? What is your acceptance level

To me...HJ is already one foot into being a hooker...:rolleyes:

[suteerak1099]

a woman becomes a whore, when she weighs herself against monetary/material value.

scenario1: girl goes on a date with a prospecting suitor

girl: "i'm a lil hungry, where r u taking me for dinner?"
guy: "ummmm..... what do u feel like having? chinese? western? jap? korean?..."
girl: "i'm not fussy, as long as its air conditioned is fine with me"
guy: "ok, sure i know 1 that's round the corner"
(guy takes her to air conditioned food court)

girl: "y of all places did u bring me here?"
guy: "but i thought u said........" (girl flares up)
girl: "this is supposed to be a date, u bring me to food court, what do u take me as?!! u think i'm so cheap??!"

verdict: she's a whore

scenario2: a couple's been dating for awhile, the guy is about to surprise her with a handmade gift for the anniversary, when out on a date

(guy springs the neatly wrapped gift n offers it to his gf)
girl: "gasp, how sweet, what's this?"
guy: "i prepared this lil gift, cos today marks our 6th month being together"
girl: "gosh, u've been counting? aww... so sweet, i can't wait to see what's inside" (leans to give him a peck on the cheek)
guy: "well, go ahead! i hope u like it..."
(girl unwraps the gift, open the box, and went emotion-less)

guy: "surprised huh? do u like it? i made it........." (girl flairs up)
girl: "we've been dating for 6 mths, n this is your idea of a gift?! is this how much u value our relationship? so i'm worth nothing more than just some recycled off-cut material??!?!?"
guy: "hey, i'm sorry, but i made it myself, i thought u'd like it, it took me some weeks to assemble it"
(girl continues her flare)

verdict: she's a whore

scenario3: couple goes shopping, walks into a boutique, girl like a dress very much

girl: "hunny, what do u think of this dress?"
guy: "yeah, looks good, but i think it's gonna cost a bomb"
girl: "i wonder how it looks on me?"
guy: "babe, u look good in anything, cos u're beautiful"
girl: "hunny, hold this for me, while i go try it on... u be my critic"
guy: "ok, i'll be browsing in that corner, come out when u're done fitting"
(girl fits the dress, comes out to show her bf)

girl: "eh-herm..... what do u think hunny?"
guy: "look at u...... told u u'd look good in anything"
girl: "i think i want this dress"
guy: "but we just bought 1 moments ago"
girl: "yeah, but i think this 1 will come in handy for @@@ & ###'s wedding 2 wks from now"
guy: "but, how much is it? i'm sure its gonna....... "
girl: "it's $XXXX only........ " (flash her innocent face)
guy: "wtf!? that's a little too much for a dress"
girl: "hunny, how much do u love me?"

verdict: she's a whore

[hamster80]

Wa Bro that's very harsh..

Like that 50% of the girls in Singapore all define as whore liao...

Somemore all your examples are referring to dating couple...

My gf also will complain when I spend too little on her...and too much on myself :D

[cheeky-cheeky]

a woman becomes a whore, when she weighs herself against monetary/material value.

Fun to read bro, but definitely cannot be used to define whether one is a whore or not. Just like bro hamster say, like that every gal is already... :D

Nevertheless, funny to read, sure will brighten ones day...

thks

[cunt_search]

a woman becomes a whore, when she weighs herself against monetary/material value.

scenario1: girl goes on a date with a prospecting suitor
(guy takes her to air conditioned food court)
u think i'm so cheap??!"
verdict: she's a whore

scenario2: a couple's been dating for awhile,
how much u value[/U] our relationship? so i'm worth nothing more than just some recycled off-cut material??!?!?"
verdict: she's a whore

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]scenario3: couple goes shopping, walks into a boutique, girl like a dress very much
guy: "but, how much is it? i'm sure its gonna....... "
girl: "it's $XXXX only........ " (flash her innocent face)
girl: "hunny, how much do u love me?"

verdict: she's a whore

hey, now we know wat constitute a whore, :D
seem like Bro suteerak1099 equate greedy to whore...
maybe Bro suteerak1099 wan 2 define when a gal is not a whore :p

[GreenHorny]

would like to share some thoughts here...

basically someone who sells or exchanges her body for something in return is considered a prostitute. One point is that the deal must be made before the deed. Meaning like the street whores, you know after u fuck u mus pay money. Or like an newbie actress trying to get a lead role offer to sleep with the director. This is also consider an act of prostituition to me. Lucky to say, few sg gals are in this category.

However on the other hand, if a gal you have been dating/sleeping with, ask u for an expensive gift. This I dun think should be considered an act of prostituition. Can only say she is a money minded materialistic bitch. How expensive the gift will mean how materialistic she is. Sad to say, many sg gals fall into this category.

There is a category that falls into the grey region: gals kena bao-ed by sugar daddy. Dunno is prostitues a not. Lets just say she is a loyal prostitute ba...haha...

just my 2cents worth...pls do not flame me if ur opinion differs..

[FL Lover]

a woman becomes a whore, when she weighs herself against monetary/material value.

scenario1: girl goes on a date with a prospecting suitor

girl: "i'm a lil hungry, where r u taking me for dinner?"
guy: "ummmm..... what do u feel like having? chinese? western? jap? korean?..."
girl: "i'm not fussy, as long as its air conditioned is fine with me"
guy: "ok, sure i know 1 that's round the corner"
(guy takes her to air conditioned food court)

girl: "y of all places did u bring me here?"
guy: "but i thought u said........" (girl flares up)
girl: "this is supposed to be a date, u bring me to food court, what do u take me as?!! u think i'm so cheap??!"

verdict: she's a whore

scenario2: a couple's been dating for awhile, the guy is about to surprise her with a handmade gift for the anniversary, when out on a date

(guy springs the neatly wrapped gift n offers it to his gf)
girl: "gasp, how sweet, what's this?"
guy: "i prepared this lil gift, cos today marks our 6th month being together"
girl: "gosh, u've been counting? aww... so sweet, i can't wait to see what's inside" (leans to give him a peck on the cheek)
guy: "well, go ahead! i hope u like it..."
(girl unwraps the gift, open the box, and went emotion-less)

guy: "surprised huh? do u like it? i made it........." (girl flairs up)
girl: "we've been dating for 6 mths, n this is your idea of a gift?! is this how much u value our relationship? so i'm worth nothing more than just some recycled off-cut material??!?!?"
guy: "hey, i'm sorry, but i made it myself, i thought u'd like it, it took me some weeks to assemble it"
(girl continues her flare)

verdict: she's a whore

scenario3: couple goes shopping, walks into a boutique, girl like a dress very much

girl: "hunny, what do u think of this dress?"
guy: "yeah, looks good, but i think it's gonna cost a bomb"
girl: "i wonder how it looks on me?"
guy: "babe, u look good in anything, cos u're beautiful"
girl: "hunny, hold this for me, while i go try it on... u be my critic"
guy: "ok, i'll be browsing in that corner, come out when u're done fitting"
(girl fits the dress, comes out to show her bf)

girl: "eh-herm..... what do u think hunny?"
guy: "look at u...... told u u'd look good in anything"
girl: "i think i want this dress"
guy: "but we just bought 1 moments ago"
girl: "yeah, but i think this 1 will come in handy for @@@ & ###'s wedding 2 wks from now"
guy: "but, how much is it? i'm sure its gonna....... "
girl: "it's $XXXX only........ " (flash her innocent face)
guy: "wtf!? that's a little too much for a dress"
girl: "hunny, how much do u love me?"

verdict: she's a whore

Like that every girls can be classified as whore liao... hahahah... Bro, only one type of girl can meet yor requirement. Those ger living in the mountain, village type who only knows how to farm, sex and give babies to u, then can classify as pure instead of whore.

[suteerak1099]

Wa Bro that's very harsh..

Like that 50% of the girls in Singapore all define as whore liao...

Somemore all your examples are referring to dating couple...

My gf also will complain when I spend too little on her...and too much on myself :D

Fun to read bro, but definitely cannot be used to define whether one is a whore or not. Just like bro hamster say, like that every gal is already... :D

Nevertheless, funny to read, sure will brighten ones day...

thks

hey, now we know wat constitute a whore, :D
seem like Bro suteerak1099 equate greedy to whore...
maybe Bro suteerak1099 wan 2 define when a gal is not a whore :p i know it seems quite demeaning to equate most girls as whores, but let's get the facts straight. if the girl is incapable of making her own livelihood, where she needs a man to afford her material pleasures, fine, perhaps she should marry the man n be his wife. (reminder: hubby should be paying for her needs, not wants)

in today's context, girls fight so hard for gender equality, most of them educated & capable of their own expenses, so why make the man pay for her wants? not to mention, despite their own earning capacity, they equate the value/amount expended on her, to how much the man values her or her companionship.....

if that is not a whore, then woman that get paid for companionship (with or without favor in return) shouldn't be called whores.

[cablesnwires]

Interesting, and to bring in more confusion to this subject :D What about girls who just loves ONS, no money involved, just pure nymphomaniac in nature? Is she a whore too? :D :p

[NewandLost]

Interesting, and to bring in more confusion to this subject :D What about girls who just loves ONS, no money involved, just pure nymphomaniac in nature? Is she a whore too? :D :p no money upfront as in downpayment or are you talking about pay at a later date? Pay includes non currency exchange such as barter ie. LV bag, mobile, electronics gear, loan gurantees, etc. you name it the gal is clever. better at bargaining than you and better in fianancial transctions than you. maybe you sell derivatives for a living in sg but she structure stuff you dont even know hit you until they become due because you are in the KC zone.

[tuxedosam]

i know it seems quite demeaning to equate most girls as whores, but let's get the facts straight. if the girl is incapable of making her own livelihood, where she needs a man to afford her material pleasures, fine, perhaps she should marry the man n be his wife. (reminder: hubby should be paying for her needs, not wants)

in today's context, girls fight so hard for gender equality, most of them educated & capable of their own expenses, so why make the man pay for her wants? not to mention, despite their own earning capacity, they equate the value/amount expended on her, to how much the man values her or her companionship.....

if that is not a whore, then woman that get paid for companionship (with or without favor in return) shouldn't be called whores.

interesting perspective, bro... can't say i agree with you 100%, or at least with the way you put it, but i concede there is a certain logic to it all. maybe, it's just called 'sexual politics'? it's a complicated issue though...let's not oversimplify things... anyway, we don't exactly live in an egalitarian world. nothing is truly equal, even if that's a nice ideal to strive towards. and within a relationship (straight, gay, FB or whatever else), no one can really say the partners are 'equal' in every sense 100% of the time, can you? there is always something dynamic going on.

hmph, there is nothing wrong with feminists (of either gender) who are genuinely interested in creating a level playing field...but i agree that there definitely exist a few casual, armchair varieties who dun know a thing about gender emancipation, but who KPKB about inequality or unfairness when it suits them, but who otherwise conform to the standards, stereotypes and expectations of a patriarchal world. dun dress like a slut and use your feminine 'charm' to climb that corporate ladder, only to complain about the glass ceiling when it could well be your own deficiencies holding you back. and dun call yourself an unapologetic feminist if you expect men to treat you like a queen, be an ATM for you all the time, or be moved by the way you engage in flirtatious games of sexual tension.

but i wouldn't call all of these sorts of women hookers la. sluts maybe, in some cases, but we gotta be more precise with our terminology. maybe a lot of women do fall somewhere along this continuum of 'material-stuff-for-sexual-favours' tendencies but the harlots lie only at one extremity. doesn't make them better or worse, because they are only human as well. but there are qualitative differences that have to be recognised too. i dunno la. sexism and misogyny, whether it involves crap being mouthed by an MCP or internalised behaviour on the part of women, is just plain wrong in the 21st century lor. for starters, i try not to perpetuate this ideological business by making sure i try to treat my female friends and acquaintances in a way that doesn't fall back on expectations of them conforming to some sexist stereotype. actions count, not words la. and not all women are like the materialistic, greedy and hypocritical archetype we've been describing, that's for sure. and that doesn't mean they're all demure, sweet and accommodating either, heh. but maybe men and women ARE just fundamentally different. i may disagree but that's another story.

[rogerlim]

As long as they are paid for having sex with other male counter parts, its considered a sex trade. Although i would refrain from using the word hookers as i would have preferred it as a form of "profession" like the rest of us who are working etc.

[suteerak1099]

interesting perspective, bro... can't say i agree with you 100%, or at least with the way you put it, but i concede there is a certain logic to it all. maybe, it's just called 'sexual politics'? it's a complicated issue though...let's not oversimplify things... anyway, we don't exactly live in an egalitarian world. nothing is truly equal, even if that's a nice ideal to strive towards. and within a relationship (straight, gay, FB or whatever else), no one can really say the partners are 'equal' in every sense 100% of the time, can you? there is always something dynamic going on.

hmph, there is nothing wrong with feminists (of either gender) who are genuinely interested in creating a level playing field...but i agree that there definitely exist a few casual, armchair varieties who dun know a thing about gender emancipation, but who KPKB about inequality or unfairness when it suits them, but who otherwise conform to the standards, stereotypes and expectations of a patriarchal world. dun dress like a slut and use your feminine 'charm' to climb that corporate ladder, only to complain about the glass ceiling when it could well be your own deficiencies holding you back. and dun call yourself an unapologetic feminist if you expect men to treat you like a queen, be an ATM for you all the time, or be moved by the way you engage in flirtatious games of sexual tension.

but i wouldn't call all of these sorts of women hookers la. sluts maybe, in some cases, but we gotta be more precise with our terminology. maybe a lot of women do fall somewhere along this continuum of 'material-stuff-for-sexual-favours' tendencies but the harlots lie only at one extremity. doesn't make them better or worse, because they are only human as well. but there are qualitative differences that have to be recognised too. i dunno la. sexism and misogyny, whether it involves crap being mouthed by an MCP or internalised behaviour on the part of women, is just plain wrong in the 21st century lor. for starters, i try not to perpetuate this ideological business by making sure i try to treat my female friends and acquaintances in a way that doesn't fall back on expectations of them conforming to some sexist stereotype. actions count, not words la. and not all women are like the materialistic, greedy and hypocritical archetype we've been describing, that's for sure. and that doesn't mean they're all demure, sweet and accommodating either, heh. but maybe men and women ARE just fundamentally different. i may disagree but that's another story. apologies for my late response. well, i suppose each is entitled his own belief & perspective. but in my opinion, any woman who thunders on gender equality but contravenes her own preachings, expect to be spoiled rotten by her beau............. returning 'favors in kind' for what she deems to b measure of how much the male loves her......... she's no different from a whore.

[saintdevil]

the term whore only apply to gurls that perform any sexual service for money.

hj,bj,aj,fj all same as the sexual organ is involved.

very simple... if she allow u no pay can still any of the above, she is not whoring herself to you. if you nv pay , you cant even get any... then she is nothing more than a whore.

[nabei]

Actually its all in the mind.
A hooker who is pure in the mind even though she has sex is not a hooker.
A non hooker who holds evil thoughts or keep thinking dirty is already a hooker.
and don't zap me hor... :D