Tears For A PRC Prostitute

[lovemachine]

Years ago, i was a guest reading reviews in SBF.
Months ago, i fell in love with a WL and registered an account which i used to PM a few guys here for advise.
Weeks ago, i broke up with her, my WL lover.
Today, Im sharing my story.

The title is appropriate, although misleading - as mine is a successful story, why the tears you might ask? That's why im sharing my story and i believe having the experience i had, i will share some insights most SBF bros here don't.

Why do i do this?
1. To refute claims that it is near-IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to have real love with a PRC prostitute.

2. To give them their side of the story.

Emotional as im feeling now, i will do my best to illustrate an objective point of view.

Read on as i doubt many did what i did - and the results i got.

[Absolute]

Whether the ending is good or bad, don't forget to add the juicy bits hor.....

[lovemachine]

I was unable to continue cos the new thread was subjected to moderation. Now its up, im back. :)

It was end last year that i took a stroll along the streets of geylang looking for someone to relief me. As usual, my 2 friends and i walked for rounds and rounds before one of my friends pointed to this very pretty girl to my left whom i didnt noticed.

"Wow", my type - pretty and sweet - was what ran through my mind.

"How much?"

"$100"

"Ok" and off we went up.

I wasnt expecting anything special in the room as nothing in Geylang excites me after my last few intense years here.

What caught my eye was her very cute set of lingerie. I teased her so much for that about her wearing such cute lingerie (a white bar with pink strips and hello kitty face on each of the bra cup and a white panties (very kiddish looking) with a hello kitty tail at the back of her cute bummies sticking out which really surprised me.

I was rolling and laughing on the bed for a good 10mins even before any actions started and she was just shocked.

We hardly chat and proceeded to making love - hardly anything special - the typical SOP and i took her number.

I didnt know i left a deep impression on her that night (or at least that's what she told me.

For the next week to come, flashes of her in her hello kitty lingerie flashes across my mind and i went for a RTF exactly 7 days later.

and guess what, she was wearing the same hello kitty lingerie.

I tot - how many sets of cartoony lingerie does she has.

"1", and well was i lucky to see her in that again.

We fucked - the typical SOP stuff and there wasnt anything special except that i thought she looked prettier than she was the week earlier.

The second trip was special, we chatted for the first 15 mins, and i gave her pussy job for the next 30 mins, i mean i never believe that prostitute orgase that easily or enjoy sex with customers but there she was on the second trip sandwiching my head between her thighs and using her hands to guide my head in licking her pussy.

Hell i thought - whoever is providing sexual services?

But then i tot, if she enjoyed it why not?

Her MF called her time's up on her HP, after telling her MF that i added "hours" (which i didnt and was pretty pissed off) she hung up the phone on her mf and told me to continue (with my blow job).

Giving in to her, cos though quiet, shes really pretty and sweet (to me) and didnt show attitude to me, so i tot, heck-a bit of carrot head this time but i proceeded with giving her the bj - feeling like a man-whore cum sucker - paying prostitute to lick their pussy at the mercy of their "instructions".

She said it was nice and after everything is done - an hour in all, i felt really dun feel like giving her the extra $100 for the extra time she added without consulting me.

I handed her $100,

Without saying more, she took my hand and we walked out of the hotel together.

Hmm, absolutely quiet and no mentions of the extra money.

So off home i went, with the taste of her pussy juice in my mouth along the way - delicious (i dun rinse my mouth after PJing girls.)

[mikey80]

Bro Lovemachine, u seems like a person with a lot of emotions..You are right..There are few cases of people who are happily married with FLs..But not all will end up in happy endings..Anyway, time will heal the pain for you..:)

[Deviant Ruben]

Looks promising! Hope to read more soon!

[jon2000sg]

oh yeah, i fallen 101 times with all PRC WL liao...

[lovemachine]

In the days that ensued after the 2nd bonking sessions, i found myself calling her every night after she knocked off from work. Each chatting session lasting up to 3-4hours (im a night owl) and there was no sad story on her part.

We chatted about everything under the sun and being the curious person i am, i asked her why she got into this line.

"Easy money" - she replied. "And with my low education (primary sec), what else can i do?"

That was really honest.

Like most other buaya, i wasnt thinking of going after her. Just that i was lonely (single with no gf) and i would try my luck on every single pretty face (WL or not) that comes my way.

4 days later, i was in Geylang for supper (not for a bonk) and i called her at 2.30pm, asking her if she wanted supper (I had no intentions of bonking her, just bored with too much time on hand).

She obliged gladly.

during supper, it was kindly sweet, i rendered her the respect like a normal girl (no hanky panky touching her thighs or stroking her back). The only physical contact we had was she swiping my forehead with her hand when i perspired.

It was a nice supper, i mean just 2 of us talking a bit and eating. Like a date with any normal girl.

When supper was done - i asked her where she wanted to go. She said "Up to you".

I held her hand and went to a nearby hotel to get a room (for overnight) and off we went.

Inside, we didnt bonk, we chatted like friends and i dozed off first.

In the morning after clocking only a few hours of sleeping, i woke up seeing her naked in my arms.

Beautiful - i thought. She was pretty tall (1.72m) and looked every bit like a singaporean girl (she doesnt have the PRC look).

And i proceeded to lick her until she woke up.

And when she did, we have really nice sex and i penetrated her without a cap. Not wanting to be a bastard (or rather i dun wanna accidentally seed her egg) i offload my manjuice outside.

After which i told her i needed to go to work.

We quickly dressed up and i sent her back in a cab (i dun drive).

It was about 1 hour after i sent her back that i realised i forgot to pay her, i mean she was a WL after all. But inside me i was wondering, it was so beautiful (i mean i love fucking but when things are too commerical, it takes the fun outta the sex).

I dropped her a call immediately and told her this:

"Hey, i dun mean any insults but i forgot to compensate you for your time (i made an effort not to use the word "money" and "pay"). If you trust me, i will meet up with you again to settle this issue."

- Silence -

"Nope, it was nice. Just treat me like a normal girl, a none working lading".

"Ok"

Inside me, i thought this girl must be up to no good.

Firstly i never believe there is a free lunch in this world and for one, im an average looker, normal background - not rich, why would she give me such goodwill? But i put the thought away.

For the next few days, we chatted away and grew closer, no dirty talk over the phone, no lovely nonsense. Just casual chatting and each session lasted easily 2-3 hours.

another week flew and this time, i asked her for an overnight session after her work.

After we checked in, there she was wearing her hello kitty lingerie set - this time she deliberately went home to change into this (so she said). We had really nice love making - nothing beastly or rough, slow and gently peppered with french kissing sessions which i totally enjoyed. And of course the gentle PJ that i believed she enjoyed.

That night she told me she had 5 orgasms which i was laughing and rolling when she told me. For some reasons i was really turned on by her - prettier than before, sweet and singaporean looking. I bonked her for a good 2 hours, stopping at times just to change the positions.

5 orgasms? I thought it was ridiculous for i never believe a word of prostitutes, their job is to please you - physically and emotional. Play to their game and i end up being a carrot cake.

"Serious! i think you are special" - she protested after she sees me laughing and rolling on the bed non stop.

I kept quiet and gave you the "you can say what you want but i dun believe look". And stories of how PRC WL slaughter stupid singaporean guys in SBF conjure up in my mind.

"Im not one of those suckers." (for to bros out there not mocking at you but its was exactly what i was thinking then).

I thought "If im special, then dun make me pay".

After the ON session, i made no mentioned of the money and waited to see how she would drop the hint for it.

Nope, nothing.

So i sent her back again - nothing about the money and everything being nice and sweet.

Believe it or not, after this ON without paying, i asked her again for 4 more straight ON sessions in a row - all without paying!

For the next 4 sessions to come, we fucked (no condom), frenched passionately and hug each other to sleep. The only thing she would give is a raw BJ (which she mentioned is reserved for her BF).

Nothing about the money.

Quite honestly, shes the first ON i had in my commerical life (i always went for quickies or added an hour or 2, never an ON) and it was after that i realised that each ON session with a PRC WL is as:

After 12midnight - $400/ night
Before 12midnight - $500/ night

So the 6 sessions has a retail value of $2400!

I kept asking myself how is this possible? I mean shes just came here on a 2 year pass and without promising her romance and money, why would she do this, either she is mental (which i realised wasnt so) or she's dead fuck sure that im a sucker whom she will get her returns in folds later (which im sure wont happen to me.

I mean though im in my mid tweenties, i have been in this commerical fuck like for like 6 years, low to high end ktvs, massage parlours etc, i have also dated many WL, PRCs and locals without ever being a carrot cake. And i have had many serious and not serious relationships earlier and apart from my first one, i was never one to go head over toes for a woman. I was CONFIDENT that she cant cheat me.

[lovemachine]

For the 7th session, instead of checking into a hotel for the ON. She told me if i wanted to go to her condo for the ON so i can saved the ON fees.

"Oh...., very thoughtful" i thought.

Being curious and adventurous and adopting a wait and see attitude of what shes up to, i gladly agreed.

Her room (she lives by herself) was pink and full of girly soft toys.

First time in her room i felt like shes was really a normal girl (except for her work).

And there were really many hello kitties stuff there, cups, plates, bedsheets, cushions etc. Haha. Very girly i like it.

For the 7th session, we made love twice and i fell asleep after that.

Note: In case you are wondering why i can have so many overnight sessions thats becos im self employed and not on a 9-6 job. As such a lot of freedom on my part.

After i worked up late afternoon next day - she proceeded to cook dinner (or maybe you can call it lunch) and told me she wasnt feeling well and wont be working that night. Asked me if i can stay to take care of her and she surely looked and sounded like a damsel in distress.

As the gentleman i have always been, i obligated.

I didnt think she was sick. No coughing, flu and no high temperate (measured by a clinical thermometer. She seems well and good.

For some damn reason, i spent another night there, 1 more 2 more and before i knew it the next 2 weeks there! I went home only to get my clean clothings and every single damn day of the 2 weeks i was there and she didnt go to work!

I told myself - either she really likes me, or im gonna to be in some kind of trouble (i never believed in free lunches).

So i told myself i better buy her some stuff since she treated me so well. But at the same time, being clear headed, i also realised that once i make this move to buy her gifts or offer her money, it will set a precedence which i cant stop. And i just really wondering, whether she likes me or not (which i didnt care cos im not going to marry a WL), i didnt mind having a WL as a girlfriend as it would have been a cool life experience (if she does like me a bit and i dun end up much poorer).

I have fucked almost anything that moved in my life (except guys), done all sorts of crazy shit (you can think of it i probably have done it) and have yet to date a WL (in the serious context, flings i had before but wasnt that fun).

So i decided to go on a ride with her and before doing anything, i promised myself the following:

1. If there is a relationship, she must like me genuinely, i mean if its not real, then the experience wont be nice or worth the time.

2. If we do have the relationship, what's my limit?
Answer: As long as no shotgun, no marriage, and no suicide on her part (i was damn fuck sure i wont go gaga over her

3. I will spend on her (it this our responsibility as guys dating girls) but benchmarked against what i would have spent on a singaporean gf. Meaning gifts yes - not excessively. Pay for dates and etc yes. But no giving money outright to her if she cooked up some lame stories. And by the way to start off with, i already had 8 ON with her and using the retail value of it. I had something like 8 ON x $400 worth of credits? Haha do i sound gian peng? Perhaps - but i told myself i wont take advantage of her either.

And i started to romance her and see if it's possible for her to fall in love with me - an average looker, average background but "cunning" and smooth talking.

[lovemachine]

In the 3rd week of staying in her house (she didnt go to work at all), i romanced her and treated her like a princess, and she was really happy (from what i see). Cooking together, going for walks at East Coast Park, simple dinners (i did this purposely) and although i knew it wasnt going to end up in a marriage, i really enjoyed it as after all shes a real babe.

Towards the end the first month we stayed together (yes i was there almost everyday), i popped this to her - in a bid to win her heart, set the foundation for my game and to be in control of the situation.

" XXXX, you know something? The last 1 month has been really beautiful to me. And i know you are making a sacrifice by not going to work just to accompany me. (From what i gathered from her, she can easily make 200-300 at the very LEAST from working). I told her about my family background (HDB dwellers), my own background (self employed and currently not much savings but i sold her on the idea that im confident about my future) and even my income, on a bad month being 2-3k and good months 4-5k (exaggerated a bit for the upper limit). I told her i had no intention of going after her and between the 2 of us, we somehow got closer and just got together. I also asked her what she expected of us as she was really incurring a high opportunity cost by not working".

"One step at a time, i dun plan too much".

Now at this point, i believe there is going to be a breaking point down the road if i dun formulate a game plan and stick to it early.

Objectively i asked myself, how do i keep this going.

My answer: Either you offer real romance (really meaning marriage eventually) or you offer money.

Of course i wasnt going to offer money, i offer the earlier.

I told her: " I have had my past and i frequented sex joints from an early age and thus im no good guy. If we were to be together, the fact that we got to know each other through commercial sex is going to be a stumbling block. I know you are in this line, but you are doing it for a living for whatever reasons you have. For me, i have a dirty past - been fucking around all the times unless i have toned down in recent years - and i did it for the fun of it. Can you accept my past?"

A stupid trick actually as most WL who "ka" singaporean guys do so becos they know most guys cant accept a WL as their wives, let alone someone who asked her if she can accept my past.

Silence.

She teared.

"What the fuck?"s was shooting through my head. I mean either she believed this or she is a damn fucking good actress, tears can drop by simply thinking about it? OMG. Either im damn lucky (meaning she really likes me) or i have met a damn old bird.

I chose to believe she is a damn old bird (lao jiao) and being a pretty old bird, I CRIED WITH HER - without saying more.

I believe that was one turning point in the trust she had in me (if she does like me).

[xyz1001]

Camping here for your story. :) Keep it going

[Darkstorm]

Years ago, i was a guest reading reviews in SBF.
Months ago, i fell in love with a WL and registered an account which i used to PM a few guys here for advise.
Weeks ago, i broke up with her, my WL lover.
Today, Im sharing my story.

The title is appropriate, although misleading - as mine is a successful story, why the tears you might ask? That's why im sharing my story and i believe having the experience i had, i will share some insights most SBF bros here don't.

Why do i do this?
1. To refute claims that it is near-IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to have real love with a PRC prostitute.

2. To give them their side of the story.

Emotional as im feeling now, i will do my best to illustrate an objective point of view.

Read on as i doubt many did what i did - and the results i got.

Thanks for sharing your story. Do you need me to increase your points?

[lovemachine]

To me, the tears signified the beginning of a real relationship in the sense that our guard against each other went down. For me, im afraid of her cheating money, for her, she's probably afraid of me promising her the sky and wants just a free fuck.

For the second month, i enjoyed every single day of us together.

And she didnt work a single day - which really touched me. I mean she wasnt sick or anything. Shes well and we were like either in bed cuddling (and making love)

During this second month, being made of flesh and blood, i couldnt help but start to feel really infatuated (or rather lust) with her. During this period of time, while staying with her, i went out with her frequently to geylang, her fellow WL's houses and was introduced to her friends as her boyfriend. Of course, its all sweet talk but bit by bit, i was slowly drawn into her "game" - wary of her every move and every words.

For e.g.:
1. When meeting her WL friends and their "bfs" aka carrot cake, my gf and her WL friends would tell me before hand NOT to pick up the tab for dinners in those nice resturants. They are out to KA the guys

2. In front of me, her WL and her would engage in their talk and honestly i was damn surprise at the tricks they pull on guys (something i will share with SBF bros here). I was totally taken by. I mean, if they can go to such extent, how would i know if mine gf was cheating to me?

3. There ARE many married couples between PRC WL and Singaporean guys and GUESS WHAT? Those guys are NOT ah laos or some ah bengs - many are fairly educated (min. dip, A levels and even Uni degrees!!!!) And they are really in love from what i see (will elaborate further)

Of course, love grows with time (re ju sheng qing). And with each passing moment spent with her. I kept asking myself how would i know if she really like me. As such i rearrange my thoughts and concluded:

1. Genuine liking / love (a very strong word to me) in built on trust. If she does things that shows that she trusts me, im convinced she really likes me.

2. She would have mine interests at heart just as i would have hers. Our couple interests above self.

Thus, over the next few weeks, i tried various means to test her. And i believe she trusts me totally (at least thats why i like to think)...

[lovemachine]

Thanks for sharing your story. Do you need me to increase your points?

eh actually it would be nice if you think i deserve it.

Before i wrote this, i know that some people might think im just cooking up some stories to score reputation points but the fact is during april or may, i PM a bro here after he shared his story about his love with a WL. though i have emptied my inbox, my sent box is still intact, perhaps the admin can verify this.

and during my relationship with her, i spoke to a few guys (whom are the WLs' bf) and while i illustrate my story, im sure you would know who i am, please feel free to add in but pls dun expose my identity. :P

[Darkstorm]

eh actually it would be nice if you think i deserve it.

Before i wrote this, i know that some people might think im just cooking up some stories to score reputation points but the fact is during april or may, i PM a bro here after he shared his story about his love with a WL. though i have emptied my inbox, my sent box is still intact, perhaps the admin can verify this.

and during my relationship with her, i spoke to a few guys (whom are the WLs' bf) and while i illustrate my story, im sure you would know who i am, please feel free to add in but pls dun expose my identity. :P


You mean you spoke to a few guys who have Working Ladies as their girlfriends and these Working Ladies are the friends of your girlfriend?

You know me in person? Or have you mistaken me for someone else? I have never conversed with you in private message, unless you are using a different nick now.

Anyway, please continue writing your story. I will increase your points.

[Darkstorm]

eh actually it would be nice if you think i deserve it.

Before i wrote this, i know that some people might think im just cooking up some stories to score reputation points but the fact is during april or may, i PM a bro here after he shared his story about his love with a WL. though i have emptied my inbox, my sent box is still intact, perhaps the admin can verify this.

and during my relationship with her, i spoke to a few guys (whom are the WLs' bf) and while i illustrate my story, im sure you would know who i am, please feel free to add in but pls dun expose my identity. :P

I have just increased your points by 5. Your points are now 20.

[lovemachine]

ok, i mentioned earlier that i had "credits" from booking her ON without paying and honestly i felt bad. I mean although she never spoke a single word about money, it doesnt mean i can keep quiet and get away with it.

So i bought her a $600 + handphone and a camcorder.

The handphone is practical as hers is over 1 year old and the screen is scratched (though still useable) and the camcorder (a relatively cheap one), i told her its to record memories of us together. I told her no matter what becomes of us, i will never forget her this lifetime (to me its becos its my first time in "love" with a WL).

And of course, being sex-siao, i used the camcorder to record our sex acts. This time, i unleashed the beast in me and have all the acts captured digitally which would add to my personal collection. Being a hardcore JAP AV fan when i was younger, i recorded a series of video clips of us. And im proud to say these include:

The Mild:
1. She doing a strip tease dancing to erotic music and striped till her either cute lingerie or sexy lacy bras and g-strings. [Gravure] *PS she can dance really well

2. Soft porn. We making gentle passionate love but no dicks and pussies are captured on screen. [RA/AV]

3. Hardcore. She sucking my dickie, me licking her pussy close up and all the fucking scenes you can imagine. [Hardcore]

4. Cos Play: I bought my fav CHI* (cant understand? i should use this CH*J)uniforms and a few other cos play uniform from the adult novelty shops in geylang

5. Sex Toys: Spend almost 1k at the novelty shop for some mechanic help to stimulate our erotic parts.

6. Animalistic. Arh this i a bit paiseh to share.

But the main point here is, i had her face close up shot and believe me, every single video we took, she allowed me to keep them in my laptop. To me, this is trust as i could have use it to blackmail her (i wont do that though) etc.

And another one, she showed me her passport (so i know her real identity) and she gave me her house number and her parents (dad and mum)'s cellphone numbers!

How i know its true? During the first month, i have seen her calling her parents pretty frequently and after our relationship stablish, i was the one who requested for her parents number so i can talk to them.

Reason? 1. Show her im serious and 2. Just wanted to make sure she wasnt acting.

Not only that, when one of her tong xiang (from the same city Jilin) was going back, i spent a few hundreds on some gifts for her dad and mum and followed up with a call to applease them (i sure know how to make myself look like a prospective son-in-law!)

All this stuff, her allowing me to talk her porno video, her personal information at home (her parents numbers) convinced me that she likes me (unless she got 2 ah lao to pose as her parents.

And honestly speaking, after 3 months of being wary and seeing how sweet she was - logically speaking i was pretty convinced that she does like me -UNTIL she asks for money which she havent yet. But i did bear in mind i did spend quite a bit on her.

At this point in time, very honestly, instead of feeling cocksure about having the upper hand, here i was - pretty touched.

But fuck - i keep telling myself after reading all those sad and suckers' stories in SBF that that 1 thought of believing in her is the first step to destruction for me.

I held back my feelings, psycho-ed myself that shes a phua chee bye (which honestly isnt fair to her) and keep telling myself that im nobody special - NOT handsome - NOT rich and i just dun believe in such luck.

So emotionally, when i reflected back right now - i was stable. And in the right state of mind.

And proud being able to do just that.

[lovemachine]

I have just increased your points by 5. Your points are now 20.

thanks a lot. for your question above im referring to the bfs of my gf's friends. For the PM i wasnt referring to you but a SBF member collins whom i PM for advice earlier.

[lacoruna69]

Hi Bro,
Very nice story.
Dun mean to pour cold water. To me, you are a BIG ROBERT HEAD!

If you really want to know whether she really likes you, try fucking her for 1 whole week and dun pay her a single cent.

[tanterry]

fuck by many already yet you dare to fuck with no condom. Seriously i doubt you check her half inch love hole rule every time you doing it that so you gotta worry what she left for you

[bomarr]

Good one TS! Camping here! :)

[justl00king]

Nice thread TS, upz 7 for ya.

Hope got happy ending...:)

[waiwaiz]

Honestly speaking........If you are those who cant forget or forgive your partner's past... i suggest you don't go into this kind of relationship. And if you got no intention of having a future with her,....pls don't play around with her feeling,whether WL or not.They are still woman afterall, and they do have feeling too.
Through out all your posting, you only give me a impression that you are a very calculative person.......Counting you profit or lost with her. Counting how many time you bonk her ,then spend back some amount ensuring you still gain on it.

What else do you want her to do to make you believe that she really like you?
You keep saying because shes a WL to give yourself excuses only for not wanting a relationship with her
Its just an excuses.......
And excuses is like an asshole, everyone sure has one..........

[lovemachine]

Hi Bro,
Very nice story.
Dun mean to pour cold water. To me, you are a BIG ROBERT HEAD!

If you really want to know whether she really likes you, try fucking her for 1 whole week and dun pay her a single cent.

hi, actually if you read my post i did bang her many times without paying, i bought her stuff so that she wouldnt be on the losing end. never did she ask a single cent from me actually. :)

[lovemachine]

fuck by many already yet you dare to fuck with no condom. Seriously i doubt you check her half inch love hole rule every time you doing it that so you gotta worry what she left for you

yeah i know its crazy, my friends who know about this told me this too. For me, i do believe that PRC WLs are very conscious about her well-being but still its a risk i took. If im down with any sickness, i would say yes i regret it. :P

[lovemachine]

Honestly speaking........If you are those who cant forget or forgive your partner's past... i suggest you don't go into this kind of relationship. And if you got no intention of having a future with her,....pls don't play around with her feeling,whether WL or not.They are still woman afterall, and they do have feeling too.
Through out all your posting, you only give me a impression that you are a very calculative person.......Counting you profit or lost with her. Counting how many time you bonk her ,then spend back some amount ensuring you still gain on it.

What else do you want her to do to make you believe that she really like you?
You keep saying because shes a WL to give yourself excuses only for not wanting a relationship with her
Its just an excuses.......
And excuses is like an asshole, everyone sure has one..........

hi, honestly speaking i personally dun think im calculative. The reason why i made an effort to put those figures down is becos after reading other threads on r/s with PRC girls, many other SBF members were asking about what the girls wanted so in sharing my story i told by being specific, those who are interested would get a clear picture.

In fact i have left out some facts about the little other things i have done for her (which i feel is too detailed) and while with her, she has told me and her friends that i have been really nice to her and used the word "non calculative" on me.

But i respect everyone's opinions here. :)

Also it was also due to my good friends warning to me (who know about my relationship with her right from the start) that i keep reminding myself not to be a carrot head. Of course the season players / WL killers would think so, but its still within my financial limits and i have not (yet) gone gaga over her.

[lovemachine]

Nice thread TS, upz 7 for ya.

Hope got happy ending...:)

thanks a lot!

[tan33tan]

hey bro

your story interesting leh... so r u all still together?

cheer

[aces68]

bro, i believe your story..as I too find myself in a somewhat similar situation recently. I would love to read your full story....do continue.
Maybe it will give me some insight on how to handle my own situation.

5 pts as encouragement for your effort to pen everything down.;)

[maninsinsha]

I too believed your story. I have known WLs (in China) who have put their hearts in relationships and gone on to quit their jobs and got married. Hoping for a happy ending for you too.

[lacoruna69]

hi, actually if you read my post i did bang her many times without paying, i bought her stuff so that she wouldn't be on the losing end. never did she ask a single cent from me actually.

Well, maybe the gifts and stuffs you bought for her should be more than enough. I hope you know what you are doing.

[Malaysian Datuk]

hi, honestly speaking i personally dun think im calculative. The reason why i made an effort to put those figures down is becos after reading other threads on r/s with PRC girls, many other SBF members were asking about what the girls wanted so in sharing my story i told by being specific, those who are interested would get a clear picture.




Well story , love isnt right or wrong ,you go for your feeling .but think back ,how long it will last. a lot of story in love with prostitute end up money matters after a year or least ,they went back to same old line to get more income ,can you accepts it? If you can ,go for it .if not ,dont move on .

alot of others wife is a Prostitute for reason ,well saying is money world ,but think back again ,if i richer than now, what marry to a prostitute back ground woman ....good or bad , Prostitute always have a poor fate herself ,i dont know why , its only can see end of the day .....Dicovery it yourself ,good luck!:)

Malaysian datuk

[scoobyhoo]

waiting for your story to go further

[ekemono]

Hi TS,

very interesting story. I hope both of you will have a happy ending.
Pls reply to keep your post current so i can up u as a form of encouragement. :)

Meanwhile, I read that you have slept with her many times and as some form of compensation you spent on other things/gifts to make up for it, in some sense.
While I understand that you choose to be a gentleman to her and not short change her, I urge you to keep your whatever spending in moderation.
Whether you can afford it or not is one matter, but the concern is not to raise her expectation on your financial capability in spending to developing/maintaining the relationship.
I am sure you would like to be with her as long as possible, but unless you are cash-filthy-rich, you will always risk putting a tow on your wallet.

So to give an example, depending on individual needs, giving her a few hundred every other week is realistic and considerate, but almost a grand on sex related toys is not something encouraging. many of us here have to work a considerable days to earn that amount.

Also, i hope you dun focus too much on "she dun ask a single cent" & "she gives me raw" reason to justify upkeeping the relationship.
She dun ask for a cent cos she knows you will compensate her somehow at later stage, and that act along is enough to get you hook by the leash.
And if you RTF/KC/bonk many times enough, many PRC WL can also offers you raw. FYI, they do take contraceptive pills even when using condom at work is thier norm. And some PRC gals are either not well-imformed or loyal to safe-sex practice.
I do get to understand abit on this cos I have in the past 2 PRC WL turn fuck buddy. One of them even wanted to have a baby for me before she goes back cos her bf is doing time behind bars for another 10 yrs and she cannot wait for him anymore, given that she is reaching 30+. Of cos i MIA on her last day in SG but i still get her sms from China.

So what I am trying to blah at is to focus on expectations, compatibility and that inner heart feeling minus the lust and sex.

[lovemachine]

Hi TS,

very interesting story. I hope both of you will have a happy ending.
Pls reply to keep your post current so i can up u as a form of encouragement. :)

Meanwhile, I read that you have slept with her many times and as some form of compensation you spent on other things/gifts to make up for it, in some sense.
While I understand that you choose to be a gentleman to her and not short change her, I urge you to keep your whatever spending in moderation.
Whether you can afford it or not is one matter, but the concern is not to raise her expectation on your financial capability in spending to developing/maintaining the relationship.
I am sure you would like to be with her as long as possible, but unless you are cash-filthy-rich, you will always risk putting a tow on your wallet.

So to give an example, depending on individual needs, giving her a few hundred every other week is realistic and considerate, but almost a grand on sex related toys is not something encouraging. many of us here have to work a considerable days to earn that amount.

Also, i hope you dun focus too much on "she dun ask a single cent" & "she gives me raw" reason to justify upkeeping the relationship.
She dun ask for a cent cos she knows you will compensate her somehow at later stage, and that act along is enough to get you hook by the leash.
And if you RTF/KC/bonk many times enough, many PRC WL can also offers you raw. FYI, they do take contraceptive pills even when using condom at work is thier norm. And some PRC gals are either not well-imformed or loyal to safe-sex practice.
I do get to understand abit on this cos I have in the past 2 PRC WL turn fuck buddy. One of them even wanted to have a baby for me before she goes back cos her bf is doing time behind bars for another 10 yrs and she cannot wait for him anymore, given that she is reaching 30+. Of cos i MIA on her last day in SG but i still get her sms from China.

So what I am trying to blah at is to focus on expectations, compatibility and that inner heart feeling minus the lust and sex.

thanks for the note, actually i was really too busy to continue the story, i mean where possible im trying to be specific so it can be of help to other bros.

financially, it may sound crazy but at this point in time, im better off than where i started before knowing her. and im not a gigolo or a con man. This is the most incredible thing that happened to me and im totally touched. this is the difficult part in me letting go as im pretty convinced shes serious - to the point of "giving" me money. If she were just placing her bets - and expect something more - i think she would be dumb to do that.

anyway why are people calling me TS? kinda weird

[aces68]

....anyway why are people calling me TS? kinda weird

In SBF lingo, TS means ThreadStarter, that's you since you started this thread..;)

[Darkstorm]

thanks for the note, actually i was really too busy to continue the story, i mean where possible im trying to be specific so it can be of help to other bros.

financially, it may sound crazy but at this point in time, im better off than where i started before knowing her. and im not a gigolo or a con man. This is the most incredible thing that happened to me and im totally touched. this is the difficult part in me letting go as im pretty convinced shes serious - to the point of "giving" me money. If she were just placing her bets - and expect something more - i think she would be dumb to do that.

anyway why are people calling me TS? kinda weird

Hi, thanks for trying to increase my points, but I think you could not increase my points at the time because your reputation power was insufficient. But I appreciate it anyway.

[X_plorer]

Bro lovemachine,

You really champion. can spent $1k on erotic things.. I also have Wl as gf before from different nationalities, eg, PRC, Pinays, Indo, Thai, and Viet.. But i would say definately PRC is not a choice to make, but the others also might not be able to make it also.. I would say every country also got good and bad WL, it depends on luck. i have spent more than $10k on them in total in regards to a total expenses. But after so many gals and after so many years. I have been a carrot head also, but after so many experience, of course gets better now.. The max i've spent on is Pinays, who she really look like Chinese. My friend tried to ON her before she was my gf, but to no avail, pay her how much also no use.. Which after quite some times, gradually she becomes my gf and we live together at my house, but she still go to pubs and work. But didn't go out with other customer.. Not too talk in some much details.. Only till 1 fine day, i found out she got another bf in her country, i was really annoy and distrust her. But after quite some times when she goes back to Phil, then we broke up by not contacting each other..

So i would say a conclusion.. Your Vitamin M is the most important till you get married.. At that time, i wasn't earning high income, Also only $1k plus average monthly, luckily I'm now same as you doing my own business otherwise i can't even feed my family, buy my new car, and have holiday occasionally.. But you are earning not more than $5k on the high side, i think you have already spent quite a lot on her.. If you and her is into BGR, i think you should not even think of spending money on her instead should save up for later.

if you tell her that, you cannot spend so much because you have to save up for your future family to have with her, i think it might be even better..

But never the least, best of luck to you to your future encounter then..


Bro ekemono,

you are damn right.. I can say that you are a lao jiao (old bird) liao.. Can say you are a WL killer.. But money earn is meant to be spent by ourselves, not to be being slaughter by others, right.. We work hard, we enjoy hard also.. We reap what we sow...

[roamersg]

enjoying this story and others like bc like many bros here, I've either had relnships w some WL (not gf bc I almost always pay to keep it more professional) both in SG and TH. I know many bros give strong advice that WL here only for our money, very calculating, be wary. But many I met only give me life story / problems that drove them here much later, so i think these are probably not calculating. I feel that with so many driven here for financial needs, esp many young MILFs, their choices seem logical and as human beings can still have heart, can still fall in love.

But as I stay worried I try to keep on semi-professional basis. Semi b/c if I do things w them non-sex, then i no pay, we just watch movies, have fun. one reason is i have laopo so no way i can aim for gf love as you can

continue story, and best of luck. I never take relnship to gf so can't offer good advice to you, other than I do think there are good hearted PRC out there, even if v small %

[lovemachine]

Thanks a lot Lester for comforting me via PM.

The story, at this point in time i believe has come to an end.

It's over as of last night after a talk we agreed to have.

She has made a very hurting remark which has set us on the path of no-return.

Being both very strong headed and full of pride. It has ended.

I have escaped unscathed (Vitamin M wise) and its game over.

Feel damn shit but im still able to carry on my daily activities.

Knew it would never work out but i tasted what its like to have a RS with a WL.

No regrets and its a nice life experience.

As per my earlier posts, will continue to pen down what happened in the middle and give SBF members here their sides of the story so that:

1. Those who wanna "con" WL have more info
2. Some misconceptions bros here could have towards them
3. Interesting stuff i experienced with them

[Heart Break Kid]

you are damn right.. I can say that you are a lao jiao (old bird) liao.. Can say you are a WL killer.. But money earn is meant to be spent by ourselves, not to be being slaughter by others, right.. We work hard, we enjoy hard also.. We reap what we sow...

Totally agreed with you ..bro X_plorer.

We should not spend too much money on WL afterall there are just short term flings :p

[bomarr]

Knew it would never work out but i tasted what its like to have a RS with a WL.

No regrets and its a nice life experience.

As per my earlier posts, will continue to pen down what happened in the middle and give SBF members here their sides of the story so that:

Share the same sentiment as u...Great to have you sharing your experience with us... Cheers! ;)

[ekemono]

The story, at this point in time i believe has come to an end.

It's over as of last night after a talk we agreed to have.

I am sorry things didn't work out for you. But reading from your story I sense your good nature and thus, I am sure many many gals will come grab you later in life.

Meanwhile, its better to have love than not love at all. :)

[the_e_ones]

Bro lovemachine, thanks for sharing your story... i always believe that by sharing (telling someone) you can actually heal the wound (if any) faster. All is not lost as the sweet memeories remain.

I have upped your points for sharing, do continue.

[petrolheadsg]

As per my earlier posts, will continue to pen down what happened in the middle and give SBF members here their sides of the story so that:

1. Those who wanna "con" WL have more info
2. Some misconceptions bros here could have towards them
3. Interesting stuff i experienced with them

Camping for more on this ...tks for sharing.

[5stars]

2. In front of me, her WL and her would engage in their talk and honestly i was damn surprise at the tricks they pull on guys (something i will share with SBF bros here). I was totally taken by. I mean, if they can go to such extent, how would i know if mine gf was cheating to me?



Hey TS, could you share with us the kind of tricks they install for us?

Would be helpful when we deal with them in future.

Thanks!

[Darkstorm]

Sorry for borrowing this thread:

- Thanks to those who increased my points. I'll try to increase your points in return as soon as I can, but it would take time as I think I can only increase one person's points per day.

[testarossa]

it's a shame that things didn't work out.
i wish you both the best, and hope neither of you will ever look back in anger.

[lovemachine]

I didnt think much about the incident and as much as possible try to go about my daily life with much success until she called 15mins ago.

"How are you?"

- Silence on my side -

"Ok, you woke up pretty earlier today huh?" - i replied

"Nope i didnt - as i didnt sleep last night"

"Overnight booking?"

"Nope"

- Silence -

"I was thinking about us, so i couldnt sleep" She said

- Silence -

"What about us?" i asked

"Im sorry for what i said, i didnt mean it. I still care for you"

"Ok. Is that all?"

- Silence -

" I gotta go. Work on hand. Bye" I hung up."

And here i am feeling sianz.

Prolly call her later in the night. I just hope this will end but inside me, kinda itching to meet her (not sexually itching but emotionally).

[lovemachine]

Hey TS, could you share with us the kind of tricks they install for us?

Would be helpful when we deal with them in future.

Thanks!

sure i will. will pen down in details later. been busy with work too. :P

[lovemachine]

Bro lovemachine, thanks for sharing your story... i always believe that by sharing (telling someone) you can actually heal the wound (if any) faster. All is not lost as the sweet memeories remain.

I have upped your points for sharing, do continue.

thanks a lot but i cant up you. still a newbie.

yeah sweet memories. :)

[civiccat]

thanks for sharing TS lovemachine

Camping here for more... hope to have a happy ending

[seeknewss]

I didnt think much about the incident and as much as possible try to go about my daily life with much success until she called 15mins ago................

Prolly call her later in the night. I just hope this will end but inside me, kinda itching to meet her (not sexually itching but emotionally).

I think you are already really "IN" love with her with overwhelming emotional than sexual feeling. Let her go and time will heal...

[colins]

Hi lovemachine, finally get to read your story after I chanced upon this thread. I couldn't remember giving you much help last time during our PM exchanges, though I remembered you as sincere and very much wanting to see a clearer picture of the situation that you were in, at least I thought being rational is probably the first step into being learned enough for you to deal with such emotional turmoil.

Starting this thread is a good idea as I am very much learning as well, though I feel that I'm too old to get into such relationships anymore. Many bros are sharing their precious experience and you probably get 100x more help here, and of cos I'll learn together with you.

Sometimes, the way in which 2 person meet determines their future becos of the relationship they started. At times we may see a different route, though you may not trust that you're doing something unique from everyone else. My choice, is in giving up. My ex isn't WL or even if she was, the problems are the same - 2 person with complete different background coming together. Pick up any girl in China and you'll still see the same issues taking place. Love crosses boundaries, and objectively, even people who spend their entire lives within the same boundaries can be so different in their perception of being in love, and giving love. Find any gf in Singapore and you'll know this. But while you're at it, anything you classified as love is your own call, you run your life. Bros holding on to different parts of the elephant will tell you how it is like, but only you define the love in which you can accept.

When I was with my ex, I too see many facet of their lives. Like you said, many of their BFs are established people in the society, I got to know many bosses going ard in mercedes and BMWs thru her. If you ask me, why and how they get along with their own prc gfs is beyond me, some even married them.

To me, the datum is pretty simple. Are you happy and if you are, how long do you think she can continue to make you happy. Any girl should be given the same considerations. This is the relationship part of our lives, but should be placed with equal priorities with our career and family life as well. I guess for many bros, sacrificing one for another, thinking that it will fulfil their entire life is silly. So while you work, you must also think about love. While you fall for any girl, you must also get motivation to work. Drop anyone of those, and you will become irresponsible to yourself. Cos if shit happens, you have at least two thirds of your life still going on. If you learn how to balance, you wont go into depression no matter how much shit hits the fan.

Maybe I have gone irrelevant to the topic, but I'm speaking of this after re-reading your PMs. And I really hope it helps you in any way. Do continue to update us on your situation. Nothing beats reality.

[Darkstorm]

Hi lovemachine, finally get to read your story after I chanced upon this thread. I couldn't remember giving you much help last time during our PM exchanges, though I remembered you as sincere and very much wanting to see a clearer picture of the situation that you were in, at least I thought being rational is probably the first step into being learned enough for you to deal with such emotional turmoil.

Starting this thread is a good idea as I am very much learning as well, though I feel that I'm too old to get into such relationships anymore. Many bros are sharing their precious experience and you probably get 100x more help here, and of cos I'll learn together with you.

Sometimes, the way in which 2 person meet determines their future becos of the relationship they started. At times we may see a different route, though you may not trust that you're doing something unique from everyone else. My choice, is in giving up. My ex isn't WL or even if she was, the problems are the same - 2 person with complete different background coming together. Pick up any girl in China and you'll still see the same issues taking place. Love crosses boundaries, and objectively, even people who spend their entire lives within the same boundaries can be so different in their perception of being in love, and giving love. Find any gf in Singapore and you'll know this. But while you're at it, anything you classified as love is your own call, you run your life. Bros holding on to different parts of the elephant will tell you how it is like, but only you define the love in which you can accept.

When I was with my ex, I too see many facet of their lives. Like you said, many of their BFs are established people in the society, I got to know many bosses going ard in mercedes and BMWs thru her. If you ask me, why and how they get along with their own prc gfs is beyond me, some even married them.

To me, the datum is pretty simple. Are you happy and if you are, how long do you think she can continue to make you happy. Any girl should be given the same considerations. This is the relationship part of our lives, but should be placed with equal priorities with our career and family life as well. I guess for many bros, sacrificing one for another, thinking that it will fulfil their entire life is silly. So while you work, you must also think about love. While you fall for any girl, you must also get motivation to work. Drop anyone of those, and you will become irresponsible to yourself. Cos if shit happens, you have at least two thirds of your life still going on. If you learn how to balance, you wont go into depression no matter how much shit hits the fan.

Maybe I have gone irrelevant to the topic, but I'm speaking of this after re-reading your PMs. And I really hope it helps you in any way. Do continue to update us on your situation. Nothing beats reality.

Nice post. I feel like increasing your points, but can't do so now. Thanks for sharing.

[colins]

Hey bro darkstorm, take it easy man. It's the thought that counts. Hope it does help you as well.

[lacoruna69]

The story, at this point in time i believe has come to an end.

It's over as of last night after a talk we agreed to have.

She has made a very hurting remark which has set us on the path of no-return.


I'm sure you will come out of this relationship a stronger and wiser man.:)

[X_plorer]

Bro Heart Break Kid

Thanks for your comment.. Cheers!!

Bro Roamersg,

You are right. There are still good PRC gals in Singapore.. I've just encounter 1 but only too bad that I'm married, otherwise she would be my ideal wife.

Bro lovemachine,

Dun be too sad now.. Let me tell you a short story of mine encounter with this PRC gal which i mention to Bro Roamersg, it happens to me only 2 days ago. It is really an un forgettable day..


I know this PRC from a chinese restaurant, I've been there for quite a long period of time, around a year plus. Then got 1 night, i saw this new PRC waitress working there. Just as per normal, having my dinner there with my wife and my baby. She looks quite petite in size, average looking but sweet when she smile. After having meals there for a few times, which everytime maybe chat with her and other waitresses also since I'm a regular there and most of them they also know me. She jokingly ask "Can you bring me around in Chinatown or Orchard if you can spare the time because from the day she reach Singapore till now, I've been to the working place nearby only."(because she know my office is near there that's why she ask me that question) As for me, i replied "No Problem" And i gave her my namecard and ask her to call me.. Of course there are many details in the mid of from the 1st meet till the day she ask me, at 1st also didn't talk at all, only after around 1 - 2 months time then got talk more..

But waited for 2 months before she called me. We meet up and which she told me the purpose of calling me is that she is bidding goodbye to me because she is flying back to hometown as she had quit her job and she would like me to bring her go around Chinatown for a while because she do not know the way to roam. As se has been to a few places of interest with her friends the past few days only after she had quit. So i thought of bringing her to look around Singapore. She agreed to my suggestion.

So i bring her to see scenery of Singapore, travel to quite a few places. Mt Faber, Sentosa, Vivocity, East Coast, Labrador Park. She told me she likes to look at the sea, so brought her to all these places. She was very grateful to me that i bring her to these places which she had never been before and she has totally change her opinion of Singapore because she is always at workplace from morning till night everyday.

She told me her problems of her work and many others. She likes Singapore but wanted to find another Job here but to no avail. She wanted to make full use of the "Uni" cert but unable to speak English, so it is difficult for her to find an office position.

Through a lots of conversation then begin to know her a bit more, she is those type who is very independant. She didn't ask for her parents help even she needs of more funds to come Singapore again to look for jobs, but instead going back hometown to work and study some courses, save some money before coming again. I've offered to help her but also rejected.

Somehow after a long day, the last destination was east coast park. we sat at a beach facing the sea. Then she doze off and drop to my shoulder. At this point of time, how many guys can tahan this beautiful scene just right in front of you. I also begin to like her after a day with her, and never seen a gal becoming a little gal after seing so many places, looking so sweet and adorable. Just like seeing your gf enjoying herself at the beaches. English not so good, dun now how to describe more.. She is also very thoughtful and understanding type which is my ideal wife type, she really makes me think that i've married too early and regretfully. My marriage also not those courtship type, and very love each other then married type.. Mine is very complicated.. but since i'm married, whether very love or not, i must also take up the responsibility to feed my family and my wife's family in Viet..

She really makes me feel so great being with her for the whole day. eg like during courtship with my ex which was donkey years back.. really love and miss the feel...

Till now, i also dun have her contact number as Singapore's line has been cancel, also for hometown. When she go back apply already then can give me.

Though nothing happens between me and her the whole day, but the feel with her is just too great, it is not only sex will have this kind of feel..

Out of typical 5 "C" which Singapore gals want for their husband, i already have 3, and the 4th and 5th might be within 3 - 4 years only. I should say
i should be contented but i would say money cannot really makes a person haapy same as the day i've spent with her. Of course, without money.. GONECASE also..

So bros out there, what is conclusion in your mind? It's up to your thinking. As for me, maybe in the future. If i've a day to spent with her again not as a friend only but as lovers. I think if kill me after that. I'll not regret.. Anyway, i think that day is also one of the happiest day of my life. Even earning your 1st $10k in a month also not so happy..

[xyz1001]

Prolly call her later in the night. I just hope this will end but inside me, kinda itching to meet her (not sexually itching but emotionally).

Bro lovemachine,

I really hope things end up well for both of you. Courtships are always beautiful memories. Remember all the good times that you spent together, how much you enjoyed each other company. And leave your love (if you really loved) as that, don't let it turn nasty to even hatred. Too many times I heard my female friends saying that their bf was very nice to them when in love but changed when things didn't turn out well. It is easier to see someone true self when he/she is not in love with you.

And then just move on to next chapter of your life. We all got alot to learn. :)

Give u my humble pt as encouragement.

[playground150]

be it prc wl or otherwise,theres alwys a certain pattern in which e relationship goes.emotional attachment,emo blkmail,e games they play.tsk,tsk.most of e time at e end of e day e 'relationship' is onli temporary,they spin a veri thick web b4 u noe it u'll be stuck.ts,yr decision to end it will be e best decision u will hv made.all e best in yr future endeavors and take care.

[hyashi]

Bro Love Machine

I can feel you brother. All of us wish to have a WL as a girlfrd deep down inside. Why? cos they know how to please us in bed and do things which our OCs will never consider doing.

The only catch is of course she is after all a WL, and we all know that they need the money for whatever reasons they have underneath that pretty face. I believe in this age alot of bros dont mind the sexual history of their partners. We just have difficulty knowing the true intent of our WL flings.

I have read through all the pages of this thread and sincerely hope things turn out for the best for the two of you. I always believe in happy endings(not just from massage haha).

Do continue to update.

[Jamester999]

Hi

First of all, sorry for sounding hostile hoh bro, what i'm posting here may not be 'nice to hear'


... what the hell is wrong with this thread is what i'm thinking.
I just finished reading.


You stopped ur story suddenly. (at the part where u said u're too busy to continue the story,
and then announced that it ended in the next post, with a loose explaination about an argument)
'AN ARGUMENT' for god sake.

After reading all, I have a thought in mind.
Are you trying to 'TOY' a PRC girl ? (PRC girl, who in ur story here, seems like a poor soul)
AND in the whole story, seems like the person who lose out much much more than u.


It seems like u're a very suspicious person about the girl u like.
(just becoz she's a WL)
(*NOTE. just like many of u guys said. WL are ALSO HUMAN. SO WHY KEEP TESTING?!)
1 - U kept testing her and testing and testing her.
2 - gave her 2nd hand phone and a cheap camcorder (actually just for ur fantasies right ..)
* I WOULD NEVER GIVE 2nd HAND STUFF TO SOMEONE I LIKE. talk about sincerity (ok ok .. maybe this is just me)
3 - took face videos PARTLY with intention of blackmail her IF something went wrong

In the end what happened ? she conned u ? or what ?
u never mention.
ACCORDING to the posts, it just ended with a quarrel of some sort.


She already give out so much to u.
TO A GIRL, what she offers here is 10 times more than a guy (YOU) hav offered.

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BTW, at a point in ur story. you said :

'I chose to believe she is a damn old bird (lao jiao) and being a pretty old bird, I CRIED WITH HER - without saying more.

Then next, u said :

'I believe that was one turning point in the trust she had in me (if she does like me).'

OK. what do u mean actually ?
sounds very contradicting.
sounds weird
you u trust her ? or do u NOT ?

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OK OK
I may not know the full story (those extra infos maybe u don't wanna say)
but i'm just posting from what i leaRNT from what u TYPED in this thread, after u announced it all ended.
(and that u're too busy to continue)


seems like this should be tited 'how a singapore man tests a Prc girl'
where's the love involved ? where's the romance involved ?
your story doesn't justified any.
but only those 'TESTS' that u may be so pround to show to readers.


And I still see readers posting encouraging things and stuffs
I doubt some of these people even read the whole thread fully AND THINK before posting.
like newbies who just wanna generate some 'posts'
like they always said posting nice and goodwill posts regardlessly never gets you zapped.

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paiseh ah
maybe i shouldn't hav typed all these.
but i just feel kind of pissed now reading these.

anyway story has ended. no point continuing liao.

[lovemachine]

Hi lovemachine, finally get to read your story after I chanced upon this thread. I couldn't remember giving you much help last time during our PM exchanges, though I remembered you as sincere and very much wanting to see a clearer picture of the situation that you were in, at least I thought being rational is probably the first step into being learned enough for you to deal with such emotional turmoil.

Starting this thread is a good idea as I am very much learning as well, though I feel that I'm too old to get into such relationships anymore. Many bros are sharing their precious experience and you probably get 100x more help here, and of cos I'll learn together with you.

Sometimes, the way in which 2 person meet determines their future becos of the relationship they started. At times we may see a different route, though you may not trust that you're doing something unique from everyone else. My choice, is in giving up. My ex isn't WL or even if she was, the problems are the same - 2 person with complete different background coming together. Pick up any girl in China and you'll still see the same issues taking place. Love crosses boundaries, and objectively, even people who spend their entire lives within the same boundaries can be so different in their perception of being in love, and giving love. Find any gf in Singapore and you'll know this. But while you're at it, anything you classified as love is your own call, you run your life. Bros holding on to different parts of the elephant will tell you how it is like, but only you define the love in which you can accept.

When I was with my ex, I too see many facet of their lives. Like you said, many of their BFs are established people in the society, I got to know many bosses going ard in mercedes and BMWs thru her. If you ask me, why and how they get along with their own prc gfs is beyond me, some even married them.

To me, the datum is pretty simple. Are you happy and if you are, how long do you think she can continue to make you happy. Any girl should be given the same considerations. This is the relationship part of our lives, but should be placed with equal priorities with our career and family life as well. I guess for many bros, sacrificing one for another, thinking that it will fulfil their entire life is silly. So while you work, you must also think about love. While you fall for any girl, you must also get motivation to work. Drop anyone of those, and you will become irresponsible to yourself. Cos if shit happens, you have at least two thirds of your life still going on. If you learn how to balance, you wont go into depression no matter how much shit hits the fan.

Maybe I have gone irrelevant to the topic, but I'm speaking of this after re-reading your PMs. And I really hope it helps you in any way. Do continue to update us on your situation. Nothing beats reality.

Hi Colin, really happy that you remembered me and thanks for your help.

Also, i believe that you will help keep our correspondance (via PM) between us and i have quite a lot of details about her when i PMed you. I read through all your previous posts back then and decided that you are a pretty good natured guy and once again thanks for your input as knowing someone who has been thro this giving me the advice really helped.

By the way how old are you cos you mentioned you are old? :)

[lovemachine]

Hi

First of all, sorry for sounding hostile hoh bro, what i'm posting here may not be 'nice to hear'


... what the hell is wrong with this thread is what i'm thinking.
I just finished reading.


You stopped ur story suddenly. (at the part where u said u're too busy to continue the story,
and then announced that it ended in the next post, with a loose explaination about an argument)
'AN ARGUMENT' for god sake.

After reading all, I have a thought in mind.
Are you trying to 'TOY' a PRC girl ? (PRC girl, who in ur story here, seems like a poor soul)
AND in the whole story, seems like the person who lose out much much more than u.


It seems like u're a very suspicious person about the girl u like.
(just becoz she's a WL)
(*NOTE. just like many of u guys said. WL are ALSO HUMAN. SO WHY KEEP TESTING?!)
1 - U kept testing her and testing and testing her.
2 - gave her 2nd hand phone and a cheap camcorder (actually just for ur fantasies right ..)
* I WOULD NEVER GIVE 2nd HAND STUFF TO SOMEONE I LIKE. talk about sincerity (ok ok .. maybe this is just me)
3 - took face videos PARTLY with intention of blackmail her IF something went wrong

In the end what happened ? she conned u ? or what ?
u never mention.
ACCORDING to the posts, it just ended with a quarrel of some sort.


She already give out so much to u.
TO A GIRL, what she offers here is 10 times more than a guy (YOU) hav offered.

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BTW, at a point in ur story. you said :

'I chose to believe she is a damn old bird (lao jiao) and being a pretty old bird, I CRIED WITH HER - without saying more.

Then next, u said :

'I believe that was one turning point in the trust she had in me (if she does like me).'

OK. what do u mean actually ?
sounds very contradicting.
sounds weird
you u trust her ? or do u NOT ?

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OK OK
I may not know the full story (those extra infos maybe u don't wanna say)
but i'm just posting from what i leaRNT from what u TYPED in this thread, after u announced it all ended.
(and that u're too busy to continue)


seems like this should be tited 'how a singapore man tests a Prc girl'
where's the love involved ? where's the romance involved ?
your story doesn't justified any.
but only those 'TESTS' that u may be so pround to show to readers.


And I still see readers posting encouraging things and stuffs
I doubt some of these people even read the whole thread fully AND THINK before posting.
like newbies who just wanna generate some 'posts'
like they always said posting nice and goodwill posts regardlessly never gets you zapped.

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paiseh ah
maybe i shouldn't hav typed all these.
but i just feel kind of pissed now reading these.

anyway story has ended. no point continuing liao.

Hi Jamester, no problem. everyone has their opinions and i respect yours. Honestly not only you mentioned that, one of my very good friend told me off as well.

For the handphone, its not second hand. haha i think its due to the way i structured my sentence:

What i wrote:
"The handphone is practical as hers is over 1 year old and the screen is scratched (though still useable) and the camcorder (a relatively cheap one), i told her its to record memories of us together. I told her no matter what becomes of us, i will never forget her this lifetime (to me its becos its my first time in "love" with a WL)."

I meant to say buying her a handphone is practical (something she needs) even though her current one is over 1 year old and scratched - but still usable.

For the part of toying with PRC WL, honestly its could be due to my emphasis on testing her and such but for me, im someone who fall into a relationship - will be really serious type and money aside (its our job to spend on them), emotions - once you fall for someone, it can be very terrible if things end up bitter.

As to why i keep testing her its becos i have heard so many stories of WL conning SG men and not only that, during the time i spent with her friends (also WL), all their conversations are peppered with tricks to get money and how stupid we singaporean guys are (yes they talked about all this in my presence).

For the taking of videos - honestly logically speaking - YES i acknowledge that it CAN be a something you use to blackmail someone BUT i wont and i havent. For me, for my last 3 girlfriends - we have taken photos and videos of ourselves (consensual on both ends) for our own private viewing pleasure. And after the relationships ended (the first one ditched me for another man) while i initiate the break ups with the other 2, i have never shown the videos to anyone else or blackmail anyone.

And for all the contradictions - yes its all there. During the entire r/s, its always:

1: I want to trust her, but im scared
2. I like her, does she like me?
3. She tells me she knows im serious about her, but i have to accept the fact that shes working - contradiction again
4. She wants me to know her friends - and they all spoke frankly about how to cheat SG guys in front of me - yes i appreciate the honestly (brutal in fact!) - but that has a denting effect on the trust i have in her.

pls understand

[lovemachine]

i met up with her last night and spent the night there - again.

And she did something that touched me.

When i arrived in her room, she passed me a stack of cash - $7000 she said.

"What the?..." i thought.

"I thought you might need it for your biz cashflow"

Previously she has helped me, (i have returned her the money as i have taken it for a few weeks to test her). And honestly when i said i need it - i did. But i didnt want her help for this - wanna test her.

There she was - back again - with more.

Its crazy - i was really really touched.

Nope i dun need it. She pushed it into my bag. I kept quiet - only to return it by putting it into her drawer when she fell asleep that night.

And no sex - cos no mood.

I started this relationship pretty much becos i was very attracted to her good looks and curious about how it was like to date a WL. Yes - a bastard in the context that marriage was something i believed would not really be an end point. I justified it by telling myself shes just taking me for another SG carrot head.

Of course i have no rights - but i did it already and now im convinced shes really serious about me. And i do feel bad.

That night i really couldnt sleep - just looking at her while she slept. Yes a babe - like any ordinary girl except for her job. And i recalled our earlier conversations about her work during our r/s....

"If you dun mind me asking - of all jobs - why this?" i made an effort to ask this blunt question less the possible words that she could mistake as "me insulting her".

Expecting answers like "my family's damn poor, siblings sick or need to go to school"

She said " Easy money - and my family's doing pretty ok in china"

"WTF?" i was shocked. As she had high school education in china (not a btc or farmgirl as she comes from the city).

"My family running a small business and since young, i have never experienced hardship"

"But my family cant afford the luxury stuff - LV prada Gucci etc"

"I simply wanted them - and my friends were in it - i thought why not? Instead of giving your bf free - why not make money out of it?"

It was brutally frank.

I said - "Really appreciate your frankness - brutal frankness in fact". These were the exact words i used.

"Have you thought of stopping?"

"Yeah - when i saved enough"

It was then i realised that she had barely enough savings (shes said she has only 500k RMB) after working for 6 years! Of course, converting it to $100k SGD - it seems like a lot of money but consider that as a percentage of what she had earned she had blew lotsa money on her luxury needs.

"How much more you need to stop?"

"another 500k RMB more and i can stop"

"Ok"

This conversation was one that we had in the earlier part. I remembered this very clearly as i was telling myself - if i were to marry her - she has to stop - and here this is - a stopping point she set for herself.

I know all this sound very contradictory as i have mentioned earlier that before i start the relationship - i believe i would not marry her. But when i sink into it, thoughts of us walking down the aisle keep popping up every now and then - though i try to dismiss it.

- Another conversation which was one of the earliest quarrels we had -

She was dressing up and putting make up in the room while chatting with her friend over the phone. And seemingly like any other girls who love to doll up, she spends at least 1.5hrs putting her make up - redoing and redoing it over and over again.

That day - that moment, in the early days of our relationships where things were so lovey dovey, it really pains me to see her like that. I mean what the fuck - she doesnt enjoy her job and we are in a relationship, here i am in the room seeing her happily putting on her make up - honestly speaking - to attract guys to pay to fuck her and asking me which dress she looks nice in (all sexy outfits showing her C-cup cleavage). Note: She has never asked me the same question ever since.

I shot back meaning " want me to teach you how to suck your clients' dicks and moan to make them cum faster?"(i used the words chui xiao, play the flute in mandarin)

Hell was i mean (and till this day i regretted saying that) but honestly if it were a non-working WL, i dun mind my gf dressing A BIT sexily but here i am - asked to give her comments on her clothings - with the purpose of attracting guys to fuck her.

Ok, i know she didnt mean it that way but i took it that way - from that perspective - i was wrong - very fucking wrong. But logically speaking - it's the truth. And i can tell you that pain is fucking painful when you feel for your girlfriend.

She teared beos of that.

"When the fuck can you stop working? i have a decent income and even if you dun work, you wont starve and we would have a decent life in sg"

- Silence -

- A very long silence -

I dunno what she was thinking but for me, during that period of silence - time seemed to have froze and it really felt like eternity to me as i also wondered why i blurted that - must be becos i really like her deep inside. And i was quite ashamed to say that as she was having a much higher income than me, leading a better lifestyle while i - as a man - asked her to settle to lesser - in the name of love so that i feel better (i do believe she would feel better doing that).

She broke the silence:
" Let me tell you very very very very honestly. You are not the first guy whom i have as a bf i met during the course of my work. Past experience tells me that its better for BOTH of us to continue with what we are doing before we met each other."

Reason: When she did stop work for her earlier ex-bfs, nothing worked out eventually for her and she felts its unfair for her. Reason? Yes, on moral grounds she shldnt be doing this but as a human in this realistic and practical society, she has tasted how easy it is to make money in this line and cant turn back (unless i offer her marriage which i didnt). And not only that, with her education, she cannot find a good paying job in china matching her income.

She told me this:"Dun offer me marriage, as its too early to tell. And there is NO NEED TO GIVE ME MONEY as i will earn my own keep. This is fair to you - and to be fair to me - let me continue what im doing as im no longer young. After making what i have set out to, i will stop. And you knew i was into this line as that was how we met. To me - its fair".

I kept quiet. And went to the living room to smoke alone.

Ok - i have nothing to say - i mean as a guy - i know its becos of my lack of financial capabilities that i cant get her to stop working. And as a very tactful girl - she has expressed her views and the FACTS to me in a very subtle and tactful way.

That night - i apologised and thanks her for putting it so tactfully, in fact i told her its becos of my financial constraints that i couldnt get her to stop her work. And i asked her if she would believe that i really like her but can actually condone her work as a BF.

"Dun teach me how to tell if a guy truly likes me or not, during my course of work - i have already mastered the art of differentiating the serious from those who are out to fool around with me"

"I really like you - and i truly believe you like me too" she whispered.

And fuck - this feeling of being a man but unable to stop the woman i like from going out to the streets to get fucked by other men for money is fucking horrible. To the extent of driving me mad. And she has another 1 year plus in singapore before she goes home. does it mean i have to go thro this crazy shit every day she works? I can tell you this feeling gets worse and worse - especially when im staying in her place almost everyday. Not only it sucks - it SUCK TO THE CORE!

[lovemachine]

Once upon a time not too long ago while being confused (being with my WL girlfriend), i decided to search sammyboy for all the stories of WL conning SG boys - and trust me, i was so obessed with this that i actually used an Excel to calculate the statistical distribution of the stories here on this issue.

But before long - i didnt have to input any more data and almost all the stories here have sad endings.

that was certainly NOT promising. Of course - it could be becos those with success stories didnt put their stories here - i mean, which man happily married with their PRC WLs would tell his friends about it - they prolly would prefer to keep it hush hush. And people who feel bitter being cheated tend to go out and talk. (No offenses to those cheated).

A classic case of " 好事不出门，坏事传千里"
Mandarin provert meaning: A good deed stays indoor while a bad news travels a thousand miles

I PMed a few bros here in SBF who mentioned they have relationships with PRC WLs before (thanks a lot once again collins if you are reading this!).

Yes they gave solid advice but very honestly - i felt much better but i still felt powerless to deal with the situation.

It was until i met so many of her friends (PRC WLs) that i realised:

1. There are MANY SG guys who marry PRC WLs and contrary to conventional wisdom, these are not the typical coffeeshop uncles who are old and lonely and many believe. Generally from what i observed:

a. The young (20+ to early 30+) PRC FLs DO HAVE a happy marriage with white collar SG guys in their 40s and even early 50s. Generally these girls are not that pretty while the guys tend to have stable career (comes with age i guess), driving in a jap sedan with their 4/5 rooms HDBs and happily married with kids! My gf even bought me for gatherings in their houses many many times! These guys tend to be introvert (my personal opinion) and they are loving married couples.

b. The older WLs (late 30s to 40s) are hitched up with blue collar SG guys and they too lead a blissful marriage with the wives helping out in coffeeshops and blessed with kids. They may not live a luxurious lifestyle but i can tell they are happy - very happy. Met up with quite a lot of couples and i can tell you - the ex-WLs totally quit their jobs and work 16-hours shifts to supplement the family income.

c. The old uncles - really sad to say - got cheated - over and again - many of their hard-earned CFP money. This is a really bad situation. Even among my gf's friends, these PRC WLs are joking at how much these old guys are being ripped off and they joked about how Chinese WLs cause all the troubles (ripping old man off) in singapore as compared to those malaysians WL, Thai WLs and Viet WLs who tended to be less greedy and less "gan". They even joked that they ARE THE REASON WHY THE SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT RAISED THE CPF AGE! Its becos the chinese girls are sending them back to china to help boost their national economy! I almost fell my chair when i first heard this.

2. Very sad to say - im not sure if SBF bros reading this will believe me - there are many many WL-killers among us reading this now. ALL my gf's friends have told me stories and stories of how guys (young ones from their early 20s to late 40s) have promised to marry them, only to find out in the end that all these cheap guys wanted are FREE SEX! To them, yes they acknowledged that there are bad sheeps among them, but they too are victims of such fuckers trying their luck. To bros here, im not exposing anyone, for there could be some of you who have your opinion that im cheating and fucking around with my current WL PRC GF, but before you click on that pop-up box to zap me for this, please gimme a chance to paint my full side of the story. thanks! :P

3. Many of the girls - about 20% of them (applicable to those who are on a 1 year pass at least). They ARE LOOKING for a serious relationship - meaning one that they can settle down and marry a man. Reason? Singapore is the only independent country apart from China in the world that has a chinese majority population (to bros who think Taiwan should be independent, im sorry to say im a supporter of the One-China Policy and this is a sex forum, not a political one, so i feel no one should zap me for this? :P) And to most of them (almost 99%) who can only speak mandarin, Singapore is probably the only World Class City where they can roam the streets armed with the ability to speak only mandarin. (Ok, once again im not PRO-govt when i said world class city, but this was what they said. To most of them, Singapore is a world class city. No zapping pls i hope. :P)

Many of these girls also dun enjoy their jobs (but its their only surest and fastest way to accumulate wealth) and they definitely see settling in Singapore as a passport to better life. Ok yes, their main intention is for a better life, some might argue with this intention, how can we know if they really like us, or the "passport"? To me, this is a realistic and practical world and we cannot separate money from love. Everyone including myself is working towards a better life. And unless we grow up in their environment - we would never know how its like and why they feel that way.

[ekemono]

@ bro lovemachine,

Thanks for filling in the gap to let us deeper into the story.

I felt to cut short there're a few things you need to consider carefully.

1. Can you accept her past as WL? Cos you were fustrated over incident of her dolling up for work and all that. This type of thing if you cannot sincerely accept (not forgive ok, cos she is not wrong) next time when she marries you and during quarrel/bad mood you might bring up her past. And it is the surest way to kill a relationship.

2. She will still continue to like luxuries goods if she choose to be with you eventually, but on what level of spending we dun know. So can you still afford.. say a LV bag on birthday, some $100 dresses during weekend shopping? Sort of the like of spending power for an average executive single career woman.

3. Can she accept low pay hard work job in future? given her lower education. I am sorry to sound offensive in this area but she had put aside her diginity and pride in favor of easy money, with the fact that her family is doing well and does not need her to be in this line. And this type of easy money is VERY ADDICTIVE.

However your tots and decision, I hope you will understand that it takes alot of patient, love, hope and trust to pull thru this relationship to any happy ending. For all you know the day you invite a friend to your wedding, the friend might have been her customer in the past.

I feel if you are serious about considering her as a life long partner, you need to spent time alone weighing the pros and cons, digging out your hearts for sincere feelings. Then sit down and discuss with her, reconsile and see if her tots and feeling are "in-line" with yours for the benefit of this relationship.
Otherwise, it is better to move on.
Remember bro, ultimately in life, you have to take care of your own interest first.

[colins]

1. Can you accept her past as WL? Cos you were fustrated over incident of her dolling up for work and all that. This type of thing if you cannot sincerely accept (not forgive ok, cos she is not wrong) next time when she marries you and during quarrel/bad mood you might bring up her past. And it is the surest way to kill a relationship.

2. She will still continue to like luxuries goods if she choose to be with you eventually, but on what level of spending we dun know. So can you still afford.. say a LV bag on birthday, some $100 dresses during weekend shopping? Sort of the like of spending power for an average executive single career woman.

3. Can she accept low pay hard work job in future? given her lower education. I am sorry to sound offensive in this area but she had put aside her diginity and pride in favor of easy money, with the fact that her family is doing well and does not need her to be in this line. And this type of easy money is VERY ADDICTIVE.


I second all 3 points after reading your thoughts in the latest posts. Having a future with her means a lot of internal struggle, and a totally unconventional life. There will no longer be simple life joe in you, like where you go to work during the day, come back to hug the wife and kids. Everyday of your life, you will be faced with these 3 questions, and they will eat at you. Dun need to tell you what will happen when one day, you can no longer justify why you accepts these 3 points.

[MrVirtual]

lovemachine,

I have been following this thread since the first day you posted the thread here. From the way she treats you, I believe that you can 80% confirmed is pure love and 20% for the "PASSPORT". Always remember the 20% factor because "STATISTICS" will not lie and "LOVE" can be manipulated.

MrVirtual

[Jamester999]

Hi lovemachine

thanks for feeling in the gap ! despite u being busy now.

now THAT makes me feel like an asshole lOL

I apologised for the previous unfriendiness.(I could put it in a more friendly way)

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Regarding the brutal frankness she told u in post #65
It must be damn painful.

if i were u, I be very careful about decisions right now.

To me,love is one thing. and whether or not it will last and
you can really live with the person and accept what she is (for life), is ANOTHER thing.
that's what marriage means. (at least to me)

You need to be really clear on what sort of person she is deep down
and then be honest with urself.
- can u accept it the way her pesonality is now for the rest of your life if u 2 ended up together.
- can u accept along with all the future stress of a r/s with a EX-WL like other bros mentioned here.

*she likes u now doesn't means she wont run away one day.
what you are right now, is what makes she likes u.
if one day, things gets sour, and ur attitude todays the r/s changes, she may leave u.

anyway right now, i believe is not a question of 'SHE LIKE U OR NOT' liao.
well i'm sure we all believe that 80% is true feelings.
Now is decision time. can you go ahead with this r/s in the name of love.


THIS IS FCKING TOUGH BRO.

I also dunno how to say superb stuff to help u much.
all i know is give minimal advice lah.
cannot help you on ur decision.
but decide without any reGRET !
then god may just help u along the way lOL


pss. sometimes we think and measure too complicatedly. and in fact, things are quite simple in real life.
before u knew it, things are smooth sailing with little problems.
or it could be the other way round.

think just enough (not too much) n decide wisely with both ur brain and ur heart.
and decide without regret.
at least u in the end no regret :)

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thanks for ur extremely good info on post #66

good luck to u !

[colins]

Hi Colin, really happy that you remembered me and thanks for your help.

Also, i believe that you will help keep our correspondance (via PM) between us and i have quite a lot of details about her when i PMed you. I read through all your previous posts back then and decided that you are a pretty good natured guy and once again thanks for your input as knowing someone who has been thro this giving me the advice really helped.

By the way how old are you cos you mentioned you are old? :)

No worries friend, the details stay in the PM. You are not the only one to msg me when people see my post on my ex, esp after knowing she came from shenyang. I think there are lots more detail in your relationship since it is not short one.

Ironically, I've never experienced more comfort in my life when we were together at that point of time, despite knowing that she has to go and we may not have a future. I guess perhaps every guy who fall for their prc girl do somehow have a level of security when they are with their girl, that feeling must have sustained them through all the constant barrage of negative practicality knowing there is little future.

We can't live life with no memories, so if it hurts everytime to remember, either we have to change our social life or we change our thinking entirely. The alternative is to hang onto that security for as long as we can or delude ourselves into thinking that the future will be a happy one.

I guess at the end of it, as it was for me, the choice to stay with her or not will always be a selfish one. You have to think for yourself first. Not becos you are that selfish bastard who wanted free sex, but becos part of your choice include the possibility that if you love her, you might have to set her free. She must continue her path she set for herself, having you is a load. I was an opposing choice to my ex cos she has to have a career, she has to do what she promised herself to do. When she said I will come and find you when I have earned enough to put my mum in a new apartment, I realised that a girl like she can think so far, where I am just thinking of what I can see in short term. And that we must continue to lead separate lives to achieve what we want.

How that will reconcile things is up to you. What you learnt from this relationship is more important than what you would get from it. Just make sure it doesn't turn you into someone bitter or a prc hater.

I'm in early thirties, but I guess living in china sort of wring a lot out from me.

[xyz1001]

To me,love is one thing. and whether or not it will last and
you can really live with the person and accept what she is (for life), is ANOTHER thing.
that's what marriage means. (at least to me)

Isn't love all abt loving the WHOLE person AND accepting who she is? Why is it different from marriage?

You need to be really clear on what sort of person she is deep down
and then be honest with urself.
- can u accept it the way her pesonality is now for the rest of your life if u 2 ended up together.
- can u accept along with all the future stress of a r/s with a EX-WL like other bros mentioned here.

Yes, Love IS abt accepting everything, including the past, the future is up to both of you

*she likes u now doesn't means she wont run away one day.
what you are right now, is what makes she likes u.
if one day, things gets sour, and ur attitude todays the r/s changes, she may leave u.

All woman may do that, what makes her different? If she no longer loves you, why make her stay

anyway right now, i believe is not a question of 'SHE LIKE U OR NOT' liao.
well i'm sure we all believe that 80% is true feelings.
Now is decision time. can you go ahead with this r/s in the name of love.

I think the question is Do you really love her enough. To love is to give, not asking for something in return.

but decide without any reGRET !
then god may just help u along the way lOL

pss. sometimes we think and measure too complicatedly. and in fact, things are quite simple in real life.
before u knew it, things are smooth sailing with little problems.
or it could be the other way round.

think just enough (not too much) n decide wisely with both ur brain and ur heart.
and decide without regret.
at least u in the end no regret :)

good luck to u !

Just my thoughts, i do not believe in coincidence, i think things happened for a reason. Fate put both of you together meaning there are things for both of you to learn, to achieve in your life. As a preparation for your future relationship? Or will you be happily ever after?

[Darkstorm]

Just my thoughts, i do not believe in coincidence, i think things happened for a reason. Fate put both of you together meaning there are things for both of you to learn, to achieve in your life. As a preparation for your future relationship? Or will you be happily ever after?

May I ask what is the basis for your belief? Religious?

[xyz1001]

May I ask what is the basis for your belief? Religious?

I believe in many many things and nothing is impossible. I have no religion but i do believe the existence of all God.

How many pple will you actually meet in your life? hundreds or thousands?
How many will you actually know? hundreds by name?
How many will you actually love? ten or twenty or fewer?

Mathematically, what's the odds?

I believe in ESP too. That is if you really really really wanna meet someone and u wanna it bad enough, your faith and will power will arrange a "coincidence" meeting

[Darkstorm]

I believe in many many things and nothing is impossible. I have no religion but i do believe the existence of all God.

How many pple will you actually meet in your life? hundreds or thousands?
How many will you actually know? hundreds by name?
How many will you actually love? ten or twenty or fewer?

Mathematically, what's the odds?

I believe in ESP too. That is if you really really really wanna meet someone and u wanna it bad enough, your faith and will power will arrange a "coincidence" meeting


Thanks for your answer :)

[Jamester999]

yah people meet for a reason
not just those mentioned
it can be

- retribution
- pass life karma lOL
- or simply just bad luck

on the negative side lah
paiseh bro not mean to make it sounds bad haha

but this is more reality way to put it.
life is not an unburstable bubble :)

anyway TS, good luck.

[glooper83]

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

[Darkstorm]

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !


Maybe it could still work out between you and that China girl. The examples you have given have not convinced me that she just wants your money.

[glooper83]

I guess it could, i still keep in touch with her through sms but i can sense a sort of coldness in her replies. Not sure if its my sensitivity or what. Ultimately, i've told myself to be passive towards this and let what may come, come. I cannot afford to be hurt again, hurt so many times by sg girls, now prc.. anymore and i think i'll go ghey leowz... NAW... i dun like cocks...

[colins]

Well to me it does. Jewelry has great resale value back in China. Anybody who is sincere would be very careful with the mentioning of money, or any thing of value, to the guy she likes.

[glooper83]

Well to me it does. Jewelry has great resale value back in China. Anybody who is sincere would be very careful with the mentioning of money, or any thing of value, to the guy she likes.

Yup true.. I feel that she wouldnt do that if she really liked me. But then again, she did not specifically tell me to buy for her. Only mentioned to me that she saw so and so and like it alot. Well.. a good hint nevertheless.. haha

[lovemachine]

@ bro lovemachine,

Thanks for filling in the gap to let us deeper into the story.

I felt to cut short there're a few things you need to consider carefully.

1. Can you accept her past as WL? Cos you were fustrated over incident of her dolling up for work and all that. This type of thing if you cannot sincerely accept (not forgive ok, cos she is not wrong) next time when she marries you and during quarrel/bad mood you might bring up her past. And it is the surest way to kill a relationship.

2. She will still continue to like luxuries goods if she choose to be with you eventually, but on what level of spending we dun know. So can you still afford.. say a LV bag on birthday, some $100 dresses during weekend shopping? Sort of the like of spending power for an average executive single career woman.

3. Can she accept low pay hard work job in future? given her lower education. I am sorry to sound offensive in this area but she had put aside her diginity and pride in favor of easy money, with the fact that her family is doing well and does not need her to be in this line. And this type of easy money is VERY ADDICTIVE.

However your tots and decision, I hope you will understand that it takes alot of patient, love, hope and trust to pull thru this relationship to any happy ending. For all you know the day you invite a friend to your wedding, the friend might have been her customer in the past.

I feel if you are serious about considering her as a life long partner, you need to spent time alone weighing the pros and cons, digging out your hearts for sincere feelings. Then sit down and discuss with her, reconsile and see if her tots and feeling are "in-line" with yours for the benefit of this relationship.
Otherwise, it is better to move on.
Remember bro, ultimately in life, you have to take care of your own interest first.


hi, i have thought about all these and spoken to her about these while we were together too:

1. As a guy, its really crazy to fall for a pro (my thinking before meeting her) but this has subsided after knowing her as a person. but i cant promise myself that i wouldnt bring this up during a quarrelled. and honestly im pretty MCP, this has been a stumbling block in our r/s

2. she no longer go for luxury stuff now, i have seen her wardrobe but she does "ka" her other customers for gifts and money. this im not worried.

3. i have told her that with her education and her inability to speak english, she cant do any work here. she told me if we were to get married, she has enough to start a small shop and do what she wants. her main priorities is to stash aside 1m rmb, she already has a small apartment in Jilin for her parents fully paid up and a small shop selling cloths in harbin. so financially she claims she is fairly ok.

for life long partner, honestly i now believe she does like me but the chances are very very slim. i mean culture wise we are very very different and im just a normal middle class singaporean - and i believe i can get a decent singaporean girl (my first preference) and for this, im really unsure as even before i met her, i was more concerned about my career to worry about women, but her looks and femininity won me over.

[lovemachine]

Bro Heart Break Kid

Thanks for your comment.. Cheers!!

Bro Roamersg,

You are right. There are still good PRC gals in Singapore.. I've just encounter 1 but only too bad that I'm married, otherwise she would be my ideal wife.

Bro lovemachine,

Dun be too sad now.. Let me tell you a short story of mine encounter with this PRC gal which i mention to Bro Roamersg, it happens to me only 2 days ago. It is really an un forgettable day..


I know this PRC from a chinese restaurant, I've been there for quite a long period of time, around a year plus. Then got 1 night, i saw this new PRC waitress working there. Just as per normal, having my dinner there with my wife and my baby. She looks quite petite in size, average looking but sweet when she smile. After having meals there for a few times, which everytime maybe chat with her and other waitresses also since I'm a regular there and most of them they also know me. She jokingly ask "Can you bring me around in Chinatown or Orchard if you can spare the time because from the day she reach Singapore till now, I've been to the working place nearby only."(because she know my office is near there that's why she ask me that question) As for me, i replied "No Problem" And i gave her my namecard and ask her to call me.. Of course there are many details in the mid of from the 1st meet till the day she ask me, at 1st also didn't talk at all, only after around 1 - 2 months time then got talk more..

But waited for 2 months before she called me. We meet up and which she told me the purpose of calling me is that she is bidding goodbye to me because she is flying back to hometown as she had quit her job and she would like me to bring her go around Chinatown for a while because she do not know the way to roam. As se has been to a few places of interest with her friends the past few days only after she had quit. So i thought of bringing her to look around Singapore. She agreed to my suggestion.

So i bring her to see scenery of Singapore, travel to quite a few places. Mt Faber, Sentosa, Vivocity, East Coast, Labrador Park. She told me she likes to look at the sea, so brought her to all these places. She was very grateful to me that i bring her to these places which she had never been before and she has totally change her opinion of Singapore because she is always at workplace from morning till night everyday.

She told me her problems of her work and many others. She likes Singapore but wanted to find another Job here but to no avail. She wanted to make full use of the "Uni" cert but unable to speak English, so it is difficult for her to find an office position.

Through a lots of conversation then begin to know her a bit more, she is those type who is very independant. She didn't ask for her parents help even she needs of more funds to come Singapore again to look for jobs, but instead going back hometown to work and study some courses, save some money before coming again. I've offered to help her but also rejected.

Somehow after a long day, the last destination was east coast park. we sat at a beach facing the sea. Then she doze off and drop to my shoulder. At this point of time, how many guys can tahan this beautiful scene just right in front of you. I also begin to like her after a day with her, and never seen a gal becoming a little gal after seing so many places, looking so sweet and adorable. Just like seeing your gf enjoying herself at the beaches. English not so good, dun now how to describe more.. She is also very thoughtful and understanding type which is my ideal wife type, she really makes me think that i've married too early and regretfully. My marriage also not those courtship type, and very love each other then married type.. Mine is very complicated.. but since i'm married, whether very love or not, i must also take up the responsibility to feed my family and my wife's family in Viet..

She really makes me feel so great being with her for the whole day. eg like during courtship with my ex which was donkey years back.. really love and miss the feel...

Till now, i also dun have her contact number as Singapore's line has been cancel, also for hometown. When she go back apply already then can give me.

Though nothing happens between me and her the whole day, but the feel with her is just too great, it is not only sex will have this kind of feel..

Out of typical 5 "C" which Singapore gals want for their husband, i already have 3, and the 4th and 5th might be within 3 - 4 years only. I should say
i should be contented but i would say money cannot really makes a person haapy same as the day i've spent with her. Of course, without money.. GONECASE also..

So bros out there, what is conclusion in your mind? It's up to your thinking. As for me, maybe in the future. If i've a day to spent with her again not as a friend only but as lovers. I think if kill me after that. I'll not regret.. Anyway, i think that day is also one of the happiest day of my life. Even earning your 1st $10k in a month also not so happy..

Hi Xplorer,

i can understand where you are coming from. Money is not everything, but its is almost everything.

And for me, the happiest times in my lives were time spent with my family, gfs and buddies. And these didnt require much money.

Also, im a subscriber to the fact that no-money = no-honey. And being someone who loves to fuck, this is my main motivator for making money. Sex is low in my maslow hierarchy of needs.

But many a times, when i see simple people on the street being so lovey dovy, (im not rich myself but doing ok), they seem to be enjoying a simply but happy lives.

I know how practical this world is but i really cant help ponder and hope that if there were a girl who were serious about me and accepts me now - how grateful i would be. Cos i know a few more years when im more settled - i wouldnt give much shit to women who likes me for let say my career or money (that is if i reach there).

so this girl does touch my heart in this sense. But as with all things in life, there is no free lunch, you take some - you lose some.

its still better to have money. and by then (if i reach my goals that is), with money , i can always pretend to be poor and test the girls out.

until then for now, this girl does really touch my heart.

[lovemachine]

Hi lovemachine

thanks for feeling in the gap ! despite u being busy now.

now THAT makes me feel like an asshole lOL

I apologised for the previous unfriendiness.(I could put it in a more friendly way)

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Regarding the brutal frankness she told u in post #65
It must be damn painful.

if i were u, I be very careful about decisions right now.

To me,love is one thing. and whether or not it will last and
you can really live with the person and accept what she is (for life), is ANOTHER thing.
that's what marriage means. (at least to me)

You need to be really clear on what sort of person she is deep down
and then be honest with urself.
- can u accept it the way her pesonality is now for the rest of your life if u 2 ended up together.
- can u accept along with all the future stress of a r/s with a EX-WL like other bros mentioned here.

*she likes u now doesn't means she wont run away one day.
what you are right now, is what makes she likes u.
if one day, things gets sour, and ur attitude todays the r/s changes, she may leave u.

anyway right now, i believe is not a question of 'SHE LIKE U OR NOT' liao.
well i'm sure we all believe that 80% is true feelings.
Now is decision time. can you go ahead with this r/s in the name of love.


THIS IS FCKING TOUGH BRO.

I also dunno how to say superb stuff to help u much.
all i know is give minimal advice lah.
cannot help you on ur decision.
but decide without any reGRET !
then god may just help u along the way lOL


pss. sometimes we think and measure too complicatedly. and in fact, things are quite simple in real life.
before u knew it, things are smooth sailing with little problems.
or it could be the other way round.

think just enough (not too much) n decide wisely with both ur brain and ur heart.
and decide without regret.
at least u in the end no regret :)

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thanks for ur extremely good info on post #66

good luck to u !

no prob, theres no need for apologies. :P

[lovemachine]

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

hi you gotta be careful on this, later i will write about the tricks they use to rip singaporean guys off, esp the emotional aspect of it.

[lovemachine]

The Tricks

Before you read beyond this point, i would like to discharge any liabilities and emotional backlash that you might incur should you decide to use my information as a guide to your "game". Do not come back and zap me and curse me or my family as i have written this in the best of goodwill for everyone! Also let your mind do the thinking - not your heart. Dun even trust your eyes and ears when dealing with WL, sounds too extreme? Well basically just put your self interests first. :)

Over the last 8 months plus, i have met many of my gf's friends and overtime, as they addressed me as jie-fu / mei-fu(brother in law) as many think we will eventually get married. Their guard against me wore down and i hear from them first hand accounts of some of their tricks and how they work. To the experienced WL killers here, you probably already know them, to the rest of us, it serves as a "protection", just in case a commericial fuck turns into a torrid love experience (where only you love her).

1. They profile singaporeans.
Im sure many of us know the KTV, masseurs, WL might ask us, how old we are, what we do etc. And stop there - just short of asking us our salary. This we know, what we dun know is that most of them (those who wanna make a carrot head out of singaporeans) share this information. In my opinion, they have a very established network of intelligence! Not only they talk about it when they meet up, when they meet a new potential carrot head - they CALL ONE ANOTHER to get info. And rest assure, they are a united lot here in SG. In fact, they often asked me based on age, education, industry and job scope, they want me to tell them how much their carrot head earn per month! and sorry bros, sometimes i do tell the truth. So if you wanna date a WL and you are the type who is emotionally in control - by all means go ahead and play - but dun let your ego get the better of you - manage their expectations, in fact DO NOT play up your salary, be humble as we should - no matter who we are dealing with WL or not.

2. With that info, they will start to profile you - meaning either you are serious about them, or you are just trying to fuck around with them. And trust me, serious to them means a relationship that ends up in a marriage (so they get leave china and migrate to a better place). If you are trying to fuck around with them (free sex), depending on how season you are - i heard heard singaporeans who tried to be a "player" ending up very poor (some in debts) and other singaporeans who manage to "cheat" WL of money! (Yes we have fucking singaporean bastard guys too who know how to get their ways around WL's tricks.

For e.g., if you let them know (knowingly or not) that you earn 3k per month. They prolly expect you to spend $500 at least on them. And how do they arrive at this figure? Not only they profile our income, they know the standard of living here very well. I was surprised to know also how fast even those new comers to singapore learn of all this (remember they share this info). For e.g., they know how much you have to pay in installment based on the car you drive (and also if you are driving a OPC).

To them (in fact any other girls), they know that if you are serious, you would spend on them. This is a pre-requisite for dating girls.

Note: For richer guys (i cant define this quantitatively here), if you are doing far better than the rest of the guys, the girls wont be serious about you too. Reason? In my own opinion, many of them have humility and know they given that you know their background, you would not settle for them (marry them), the most they can get out of you is economic gains.

For the average joe out there, if you are an average income earner with no car, if you dun look like crap (thats what they said), and VERY IMPORTANTLY you have a fairly good command of mandarin, you do stand a chance. Reasons?

a. If you are an average joe, the pretty WL DO KNOW that you have to do a trade off. For e.g., the average joe in Singapore is NOT going to get a pretty Singaporean girl, but if he is willing to trade off and bear with the fact his gf/wife is a WL, he can potentially get the pretty WL (most of us probably fall into this group). And contrary to popular beliefs, almost ALL the WL i met (disclaimer: those on 1 year past), they either have had a SERIOUS sg bf or still have a SG bf. The rationale behind this? It is easier for them to get someone from a developed country to take care of them (and in my own opinion - they are not that materialistic if they really like you) than to continue working in this line for money. They are women after all - needing guys to take care of them. Ok please read whatever i say here carefully and not jump into anything, reason? While it is true that those WL i met do want serious bf (note: those on 1 year VISA at least, as those with short term needs to make the money fast), for every pretty WL (note: pretty), there are at least tens of singaporean guys going after her, so competition is stiff and luck counts. Whether you wanna play - or just want some companionship - you need luck to succeed.

Of course, the above is some basic that they have, what im going to share below will be in details of signs that there is a chance she might like you:

1. Their first profiling does start with looks, this doesnt mean you have to look gorgeous for them to like you. I mean decent is decent. And its up to their own taste and preference to like you. This - we have no control as with dating other girls. But if you really dun look good (i feel i dun have the rights to define this), chances are - they are trying to slaughter you.

2. Going out with you (not for fucking). If they decide to go out with you for dinners etc (without paying them for their time that is!), chances are yes - they might be interested (in you or your money). This is becos all the pretty WLs get a lot of calls from guys here and competition is stiff. And if they agree to your date, congrats you COULD have just survived the first round of competition.

3. You have a higher chance if you have a good command of chinese and if you dun talk about how singapore is a better place than china. Knowingly or unknowingly, many of us failed to recognise this:

a. Its not exactly that they think its cool of you if you speak mandarin. Apart for the sake of communicating, in the WL's opinions, everytime a singaporean starts to get stuck in an english word (unable to translate it into mandarin), they also drop this one-liner "do you understand?". To them, they see it as an insult. So if you hold a proper conversation in mandarin (meaning you can hold a conversation in simple mandarin without substituting a word in english), you just passed the test. For me, i would like to think my mandarin is good (thats why my WL told me) and during my school days, i do have a fairly decent understand of chinese history and culture too.

b. Dun hanky panky them on a date. This is a sure way to end everything fast. Just because they work in this line doesnt mean their clients can touch them when going on a date. Please remember that they too want to be treated like princess (basic expectations of any other decent girls too). The last thing they want if your hands all over them

c. Dun play up your status. From what i observed from their conversations, many guys who dated them and failed, all of them make this mistake : Just because they work as pros doesnt make you a being higher in status than them. They take their job like any other job (yes they really think so), and we should not be expected to be held in "high regards" simply they work as commercial sex workers. Basic lesson in life: Respect has to be earned! Regardless of race, religion, nationality and your job!

d. You have to pay for them: Ok this is tricky, why? The question is about how much you can afford, what to buy (what not to). To the best of my knowledge, instead of me deciding for you how much you can afford (which is not possible), let me share with you instead (more practical), what they think you should buy for them.

- Groceries. Ok this is something we cant appreciate as in Singapore, chances are most of us live with our parents till we get married. For them, they usually move out at a young age to work. And buying groceries for your gf is a romantic thing (this is what they do in china). And remember, if you are dating them, dun impose your singaporean culture upon them.

- handphone, many of them think its practical - for me, if their handphone is spoilt, yes else personally i wouldnt buy. Its up to you.

- Going on dates, ok let say you want to bring them on a date on the first few times and while you want to pay, but dun wannt burn a hole. Going to Bugis Junction is a favourite pastime for them (its near geylang) and for mid to higher end stuff - its available in Bugis Junction, for budget stuff, its available across the road at Bugis Village. Bring them to both places and relax. And note: If you are a miser, there is no point in bringing girls anywhere.

[lovemachine]

e. During your conversation with them, many singaporeans have the misconception that china is "bad" (ok i cant define this very well but bad in terms of backwards, uncivilized, corrupted etc). If you are too amercianized (thinks that China is the GREAT SATAN), forget bout dating a mainland chinese. Most of them are very patriotic. For e.g., telling them that taiwan should be independent is a sure way to end your r/s with them pre-maturely. Whether for fun or for serious r/s (in dating a mainland chinese, not just a W/L). personally the most basic knowledge you should have includes:

The 4 Great Chinese Literary:
1. Journey to the West (西游记)
2.Dream of the Red Chamber (红楼梦)
3.Romance of The Three Kingdoms (三国演义)
4.Water Margin or Outlaws of the Marsh or All Men Are Brothers or The Marshes of Mount Liang (水浒传)

A few recites of poems from Tang Dynasty would make her pussy wet (cos you are singaporeans!)

Very strong belief that Taiwan should return to China soon and uphold a One-China belief.

That this century (or millennium) belongs to China.

Most singaporeans dont have this, if you spend a week and wiki all this information, the mere mentions of the above alone will make their legs go weak that you are indeed special (understand their culture and beliefs).

For me, i already knew the above and also have a pretty decent understand of their political problems, cultures, communist govnt in china etc which does " impress " them a little as im singaporean.

Ok, before i deviate too far, here are some hints that they might drop if they are interested in you (but bear in mind this can be a double edge sword).

1. They let you know where they stay in geylang
2. They dun make you pay too much for them and ask you for gifts (to me i think simple gifts here and there always spice up a relationship)
3. They dun accept payments when you fuck them (but pls give them something in return in kinds if not they will think you are trying to take advantage).
4. They ask you what your plans in singapore are
5. They ask you to go back to china with them

Basically its a trust thing if they share very private info with you as with that info you can really screw them if you want to.

[lovemachine]

The list goes on and becos i gotta go for my work, i will share other info here:

From my info above, im not encouraging you to marry / date a WL, its a personal thing, pls if you do intend to do so after serious consideration, then i hope you will find my info useful.

Apart from marriage, many of those WL honestly speaking - in my own opinion are very poor things in SG. Yes we can go about scrutinizing their jobs, but honestly speaking, as their patron, i feel im probably just as "cheap" as them. And many of them have to live in fear of being caught and exploited by their MF (i wont go into details). And honestly, as singaporeans, if our forefathers never came to nanyang, we would most probably be as poor as them. The same blood does run in our veins.

There are many others who date local guys knowing that the prospect of marriage being slim, but they do it anyway to get the care and concern they want. If you can determine that they are not trying to cheat you, do treat them nicely and give them a good time (not just in bed but emotional support) if you have the money and time to spare.

And by the way, for my case, i was on the line with her for 3 hours last night (before i typed this) and she wants a "trunce" with me.

We have been quarrelling so much that we dun feel happy together. But its ok, as with any other relationships, 99% of these starts out beautifully and ends up crappy (our gfs and wives will grow old and naggy at the end of the day). But the memories stay.

and for her, 99% i cant offer her marriage, and knowing that there are so many guys going after her, by holding her with me, im denying her of her chance to get a decent guy (she may not, but with me, most probably she will not) as im quite a possessive guy towards my gfs.

[X_plorer]

Thx LoveMachine for sharing your experience with us. It looks like you've been in this field for pretty long and have experienced just about anything except "true" love which you just did recently. If i were you, i would also be very cautious about such a relationship.

But something in your post really struck me, you mentioned about how many sg guys are actually married to these prc, and that among them there were even quite a few white collar-ed working men. I used to think that i was the only desperado among my fellow people.

In fact, i had just stepped out of my isolated shell less than 1 month ago to explore the 'hidden' side of our nation. And i was 'hooked' up to the very first one i met. Perhaps its due to my inexperience, loneliness and naivety that i fell so much in love with her. And in my case, it seems like it is a one-sided affair. There is always this aura of uncertainty about these PRC FL that no one can really guess what their true intentions are.

She's 18, seven years my junior. A guy like me would never score with a Sg girl of her age and of her looks in all eternity. This was partly the reason why i liked her, the next is like you've mentioned. The thought of having her in bed every night after i get home from work is just too tempting to brush aside. The last reason is how chatty she was, that even though my command of chinese is quite bad, i managed to talk with her about almost anything. She actually got me interested in the chinese language and everything about china!

But about a week back, i wanted to take her out in the day to sightsee.. I thought it would cost nothing in the day, little did i know that i was quoted by her okt for $500 for 4 hours. It suddenly struck me that this infatuation was going nowhere. She also started telling me how much she like one ring she had seen which cost $800+ and she had no $$ to spare. All this sort of made me see clear as day that this was all about the money.

I was very sad about this but i just told myself to treat this as another one of my failed relationships and let go. I tried to keep myself occupied so that i would not think about her, i tried to tempt myself with other girls so that i would forget her. Ultimately what convinced me to let go was my bank account balance..

In my case, a relationship with that girl would seem almost hopeless. Firstly, My family and relatives would never accept her. Moreover, it is quite a close knit group and thus any actions that do not conform to their beliefs would be heavily questioned. Secondly, i have no idea on what step to take, i just graduated and do not have a stable income. She would be eying those LV bags which i cannot afford, i wouldnt be able to take it if she were to return to her job.

I feel that you are so much luckier than me, in terms of your experience with your girl. Treasure the love that you have in front of you while it lasts, but when its time to let go, be strong and move on. The SBF community will always be here for one another, i hope. Good Luck !

Bro glooper83,

What you are mentioning now seems like it happens to me in the past before.. PRC W.L. always like this.. I tell you 1 incident, or many a few incidents.. I'm always scared to knw gals from outside be it how to know. But maybe after some drinking which boost your courage.. A few incidents after drinking, i went to know the gals, but so damn unlucky, always get to know W.L., i also dun know why, even at non red light district also kena.. Then in the end, they also looking at money only..

Bro, you are starting your career life, i think better buck up a bit, till you had your stable income, bought your car, maybe at that time is easier liao..

Some PRC gals think that we are easy target but they will just try and try till they get 1.. So their fishing skills would be getting better and better.. And i'm adopting fuck and forget style, otherwise you might end up paying more for just a W.L...

[ekemono]

and i believe i can get a decent singaporean girl (my first preference)

Bro,

Just in case.....

FYI, in terms of love-relationship, some SG gals can be worse than other nationalities. Never ever use a SG gal as a yardstick.

In terms of earning a living here; while the ability to do so is one matter, but the ability to manage one's spending is another matter.

NOTE: my comment carries no offence to bros with SG GF or OC, but is base purely on my personal experiences.

[X_plorer]

Bro,

Just in case.....

FYI, in terms of love-relationship, some SG gals can be worse than other nationalities. Never ever use a SG gal as a yardstick.

In terms of earning a living here; while the ability to do so is one matter, but the ability to manage one's spending is another matter.

NOTE: my comment carries no offence to bros with SG GF or OC, but is base purely on my personal experiences.

Bro ekemono,

You are damn right.. That's why i didn't maried a sg gal.. They must be thinking they are so great.. A lot of SG gals out there just looking for 5 Cs husband and bf, people with high end cars, how many of them are really earning high income, whereas these sg gals they themselves are earning not very high income.. But 1 important things is, not all the sg gals, but i would say quite a lot, especially office gals, and those working in big organisation, thinking they are very big but in fact nothing to boost about.. Even they are manager, supervisor, so what unless they are the CEO, VP etc.. so their circle of friends also not the same, in fact the higher their position, they are not looking upon 5 Cs, but in fact true love.

Previously when i just finished my studies and awaiting for NS, i also kena this kind of gals. I really remember 1 phrase which she told me till now.. At that time, i was driving my dad's old car as he change a new car already. I've been fetching her to and fro work everyday, and bloody shit, she work in Raffles Place, the ERP charges can kill liao.. After a period of time, my car was sold away, as it is also near to scap. Then i told her i will pick her up in a van, but she said dun ever drive this kind of vehicle to fetch her. After broke up, quite a period of time later. I drove my friend new Merc and call her. She was shock when i picked her up, she thought that i bought, and immdiately that next day called me up to pick her for a ride..

Till date now, i still remember this which really boost my morale and finally made a bit of results in my career life, even if I'm able to afford a BMW or whatever car, it doesn't matters. Anyway if the car can brings me from Pt a to Pt B, that's it. But of course a more decent car on the road.. But anyway, i just sold my normal car and change to a weekend car.. See no purpose to drive, but having a weekend car to standby just in case. Taking MRT could be a enjoyable process, got so many pretty gals to look at..

Thanks to her that i able to climd up to this stage, though not a very high income, but able to feed my family, buy my car, and house later all by myself, i think that should be enough for me. Leading a normal life with no financial stress is good enough liao..

[lovemachine]

Bro,

Just in case.....

FYI, in terms of love-relationship, some SG gals can be worse than other nationalities. Never ever use a SG gal as a yardstick.

In terms of earning a living here; while the ability to do so is one matter, but the ability to manage one's spending is another matter.

NOTE: my comment carries no offence to bros with SG GF or OC, but is base purely on my personal experiences.

hi ekemono,

thanks for your note and no offense here. as im born and brought up here, its easy for me to use a sg girl as a yardstick but i dun really have a preference for any particular nationality. at the end of the day it still boils down to dollars and cents though i personally prefer to marry someone from my own race. i have had a mainland chinese girlfrind during my uni days and shes like any normal sg girls - except that shes gentler.

as for earning a living, honestly if i have an income high enough, i prefer my wife not to work (or work just for fun). as such its dollars and cents.

like it or not, alot of things boil down to money actually. and its our job as men to work and bring the dough back, otherwise, we will have to face a lot of trade offs here and there. :)

[lovemachine]

Bro ekemono,

You are damn right.. That's why i didn't maried a sg gal.. They must be thinking they are so great.. A lot of SG gals out there just looking for 5 Cs husband and bf, people with high end cars, how many of them are really earning high income, whereas these sg gals they themselves are earning not very high income.. But 1 important things is, not all the sg gals, but i would say quite a lot, especially office gals, and those working in big organisation, thinking they are very big but in fact nothing to boost about.. Even they are manager, supervisor, so what unless they are the CEO, VP etc.. so their circle of friends also not the same, in fact the higher their position, they are not looking upon 5 Cs, but in fact true love.

Previously when i just finished my studies and awaiting for NS, i also kena this kind of gals. I really remember 1 phrase which she told me till now.. At that time, i was driving my dad's old car as he change a new car already. I've been fetching her to and fro work everyday, and bloody shit, she work in Raffles Place, the ERP charges can kill liao.. After a period of time, my car was sold away, as it is also near to scap. Then i told her i will pick her up in a van, but she said dun ever drive this kind of vehicle to fetch her. After broke up, quite a period of time later. I drove my friend new Merc and call her. She was shock when i picked her up, she thought that i bought, and immdiately that next day called me up to pick her for a ride..

Till date now, i still remember this which really boost my morale and finally made a bit of results in my career life, even if I'm able to afford a BMW or whatever car, it doesn't matters. Anyway if the car can brings me from Pt a to Pt B, that's it. But of course a more decent car on the road.. But anyway, i just sold my normal car and change to a weekend car.. See no purpose to drive, but having a weekend car to standby just in case. Taking MRT could be a enjoyable process, got so many pretty gals to look at..

Thanks to her that i able to climd up to this stage, though not a very high income, but able to feed my family, buy my car, and house later all by myself, i think that should be enough for me. Leading a normal life with no financial stress is good enough liao..

hi xplorer, just wondering which country does your wife hails from? care to share exp in terms of problems/cultural differences?

For me, for sg girls, i reckon there are 1 pretty one for every 30 sggirls. and probably the same ratio for rich guys. but dun forget, there are quite a lot of rich guys who fuck and throw, i know many of my friends who do just that and many girls who fall for this. At the end of the day, there is no free lunch, sg girls who are only pretty but expect a easy ticket in life by hitching up a rich guy aint gonna have it easy, for those rich guys have high expectations, a pretty face only isnt going to go far - everyone will age eventually.

i know many pretty girls in the late 20s who got dumped and with time against them, they realised that if they want a happy marriage, they need to find a guy who is serious about them and they dun have much choices either.

For the best advice for guys, esp those like me in the early or mid twenties is that unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth, the best way out is to work hard and smart and get $$$. In the meantime, no point getting into relationships (unless you lower your expectations).

Make Vitamin M. Unless we get lucky with a girl who really appreciate us, else its best not to bang on luck alone.

For me, the appeal of commercial sex is the ability to pay, fuck and go. No strings attached. But after a long while its getting boring cos i always get this empty feeling after boning something commercially.

Not matter how pretty the face is, how great the body is, how erotic the bj,pj,hj,fj is, it ends there. Period.

After a while, i start to yearn for a serious relationship but heck, reality will set in as the society measure a men's worth by his wealth. For those who argue that character counts, its my personal belief that most people are good in nature. And so long as you are responsible towards your loved ones - family and friends - i noticed a lot of bastards (who are family loving) do get away doing fuck up things.

Anyway we all only live once. "It's My Life!"

[colins]

Wah Bro lovemachine, looks like you've really done your homework! Good points there.

BTW you do get more empty feeling after going into relationship with WL. Guess its a matter of settling which things first.

[slider_72]

Actually for me, having cheonged over the past decade and a half, I get that empty feeling after each cheonging session. It was begining to feel like a waste of time, money and energy on my part, plus it was starting to get boring.

Recently I met a PRC WL and did the unthinkable; I fell for her. We went out on dates a couple of times. The usual "pak tor" thingy like driving up to Mt Faber at night, go jalan jalan along Orchard, go Geylang late at night to buy fruits, etc. It felt so sweet, just like when I was dating my CO in the past.

Alas, I have a CO so it is impossible for me to develop things further with my PRC "gf". She knows that too. Also, she is here on social visit pass and will soon go back to her home country. There is no delusion between us that this is but a temporary summer love affair.

I bought some small gifts for her but these are not expensive stuff and certainly within my means. I gave her a sum of money earlier (again an amount which is within my means) and told her that in future, if we do ever proceed to make love again, I do not want to de-mean our relationship by paying her each time we do it. On the one hand, I feel that paying her for sex makes our relationship feel so commercial but on the other hand, I do not want to short-change her or use her feelings to get free sex. I know it is a paradox but some issues in life are just so complicated.

Perhaps I am going through a mid-life crisis. Anyway, I think I shall stop cheonging altogether once she goes back in September.

The beautiful memories I have of the times we spent together will forever remain. Just like that TV ad which says "bu zai hu tian chang di jiu, zi zai hu cheng jin yong you."

Sigh, if only polygamy is allowed here in Singapore...

[aces68]

Wah Bro lovemachine, looks like you've really done your homework! Good points there.

BTW you do get more empty feeling after going into relationship with WL. Guess its a matter of settling which things first.

Yes, i agree..commercial sex feels empty after the deed is done :o.
That's why whenever i find a WL who can click emotionally with me, I always RTF her.
I guess some bros may say that this is KC trap, but personally I don't mind as having some KC is better than feeling empty...as long as it doesn't burn a hole in my pocket.

[glooper83]

hi, i have thought about all these and spoken to her about these while we were together too:

1. As a guy, its really crazy to fall for a pro (my thinking before meeting her) but this has subsided after knowing her as a person. but i cant promise myself that i wouldnt bring this up during a quarrelled. and honestly im pretty MCP, this has been a stumbling block in our r/s

2. she no longer go for luxury stuff now, i have seen her wardrobe but she does "ka" her other customers for gifts and money. this im not worried.

3. i have told her that with her education and her inability to speak english, she cant do any work here. she told me if we were to get married, she has enough to start a small shop and do what she wants. her main priorities is to stash aside 1m rmb, she already has a small apartment in Jilin for her parents fully paid up and a small shop selling cloths in harbin. so financially she claims she is fairly ok.

for life long partner, honestly i now believe she does like me but the chances are very very slim. i mean culture wise we are very very different and im just a normal middle class singaporean - and i believe i can get a decent singaporean girl (my first preference) and for this, im really unsure as even before i met her, i was more concerned about my career to worry about women, but her looks and femininity won me over.

I really feel you got something going here... It seems to be really a two-way relationship. The ultimate test for any relationship i guess would be time. Personally, i feel that any relationship less than one year is still in the honeymoon phase, and when cracks appear after that it would be very painful. Thx for the warning too! Will take note of it carefully.

[thunter]

Just like that TV ad which says "bu zai hu tian chang di jiu, zi zai hu cheng jin yong you."


what is that sentence in chinese characters please?

[colins]

what is that sentence in chinese characters please?

不在乎天长地久 只在乎曾经拥有

[X_plorer]

hi xplorer, just wondering which country does your wife hails from? care to share exp in terms of problems/cultural differences?

For me, for sg girls, i reckon there are 1 pretty one for every 30 sggirls. and probably the same ratio for rich guys. but dun forget, there are quite a lot of rich guys who fuck and throw, i know many of my friends who do just that and many girls who fall for this. At the end of the day, there is no free lunch, sg girls who are only pretty but expect a easy ticket in life by hitching up a rich guy aint gonna have it easy, for those rich guys have high expectations, a pretty face only isnt going to go far - everyone will age eventually.

i know many pretty girls in the late 20s who got dumped and with time against them, they realised that if they want a happy marriage, they need to find a guy who is serious about them and they dun have much choices either.

For the best advice for guys, esp those like me in the early or mid twenties is that unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth, the best way out is to work hard and smart and get $$$. In the meantime, no point getting into relationships (unless you lower your expectations).

Make Vitamin M. Unless we get lucky with a girl who really appreciate us, else its best not to bang on luck alone.

For me, the appeal of commercial sex is the ability to pay, fuck and go. No strings attached. But after a long while its getting boring cos i always get this empty feeling after boning something commercially.

Not matter how pretty the face is, how great the body is, how erotic the bj,pj,hj,fj is, it ends there. Period.

After a while, i start to yearn for a serious relationship but heck, reality will set in as the society measure a men's worth by his wealth. For those who argue that character counts, its my personal belief that most people are good in nature. And so long as you are responsible towards your loved ones - family and friends - i noticed a lot of bastards (who are family loving) do get away doing fuck up things.

Anyway we all only live once. "It's My Life!"

Hey Bro Lovemachine,

My wife hails from Vietnam. As for cultural wise, i would say their thinking and our thinking is totally not the same, they are very very possesive type, if you are striving for your career, it is quite tough to have a possesive wife, this is what I've been through, but unluckily i still able to strive out a career path for myself but not an easy path in my career road and still have to settle my wife also.. It had been countless quarrel and till almost divorce even have baby.. It really takes a very very long time and difficulties to make them understand our culture. Though we are more financially rich then them but we work for it.. There is nothing call free lunch and we have to strive for what we need, not god's sending.. I would say their culture and living standard doesn't really makes them to work hard or think the same as us..

I would say most of the bros who have Viet wife also encounter this problems. I would say culture and character differences..

I totally agreed for what you have say.. Commercial sex can only brings in sextifaction but not the feel that you want, the feel that you need.. Making Vitamin M is important but also cannot forget personal relationship. It might be a pushing factor to make you work hard for your Vitamin M..

All that we are going through is part and aprcel of life that we individuals are going through different patches.. So we have to accept it but in the other hand, we also have to work hard for our own happiness...

[Darkstorm]

Hey Bro Lovemachine,

My wife hails from Vietnam. As for cultural wise, i would say their thinking and our thinking is totally not the same, they are very very possesive type, if you are striving for your career, it is quite tough to have a possesive wife, this is what I've been through, but unluckily i still able to strive out a career path for myself but not an easy path in my career road and still have to settle my wife also..


Hi,

mind if I ask how long did it take you to learn to speak Vietnamese? What methods did you find best for learning the language?

[ekemono]

Hey Bro Lovemachine,

My wife hails from Vietnam. As for cultural wise, i would say their thinking and our thinking is totally not the same, they are very very possesive type, if you are striving for your career, it is quite tough to have a possesive wife, this is what I've been through, but unluckily i still able to strive out a career path for myself but not an easy path in my career road and still have to settle my wife also.. It had been countless quarrel and till almost divorce even have baby.. It really takes a very very long time and difficulties to make them understand our culture.

I agreed with you on this bro.
for me, my viet gf stays with me. As these few days busy with work project solving problem clearing piles of shits, did not called back to check on her. Then she angry and insist that I would surely have a few mins to call, and translated my actions to be not loving her anymore. I didn't pick a quarrel with her, just talk nicely and let her cool down. It's an issue I need to resolve :(

[monster.cookie]

Actually for me, having cheonged over the past decade and a half, I get that empty feeling after each cheonging session. It was begining to feel like a waste of time, money and energy on my part, plus it was starting to get boring.
Sigh, if only polygamy is allowed here in Singapore...


Yo bro slider, there are many people in your situation among my circle of friends. All chiong so many years and tasted so many chicks till chionging is monotonous. Invariably, they will start getting attached to certain WLs ot KTV chicks. I even heard one guy declaring that he wants to have a baby with his gf in Mainland China ( Hei s married with kids in Singapore btw).

I personally also been trapped in this kind of thing but escaped quite unscathed. I have evaluated and concluded ...

First we start chionging. Our COs become angry. We start quarrelling. We talk less. We get intimate less. Physical need pushes us out to chiong more. Chiong too many years till u consider any girls over 25 is "lao cai" since 18s and 20s are flying in everyday in the Boeings from every part of the world. Satisfying physical need not enough liao, want to find the feeling of being loved again. BOOM!!! Someone takes our fancy and feelings grow. Before long, you start telling yourself "This was how it was went i first met my wife!"

Eventually, like the TS mentioned, not many make it to the finishing lines. In our case, there never was a finishing line since we have a family. It is just running for the sake of running.

Now when i start thinking like that, I find myself spending more time with my CO altho i still chiong ktv for work. Rediscovering can sometimes be as fun as discovering.

To Bro TS,

with so much inside scoop, you should consider writing a non fiction novel. Cfm sell man!! Anyways, at your 20s and single, this kind of experience is invaluable. 刻骨铭心的爱. Confirm you will remember this forever.

Cheers!

[slider_72]

DAMN!!! Bro Monster.Cookie, I think you have just hit the nail squarely on its head!!! I was nodding my head to every single sentence you wrote in your last post. Including the married with kids part.

The idea of re-discovery is I think, the best advice I read so far in this forum.

In my quiet moments, I too think that this relationship with my "gf" is absurb. There is absolutely zero possibility of a happy ending. I often question myself what the hack am I doing. Notwithstanding the fact that I am fully aware that I am running into a wall, I can't seem to stop myself from speeding up.

Fortunately I can share it on this forum and find an outlet for my frustration. A million thanks to the bros who read my posts and replied.

[monster.cookie]

Bro slider,

dont mention it. I think many bros share the same problems.

And the girls...oh my god...good looking, fair skin, sweet talking, playful, adventurous, shy. Knn like secondary school sian IJ girls like that. How not to die...

My most unforgettable one is a full time zookeeper and part time ktv hostess in Beijing. Till today cannot tell whether she is true or not. Everytime i fly to china last time, definitely buy her domestic ticket to join me. For almost 1 year. I was even getting stupid thoughts then of how to get out of marriage so that I can be wif her...haha. Now think back, knn deserve a kick in my nuts!

Live a day, learn a day. I hope not to fall into similar traps i set for myself anymore.

Cheers!

[monster.cookie]

I agreed with you on this bro.
for me, my viet gf stays with me.

Bro Ekemono,

that trait is quite international la. Not specific to Vietnamese ladies. My SG wife after so many years still like that.

One lau lau jiao once advised me. He say no matter how tired, busy, in love with your mistress you are, always make a call home just to ask them how they are and how their day was. A 5 minute call will bring you mileage beyond your belief. They just need to 'bluff' themself that their man always have them in mind.

Practiced that for years and i am a true believer now!

Cheers

[Paradigm812]

Nice story

[xyz1001]

Live a day, learn a day. I hope not to fall into similar traps i set for myself anymore.



Sigh... For my case, fate play a nasty joke on us, tying both of us up in an invisible chain. Both of us knew. If it is meant as a test, she might pass the test, but i failed miserably. :(

[Paradigm812]

Bro ekemono,

You are damn right.. That's why i didn't maried a sg gal.. They must be thinking they are so great.. A lot of SG gals out there just looking for 5 Cs husband and bf, people with high end cars, how many of them are really earning high income, whereas these sg gals they themselves are earning not very high income.. But 1 important things is, not all the sg gals, but i would say quite a lot, especially office gals, and those working in big organisation, thinking they are very big but in fact nothing to boost about.. Even they are manager, supervisor, so what unless they are the CEO, VP etc.. so their circle of friends also not the same, in fact the higher their position, they are not looking upon 5 Cs, but in fact true love.

Previously when i just finished my studies and awaiting for NS, i also kena this kind of gals. I really remember 1 phrase which she told me till now.. At that time, i was driving my dad's old car as he change a new car already. I've been fetching her to and fro work everyday, and bloody shit, she work in Raffles Place, the ERP charges can kill liao.. After a period of time, my car was sold away, as it is also near to scap. Then i told her i will pick her up in a van, but she said dun ever drive this kind of vehicle to fetch her. After broke up, quite a period of time later. I drove my friend new Merc and call her. She was shock when i picked her up, she thought that i bought, and immdiately that next day called me up to pick her for a ride..

Till date now, i still remember this which really boost my morale and finally made a bit of results in my career life, even if I'm able to afford a BMW or whatever car, it doesn't matters. Anyway if the car can brings me from Pt a to Pt B, that's it. But of course a more decent car on the road.. But anyway, i just sold my normal car and change to a weekend car.. See no purpose to drive, but having a weekend car to standby just in case. Taking MRT could be a enjoyable process, got so many pretty gals to look at..

Thanks to her that i able to climd up to this stage, though not a very high income, but able to feed my family, buy my car, and house later all by myself, i think that should be enough for me. Leading a normal life with no financial stress is good enough liao..

Hahaha....Just something interesting to share. Maybe Bro ekemono can show it to SG girls :)

__________________________________________________ _____________

A young and pretty lady posted this on a popular forum:

Title: What should I do to marry a rich guy?

I'm going to be honest of what I'm going to say here. I'm 25 this
year. I'm very pretty, have style and good taste. I wish to marry a guy with $500k annual salary or above. You might say that I'm greedy, but an annual salary of $1M is considered only as middle class in New York. My requirement is not high. Is there anyone in this forum who has an income of $500k annual salary? Are you all married? I wanted to ask: what should I do to marry rich persons like you? Among those I've dated, the richest is $250k annual income, and it seems that this is my upper limit. If someone is going to move into high cost residential area on the west of New York City Garden (?), $250k annual income is not enough.

I'm here humbly to ask a few questions:

1) Where do most rich bachelors hang out? (Please list
down the names and addresses of bars, restaurant, gym)

2) Which age group should I target?

3) Why most wives of the riches is only average-looking?
I've met a few girls who doesn't have looks and are not interesting, but they are able to marry rich guys

4) How do you decide who can be your wife, and who can
only be your girlfriend? (my target now is to get married)

Ms. Pretty

Here's a reply from a Wall Street Financial guy:

Dear Ms. Pretty,

I have read your post with great interest. Guess there are lots of girls out there who have similar questions like yours. Please allow me to analyze your situation as a professional investor. My annual income is more than $500k, which meets your requirement, so I hope everyone believes that I'm not wasting time here.

From the standpoint of a business person, it is a bad decision to
marry you. The answer is very simple, so let me explain. Put the
details aside, what you're trying to do is an exchange of "beauty" and "money": Person A provides beauty, and Person B pays for it, fair and square. However, there's a deadly problem here, your beauty will fade, but my money will not be gone without any good reason. The fact is, my income might increase from year to year, but you can't be prettier year after year.

Hence from the viewpoint of economics, I am an appreciating asset, and you are a depreciating asset. It's not just normal depreciation, but exponential depreciation. If that is your only asset, your value will be much worse 10 years later

By the terms we use in Wall Street, every trading has a position,
dating with you is also a "trading position". If the trade value
dropped we will sell it and it is not a good idea to keep it for long term - same goes with the marriage that you wanted. It might be cruel to say this, but in order to make a wiser decision any assets with great depreciation value will be sold or "leased". Anyone with over $500k annual income is not a fool; we would only date you, but will not marry you. I would advice that you forget looking for any clues to marry a rich guy. And by the way, you could make yourself to become a rich person with $500k annual income.

This has better chance than finding a rich fool.


Hope this reply helps. If you are interested in "leasing" services, do contact me

signed, J.P. Morgan

[X_plorer]

Hi,

mind if I ask how long did it take you to learn to speak Vietnamese? What methods did you find best for learning the language?

Hey Bro, i do have a Viet wife but i still dun know how to speak Viet, maybe will learn a bit more in future.. I just only know a few words only.. Didn't bother to learn..

Now is 6.50am, flying to Ho Chi Minh City in 3 hours time, maybe when go there and when my wife is not around me, ssing upon pretty gals can siao kian a bit. I only know in this for Viet language..

Haha..

[xyz1001]

The idea of re-discovery is I think, the best advice I read so far in this forum.

In my quiet moments, I too think that this relationship with my "gf" is absurb. There is absolutely zero possibility of a happy ending. I often question myself what the hack am I doing. Notwithstanding the fact that I am fully aware that I am running into a wall, I can't seem to stop myself from speeding up.

I think we are living in a multi-dimension world, not only 2D, it really depends on which angle are u looking at things.

Why 'absolutely zero possibility of a happy ending' ?
If going through this relationship let you understand the meaning of re-discovery, let you remember how u used to feel abt your wife, which in fact enhanced your marriage life, is it worth it?

If this relationship can affect you so much that u might wanna quit cheonging and retire, isn't it good for both u and your family?

By going through this relationship, you have a lovely memories with your gf, re-discovery or re-kindle the love with your wife, and happily retired from cheonging. Isn't it a happy ending? If u are given the choice to turn back the clock, would u have done the same things?

Now let's put ourselves in her shoe. Where is her happy ending?
Money? Given the fact that she is working here means that she is in some kind of circumstances, situation. Are you able to solve it for her? If no, how to be happy, and why does she stick with u?

Security? She knows that marriage is impossible coz already married with kids. What else can she hope for? I was talking to her abt striking the 8 million toto would solve a lot of things. She asked what would i do. I replied that she do not need to work anymore. She looked into my eyes and asked, '然后呢？' I was thinking of keeping her as a mistress but i couldn't say it out. There was a moment of silence. Until she said, '我们还是在干坏事'. She knows what's in my mind and even the 8 million toto couldn't help the case.

Other than the limited love, little care and concern that we can give, what else can we give that can justify a happy ending for her? A little LV bag?

Bro, u are not the only one running into the wall, why is she running with u?

Just my thoughts, more like telling myself.

[aces68]

bro lovemachine, is this the end of your story..or do you have more installments in plan ? camping here :)

[slider_72]

If I can quit cheonging, enhance the relationship with my wife, etc, that is a good thing that may come out of this experience. Unfortunately men are greedy creatures. We always want the best of both worlds. I am sure the thought of keeping her with you, even as a mistress, had crossed your mind as it did mine.

Someone once said to me that if a problem can be resolved using money, then it is not really a problem at all. Modesty aside, if my "gf" is able to remain in Singapore on a long term basis, with my current income, it should not be too difficult for me to maintain her financially. That however does not solve the problem but instead create a bigger problem.

If that happens, inevitably, there will be one day when the affair is discovered. Then what? It would mean marital strife and potentially a divorce which I am not prepared to go through. Although the sparks and excitement of the relationship are long gone, I have a very good relationship with my wife. It is not as if we are going through a tough patch.

Even if I can keep the affair under wraps indefinitely, I imagine that it would be emotionally very draining, not to mention time-consuming.

With that in mind, in my logical moments, I see that a happily-ever-after scenario between me and my "gf" is impossible. We will have to part one day, if not now, perhaps a couple of years later. It is also unfair on her to expect her to be the little kept woman without any certainty when her man can come by to visit her.

Your gf is absolutely right when she said that striking the $8m toto is not going to solve the problem.

In the past, the conflict was always between the big head and the small head. Now the conflict is between the big head and the heart. The big head says "don't be stupid" whilst the heart says "stab me with that knife". Its crazy.

And to your question why is she running into the wall with me, I think at the moment, that is at best an assumption on my part. I cannot be absolutely certain that she feels the same way for me as I do for her. There is always a nagging feel at the back of my mind that perhaps I am just a guy granted the "most favoured customer" award.

Bro xyz1001, perhaps we are both masochists, enjoying the pain that comes with having a PRC WL as a "gf".

Damn, I thought I outgrew this sort of infatuation issues a decade ago...

[xyz1001]

I am sure the thought of keeping her with you, even as a mistress, had crossed your mind as it did mine.
Indeed, more than once

Someone once said to me that if a problem can be resolved using money, then it is not really a problem at all.
I used to tell that to my wife, I'm not that rich, but i just there are many other things that money cannot solve. If it is money, i have plenty of ways to raise it.
Modesty aside, if my "gf" is able to remain in Singapore on a long term basis, with my current income, it should not be too difficult for me to maintain her financially. That however does not solve the problem but instead create a bigger problem.
Likewise, financially can be arranged. Yes, we can, but we shouldn't

If that happens, inevitably, there will be one day when the affair is discovered. Then what? It would mean marital strife and potentially a divorce which I am not prepared to go through. Although the sparks and excitement of the relationship are long gone, I have a very good relationship with my wife. It is not as if we are going through a tough patch.
Same situation too.

With that in mind, in my logical moments, I see that a happily-ever-after scenario between me and my "gf" is impossible. We will have to part one day, if not now, perhaps a couple of years later. It is also unfair on her to expect her to be the little kept woman without any certainty when her man can come by to visit her.

Your gf is absolutely right when she said that striking the $8m toto is not going to solve the problem.

In the past, the conflict was always between the big head and the small head. Now the conflict is between the big head and the heart. The big head says "don't be stupid" whilst the heart says "stab me with that knife". Its crazy.
I think in our logical moments, we both know very well what should we do. Yes, it is a constant battle between the head and the heart. Problem with me is that i favour the heart, so the heart has been winning. Perhaps the only consolation is that she is more logical than me.

Damn, I thought I outgrew this sort of infatuation issues a decade ago...
haha... me too


Somehow, i wish that she would ask me to quit cheonging, coz i think i would really do it.

[X_plorer]

Hahaha....Just something interesting to share. Maybe Bro ekemono can show it to SG girls :)

__________________________________________________ _____________

A young and pretty lady posted this on a popular forum:

Title: What should I do to marry a rich guy?

I'm going to be honest of what I'm going to say here. I'm 25 this
year. I'm very pretty, have style and good taste. I wish to marry a guy with $500k annual salary or above. You might say that I'm greedy, but an annual salary of $1M is considered only as middle class in New York. My requirement is not high. Is there anyone in this forum who has an income of $500k annual salary? Are you all married? I wanted to ask: what should I do to marry rich persons like you? Among those I've dated, the richest is $250k annual income, and it seems that this is my upper limit. If someone is going to move into high cost residential area on the west of New York City Garden (?), $250k annual income is not enough.

I'm here humbly to ask a few questions:

1) Where do most rich bachelors hang out? (Please list
down the names and addresses of bars, restaurant, gym)

2) Which age group should I target?

3) Why most wives of the riches is only average-looking?
I've met a few girls who doesn't have looks and are not interesting, but they are able to marry rich guys

4) How do you decide who can be your wife, and who can
only be your girlfriend? (my target now is to get married)

Ms. Pretty

Here's a reply from a Wall Street Financial guy:

Dear Ms. Pretty,

I have read your post with great interest. Guess there are lots of girls out there who have similar questions like yours. Please allow me to analyze your situation as a professional investor. My annual income is more than $500k, which meets your requirement, so I hope everyone believes that I'm not wasting time here.

From the standpoint of a business person, it is a bad decision to
marry you. The answer is very simple, so let me explain. Put the
details aside, what you're trying to do is an exchange of "beauty" and "money": Person A provides beauty, and Person B pays for it, fair and square. However, there's a deadly problem here, your beauty will fade, but my money will not be gone without any good reason. The fact is, my income might increase from year to year, but you can't be prettier year after year.

Hence from the viewpoint of economics, I am an appreciating asset, and you are a depreciating asset. It's not just normal depreciation, but exponential depreciation. If that is your only asset, your value will be much worse 10 years later

By the terms we use in Wall Street, every trading has a position,
dating with you is also a "trading position". If the trade value
dropped we will sell it and it is not a good idea to keep it for long term - same goes with the marriage that you wanted. It might be cruel to say this, but in order to make a wiser decision any assets with great depreciation value will be sold or "leased". Anyone with over $500k annual income is not a fool; we would only date you, but will not marry you. I would advice that you forget looking for any clues to marry a rich guy. And by the way, you could make yourself to become a rich person with $500k annual income.

This has better chance than finding a rich fool.


Hope this reply helps. If you are interested in "leasing" services, do contact me

signed, J.P. Morgan

Hey Bro Paradim812,

I like your story very much.. But add on top of that, pretty gals then to have more Bees buzzing around, so if the person is earning above $500k P.A., who or where got the time to look after her or even bonk her every night.. Unless that person is a Business Owner, and do not need to work everyday, but even business owners would be more keen to meddle with their businesses to expand even further rather than to spent so much time on her..

Though i've not reach that income yet but i got quite a few friends earning that income or more, i would say none of them is keen on finding a pretty wife but a good wife but pretty mistress, so i would say that pretty babes mostly would be eligible for rich men's mistress than wife..

[glooper83]

Hey Bro Paradim812,

I like your story very much.. But add on top of that, pretty gals then to have more Bees buzzing around, so if the person is earning above $500k P.A., who or where got the time to look after her or even bonk her every night.. Unless that person is a Business Owner, and do not need to work everyday, but even business owners would be more keen to meddle with their businesses to expand even further rather than to spent so much time on her..

Though i've not reach that income yet but i got quite a few friends earning that income or more, i would say none of them is keen on finding a pretty wife but a good wife but pretty mistress, so i would say that pretty babes mostly would be eligible for rich men's mistress than wife..

I guess thats just the way the cookie crumbles. Good wife to manage the house. Pretty mistress for entertainment. Hardly... hardly... can find one woman to do both. Which is why i always wish for the good olden age of ancient china, but my friend constantly remind me that they din shave last time.

[starbliz]

good and a nice story

[lovemachine]

hi all, for those who are wondering where the heck i went.

i was at her place for the last 1 week.

And so many things changed. Will def continue to post here to update for those interested.

I dont go on SBF during office hours and i reach home really late.

Will do so asap. In the mean time, romance is in the air - still. :)

[lovemachine]

Apologies for not adhering to the rules here. :P

I got zapped cos i quoted unnecessarily, sorry becos i was just trying to be precise and wont do it again. :P

[colins]

Welcome back bro lovemachine. In that case, your last 1 week probably seem like 1 month for you. Dun worry the rest of the world hasn't change much. Awaiting your updates man. Take care.

[glooper83]

Welcome back bro lovemachine. In that case, your last 1 week probably seem like 1 month for you. Dun worry the rest of the world hasn't change much. Awaiting your updates man. Take care.

Wrong, the last 1 week was like 1 month for us. Cos we were anxiously waiting for updates.

The last 1 week was like 1 day for him. Cos he was enjoying/savouring every min of it. :D

[colins]

Wrong, the last 1 week was like 1 month for us. Cos we were anxiously waiting for updates.

The last 1 week was like 1 day for him. Cos he was enjoying/savouring every min of it. :D

Haha...true
dun be jealous la.

[MF101]

Thanks TS for sharing your story. I'm also in a similar circumstance as yourself, but in the early stage. Though I liked her (and I think she likes me but not confirmed), I've told her clearly that after earning enough money, to pls pack up and return to the motherland, and NEVER to come back again. Yes I fancy her, but I told her to pls live a normal life again when she returns and never to get into this line again. And that also means if I will not get to see her again, ever. I really wish her the best in life.

[X_plorer]

So how to find the 2 gals, 1 managing the house , 1 for business entertainment.. haha.. i think it would be f**king tough and almost mission impossible..

[Monkey4]

To me, the datum is pretty simple. Are you happy and if you are, how long do you think she can continue to make you happy. Any girl should be given the same considerations. This is the relationship part of our lives, but should be placed with equal priorities with our career and family life as well. I guess for many bros, sacrificing one for another, thinking that it will fulfil their entire life is silly. So while you work, you must also think about love. While you fall for any girl, you must also get motivation to work. Drop anyone of those, and you will become irresponsible to yourself. Cos if shit happens, you have at least two thirds of your life still going on. If you learn how to balance, you wont go into depression no matter how much shit hits the fan.

Maybe I have gone irrelevant to the topic, but I'm speaking of this after re-reading your PMs. And I really hope it helps you in any way. Do continue to update us on your situation. Nothing beats reality.

bro colins, although u are young cos only in early thirites... I must say u have all along displayed the wisdom of like at least a 50yrs old man with such candid and genuine feelings & proper words of advice. I respect and admire u.


If that happens, inevitably, there will be one day when the affair is discovered. Then what? It would mean marital strife and potentially a divorce which I am not prepared to go through. Although the sparks and excitement of the relationship are long gone, I have a very good relationship with my wife. It is not as if we are going through a tough patch.

Even if I can keep the affair under wraps indefinitely, I imagine that it would be emotionally very draining, not to mention time-consuming.

With that in mind, in my logical moments, I see that a happily-ever-after scenario between me and my "gf" is impossible. We will have to part one day, if not now, perhaps a couple of years later. It is also unfair on her to expect her to be the little kept woman without any certainty when her man can come by to visit her.

In the past, the conflict was always between the big head and the small head. Now the conflict is between the big head and the heart. The big head says "don't be stupid" whilst the heart says "stab me with that knife". Its crazy.

Bro xyz1001, perhaps we are both masochists, enjoying the pain that comes with having a PRC WL as a "gf".

Damn, I thought I outgrew this sort of infatuation issues a decade ago...


Bro slider_72, I felt the same way too.


Bro Monster.Cookie... thanks for your advice too.


TS lovemachine, really appreciate your frankness on the topic.... started reading hated u for toying and testing your gal... but along the way understood the reasons and reservations for doing so and sincerely hope u can have a good ending.

:)

[colins]

Bro Monkey4, thanks for saying that. Your expectation is quite high and I hope I can continue to meet them. Just doing my part as I feel that sg guys are now only starting to mature in terms of our relationships with WL. I believe the bros here are doing quite well too. Cheers

[slider_72]

You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam? I wonder what went on through their minds to abandon wife and kids behind to start a new life with their PRC/Viet gfs.

Its quite scary how strong the lure of the PRC and Viet meimeis have on Singaporean men. Is there something seriously wrong with the Singaporean men, or perhaps there is something seriously wrong with the Singaporean women?

One thing I have to say though, the PRC girls are quite something. Some of them can really make you feel very comfortable and cosy being with them.

[glooper83]

Yup i agree. Bro Colins provides genuine advice that exudes wisdom beyond his age. And he's the first guy to up my rep pts. If i had to be gay*, he would definitely be my ideal partner! Weew weet ! :p

*wait long long :D

[Monkey4]

Bro Monkey4, thanks for saying that. Your expectation is quite high and I hope I can continue to meet them. Just doing my part as I feel that sg guys are now only starting to mature in terms of our relationships with WL. I believe the bros here are doing quite well too. Cheers


bro colins, pls dun say that. I dun have any expectation at all. Guess all of us are here to share and gain valuable insights and learn from those seniors previously bruised or gained from such relationships.

Cheers :)

[ramon]

[QUOTE=slider_72;2973526]You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam? I wonder what went on through their minds to abandon wife and kids behind to start a new life with their PRC/Viet gfs.

Yes, I've gone through days of yearning for China and Thai girls that I met while overseas, but I just cannot imagine myself dumping my family to be with them because I've asked myself this "why would I want my family to suffer, especially my children?"

I've got an uncle who is semi retired and drawing a high salary as he is still a director of the company, his two sons are married and one teenage daughter that probably got her own life to deal with. The wife is simple minded, been a housewife since married and thus may not be exciting to my uncle.

So he spent his free time in ktvs, chionging happily until one day the wife found a viagra in his wallet and there starts the quarrellings, the cold treatment until one day he declare to the family that he is going to Shanghai for good cos he got GF there who previously was working in one of the high end ktv.

Just like that, more than 20 years of marriage blown away, a new life for my my uncle but sadness and disappointment for his family.

[colins]

Yup i agree. Bro Colins provides genuine advice that exudes wisdom beyond his age. And he's the first guy to up my rep pts. If i had to be gay*, he would definitely be my ideal partner! Weew weet ! :p

*wait long long :D

bro colins, pls dun say that. I dun have any expectation at all. Guess all of us are here to share and gain valuable insights and learn from those seniors previously bruised or gained from such relationships.

Cheers :)

Bros, thanks. Now I have to live up to the standard of an older wiser man. Can't talk cock sing songs no more. haha...juz kidding

But I learnt a lot from you guys too, while you denied your own pride and unselfishly posting your loads of experience (that I'm only making conclusion with). Esp bro DYBJ too, who has been cutting thru all the craps and making pointed comments in his unqiue style.

Kudos, mates. Let's continue our sharing!

[glooper83]

Is there something seriously wrong with the Singaporean men, or perhaps there is something seriously wrong with the Singaporean women?


Neither, I feel that this is a result of our ultra-Conservative society that is still clinging onto the traditional mindset that our forefathers brought along with them even though the times and situations have changed drastically. Values such as not engaging in pre-marital sex, having one partner, having a virgin bride amongst others are all very difficult to uphold in today’s society. Just because our country’s leaders have been able to set an example, it does not mean that we can.

[glooper83]

Is there something seriously wrong with the Singaporean men, or perhaps there is something seriously wrong with the Singaporean women?


I feel that this is a result of our ultra-Conservative society that is still clinging onto the traditional mindset that our forefathers brought along with them even though the times and situations have changed drastically. Values such as not engaging in pre-marital sex, having one partner, preserving one's virginity are all very difficult to uphold in today’s society. "Cohabiting is a disgrace to our families, and not allowed in some societies. We will be seen as loose people". Just because our country’s leaders have been able to set an example, it does not mean that we can.

1.) Men and women are getting married later – Previously our ancestors were getting married at a younger age, whilst nowadays on average men in Sg are getting married around 30 years old and are not expected to engage in pre-marital sex? Nature made us sexually reproductive at around 14-16 yrs old, when we are starting to mature. Our prime years are 20-30 when we are at our "peak".

2.) Monogamy – used to be able to take many wives in ancient times, so now when a partner cannot satisfy the cravings of one another, they stray. The deprivation (from point 1) results in a very horny society, but while the men are horny, women are taught not to be promiscuous, thus this results in them having a lower sex drive then our men. With such an imbalance in place in our society, it is no wonder that men in Sg are resorting to such measures.

3.) Love ≠ sex, most girls I know do not see the need to satisfy their bf’s needs (not at least till they are married) as they feel that you dun need to have sex when you’re in love. Perhaps this thinking has also carried on after marriage.

Most people find that their partners may have changed after marriage. But we fail to recognize that marriage is about living together, not just dating anymore. We are exposed to each other 24hrs a day and starting to learn many new things that we did not while dating, that includes knowing your partners' most undesirable information like living patterns, ugly sides… etc.

However, this is not to say that those men are right to do whatever they did, it is still not right to fool around and leave your family behind whether in the traditional mindset or not. Our thinking of women also needs to be changed in today’s egalitarian society; they have the equal right to have as much fun as we do. Ultimately, it might benefit both sexes if the women are more acceptable to having/enjoying sex and hopefully the men will be "tamed down" when a couple enjoys sex together even at a ripe old age.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Bros, thanks. Now I have to live up to the standard of an older wiser man. Can't talk cock sing songs no more. haha...juz kidding

But I learnt a lot from you guys too, while you denied your own pride and unselfishly posting your loads of experience (that I'm only making conclusion with). Esp bro DYBJ too, who has been cutting thru all the craps and making pointed comments in his unqiue style.

Kudos, mates. Let's continue our sharing!

Tks bro Colins........tats me.......well, not a certified heart doctor but definately seen enuff shit to be able to identify one who's in it:D

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Neither, I feel that this is a result of our ultra-Conservative society that is still clinging onto the traditional mindset that our forefathers brought along with them even though the times and situations have changed drastically. Values such as not engaging in pre-marital sex, having one partner, having a virgin bride amongst others are all very difficult to uphold in today’s society. Just because our country’s leaders have been able to set an example, it does not mean that we can.

Bro Glooper, I'm sorry but I cannot agree wif you more than 40% of what you've penned down.
Now, are you a frequent traveller? Have you stayed away from home for years on end at diff parts of the world? North Asia, Europe, North America???????

Well, in my opinion, Singaporeans are a damned over protected, ignorant bunch.........proud of their wealth but dunno anything much on the otherside of midnite.........

If you go to poorer countries, you'll understand how the SURVIVAL INSTINCTS drive those people to do amazing things..........things that even u can never imagine yourselves doing............

Heard of Sillyporeans being conned of their business ventures with other partners overseas??????? Ever heard of like for example, a China man being conned by a singaporean??????? I'm still waiting to hear of this till today.......

Heard of the Suzhou project which was hailed by our big brudder???????? Ever been there???????
Bro's stationed there will laugh at it till their bolls drop.............and there r many SG bros in Suzhou

Its all about exposure...the more you're exposed, the more you're aware of the dangers lurking around the corners........the more you're unaware of it, it may not even pose as a danger to you but may actually portray as sweet to you till you're bitten............

No need to say PRC, just drive up to JB & you'll notice most if not all that you really know there are more STREETSMART than our typical dude on the street.

[Wooden_Handle]

Lets say whatever con it is pre-disposed by the greed of the individual, as the con-ppl have all kinds of trick, and they can just choose the right medicine for the right guy.

[glooper83]

Its ok, i covered my backside with the words "I feel...". Its only my one sided opinion based on my limited exposure.

But, i dun quite get what you are trying to say. :o

My basis for the answer is like yin and yang, it takes both hands to clap. Thus neither guys or gals are solely to be blamed for the current situation where "You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam?" as written in the previous posts.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Its ok, i covered my backside with the words "I feel...". Its only my one sided opinion based on my limited exposure.

But, i dun quite get what you are trying to say. :o

My basis for the answer is like yin and yang, it takes both hands to clap. Thus neither guys or gals are solely to be blamed for the current situation where "You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam?" as written in the previous posts.

Basically, its all about awareness and exposure........that's all
Also, actually, these stories of people meeting other cuntry gals & went missing has been going on for like forever liao, only recently some cases were published....

[Wooden_Handle]

If like that the yang will surface later penniless, jobles..

[glooper83]

Basically, its all about awareness and exposure........that's all
Also, actually, these stories of people meeting other cuntry gals & went missing has been going on for like forever liao, only recently some cases were published....

Yup, it was only until i stepped into SBF did i fully see the potential scale of it. I think barely 1% gets published.

I really feel that being holed up in this tiny red dot is very destructive because it apparently feels so "safe". It is as though nothing bad can happen to us, but when it does, we panic, we go hysterical and finally we ask why didn't we see it coming. I hate to admit but i am indeed like one of them, naive/"innocent"/ignorant. But i feel as guys we do have a slight advantage over our gals as we served NS, a lot of shit happens there, and it does count for some experience. Sorry for stereotyping the girls but again i cover my butt with "I feel"... :D

[colins]

Its ok, i covered my backside with the words "I feel...". Its only my one sided opinion based on my limited exposure.

But, i dun quite get what you are trying to say. :o

My basis for the answer is like yin and yang, it takes both hands to clap. Thus neither guys or gals are solely to be blamed for the current situation where "You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam?" as written in the previous posts.

自古英雄配美女，不是英雄也爱美女，因为有了美女你就是英雄。
Maybe we're a repressed lot of people, but we also want our freedom. Rubber band theory - too stretched out already, once released, fly far far away.

[glooper83]

自古英雄配美女，不是英雄也爱美女，因为有了美女你就是英雄。
Maybe we're a repressed lot of people, but we also want our freedom. Rubber band theory - too stretched out already, once released, fly far far away.

Wah... summarize my 5-6 paragraphs worth of words into 3 lines. :o

Haha

[ari212121]

Years ago, i was a guest reading reviews in SBF.
Months ago, i fell in love with a WL and registered an account which i used to PM a few guys here for advise.
Weeks ago, i broke up with her, my WL lover.
Today, Im sharing my story.

The title is appropriate, although misleading - as mine is a successful story, why the tears you might ask? That's why im sharing my story and i believe having the experience i had, i will share some insights most SBF bros here don't.

Why do i do this?
1. To refute claims that it is near-IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to have real love with a PRC prostitute.

2. To give them their side of the story.

Emotional as im feeling now, i will do my best to illustrate an objective point of view.

Read on as i doubt many did what i did - and the results i got.

It does happen, but is very very rare.
Most PRC girls come here to earn a living that is it.

You must be a lucky man.

[Neighbour]

hope that TS will be back soon

Got to agree that a lot of things are looked at mulit-dimensional.

[Wooden_Handle]

Agreed, its not 2D relationship, not 3D, and cant cope with 4D, think its messy, but if threadstarter want to keep trying I will support.

[Darkstorm]

Its ok, i covered my backside with the words "I feel...". Its only my one sided opinion based on my limited exposure.

But, i dun quite get what you are trying to say. :o

My basis for the answer is like yin and yang, it takes both hands to clap. Thus neither guys or gals are solely to be blamed for the current situation where "You guys read the ST recently about Singaporean men who went missing after a stint overseas in locations like China and Vietnam?" as written in the previous posts.

Any online articele? What is the date of the newspaper article? I'll try to find it if you can roughly tell me. Thank in advance.

[glooper83]

got it from this post

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/matters-heart/64297-understanding-vietnamese-life-partner-263.html#post2970857

[kiko]

It takes 2 hands to join together, bro , if there is true love between 2 of u, go for it!

[Darkstorm]

got it from this post

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/matters-heart/64297-understanding-vietnamese-life-partner-263.html#post2970857

Thanks for the link to the post.

[Kyuzo]

I just wanna say that despite so many bro's warnings and advices, some of us still fell for these WLs. I reckon that the opposite might also stand; some of these WLs do fall for us also, even though they know that they shouldn't mix up work with personal feelings.

[PRC Rammer]

Hi bro,

I ever had relationship with PRC prostitute & ended up got cheated in finances & feeling by them :( hope nobody will go thru what I had.

[ekemono]

some of these WLs do fall for us also, even though they know that they shouldn't mix up work with personal feelings.

Agreed bro. In fact I just came to know a WL felt for me, tonight, just now.
She confessed it out. But I didn't feel a thing for her. So.. that's it.

[ilovelife.now]

It is tough being in this situation... to be honest, I am so paranoid that I employ services of a FL/WL I without giving my handphone #.. dont want them to call me back etc., brothers..!!!

BTW to add to the advice given in previous pages, it is advisable to go for a relationship during college years which may not fruitify.. it will prepare you to face similiar challenges!

[longwinter]

Agreed bro. In fact I just came to know a WL felt for me, tonight, just now.
She confessed it out. But I didn't feel a thing for her. So.. that's it.

Looks like ekemono is another heart breaker. :D

Alot of WL seem to have good feel and interested abt u wor. Must be very yandao and smooth talking.

[Macallan12]

Agreed bro. In fact I just came to know a WL felt for me, tonight, just now.
She confessed it out. But I didn't feel a thing for her. So.. that's it.
There's always a hidden agenda behind, eg school fees, rental, mother sick, etc... after you get hooked

[longwinter]

There's always a hidden agenda behind, eg school fees, rental, mother sick, etc... after you get hooked

cos the working lady oso noe, once u get hooked wif her liaos, she ask u for anything or help oso easier mah. :(

sumhow like making use of our liking for her to help her do things.

[aces68]

Hi bro,

I ever had relationship with PRC prostitute & ended up got cheated in finances & feeling by them :( hope nobody will go thru what I had.

bro, care to tell us more ?
maybe it can help us to avoid similar problem ..

[aces68]

Agreed bro. In fact I just came to know a WL felt for me, tonight, just now.
She confessed it out. But I didn't feel a thing for her. So.. that's it.

bro, how can u judge if she is telling the truth ?
I find it difficult to believe when an FL say that they like me ..:confused:

[you n me]

There is no way we can tell. Some will say they can, but then, how they do ...

Think about think why shed a tear for them, nobody will shed a tear for you if you kena snooked by WLs

[ekemono]

Looks like ekemono is another heart breaker. :D

Alot of WL seem to have good feel and interested abt u wor. Must be very yandao and smooth talking.

Nah. Old man liao. Cannot compete with those young dude.
Long due for a suntan and do sit-up to rid of beer belly :p

There's always a hidden agenda behind, eg school fees, rental, mother sick, etc... after you get hooked

You are probably right. But I am not interested to find out

bro, how can u judge if she is telling the truth ?
I find it difficult to believe when an FL say that they like me ..:confused:

Actually, who can?
In most cases we only interact with them inside the room, and half of the time we are humping like a rabbit :p
But I must admit i do KC them, if that was the cause of her crush on me. Perhaps those black belt seasoned cheongsters can enlighten us.

[aces68]

Actually, who can?
In most cases we only interact with them inside the room, and half of the time we are humping like a rabbit :p
But I must admit i do KC them, if that was the cause of her crush on me. Perhaps those black belt seasoned cheongsters can enlighten us.

How do you KC them, care to share some tips ?
for me, most of the time, I just be myself, treat them nice and they say that when they are with me, they feel very comfortable, very happy and so on. Some even say it would be good if I am their lao gong (meaning real type lao gong, not bf type) or can be their lao gong in the next life :eek:..
Most of the time, it's very difficult to tell if it's true or not, i wish someone can invent some kind of portable wireless lie-detector, i am sure it will be a hit among cheongsters like myself.

[ekemono]

How do you KC them, care to share some tips ?
for me, most of the time, I just be myself, treat them nice and they say that when they are with me, they feel very comfortable, very happy and so on. Some even say it would be good if I am their lao gong (meaning real type lao gong, not bf type) or can be their lao gong in the next life :eek:..
Most of the time, it's very difficult to tell if it's true or not, i wish someone can invent some kind of portable wireless lie-detector, i am sure it will be a hit among cheongsters like myself.

Portable lie-detector would surely be a hit. Nodel Prize....:D
Reading from your post you are also KC-ing them. But unfortunately whether for real or show on thier feelings for u, only time can tell. Really.

I dun have a secret manual, but with ppl i meet, i made an effort to develop a very personal relationship with them, individually. Coupled with I am adaptive to other's mood and tots so perhaps others find themselves comfortable being with me.
Added to that, i am someone who "gives special touch".
E.g: Some few months back, my buddy and i was bored and invited one of the WL to have steamboat/beer with us. We all use our hands to peel the prawn shell. By the time we are done, I went to wash my hands but i made an effort to bring hips of tissues and wet them, and pass to the WL. Til now she still called me to send regards even after she rush home due to the Sichun earthquake.

But of course it takes more than small acts to move a mountain.
These 2 years I have the "tao hua yin", but the downside is also short of money and no opportunity to progress in career. It is a cycle every few years.

[aces68]

Portable lie-detector would surely be a hit. Nodel Prize....:D
Reading from your post you are also KC-ing them. But unfortunately whether for real or show on thier feelings for u, only time can tell. Really.

I dun have a secret manual, but with ppl i meet, i made an effort to develop a very personal relationship with them, individually. Coupled with I am adaptive to other's mood and tots so perhaps others find themselves comfortable being with me.
Added to that, i am someone who "gives special touch".
E.g: Some few months back, my buddy and i was bored and invited one of the WL to have steamboat/beer with us. We all use our hands to peel the prawn shell. By the time we are done, I went to wash my hands but i made an effort to bring hips of tissues and wet them, and pass to the WL. Til now she still called me to send regards even after she rush home due to the Sichun earthquake.

But of course it takes more than small acts to move a mountain.
These 2 years I have the "tao hua yin", but the downside is also short of money and no opportunity to progress in career. It is a cycle every few years.

bro, that's an interesting perspective because I never considered that I was KC-ing them also. To me, it's just my natural self, respect them as ladies. But I guess that they also meet many ppl of different character, so maybe they do appreciate when someone is nice to them. Recently also, one FL went home and still message me that she miss me, but actually the extra that I did was just to have supper with her at food court (after final sexsion) before she went back. But I must admit that I would open car doors for them, make sure they get home safely, etc..but I think this is what normally local guys would do for a girl anyway, nothing special.:rolleyes:

But since you seem to be an expert, what's your advise :- what kind of signal / or act from the FL would indicate to you that she really likes you ?
I mean I have heard of FL giving money to their bf, I think there is a separate thread on this, but is this the only indication that the FL really likes you ?
that she would willingly give you money if you cook up some story of financial problem ?

[Prince7]

Agreed bro. In fact I just came to know a WL felt for me, tonight, just now.
She confessed it out. But I didn't feel a thing for her. So.. that's it.

Hooo Bro ekemono,
When you said that you didn't feel a thing for her, did the PRC FL/WL shed tears ?
You must be a very likeable man for this PRC FL/WL to fall for you ;)

[ekemono]

Hooo Bro ekemono,
When you said that you didn't feel a thing for her, did the PRC FL/WL shed tears ?
You must be a very likeable man for this PRC FL/WL to fall for you ;)

No. I never tell that straight in the face to her. I empatize with her and talk all sorts of rubbish like "I am always here for you" and such, but i never say as a friend or darling. So let her so called "interest level in me" conclude those words. If there was a real interest level in the first place.

[Prince7]

No. I never tell that straight in the face to her. I empatize with her and talk all sorts of rubbish like "I am always here for you" and such, but i never say as a friend or darling. So let her so called "interest level in me" conclude those words. If there was a real interest level in the first place.

You are right about the " real interest level ".
Could be either genuine or another KC trap.
Whichever it is, your answer given to her is a good one :D

[ekemono]

But since you seem to be an expert, what's your advise :- what kind of signal / or act from the FL would indicate to you that she really likes you ?
I mean I have heard of FL giving money to their bf, I think there is a separate thread on this, but is this the only indication that the FL really likes you ?
that she would willingly give you money if you cook up some story of financial problem ?

Yo Yo yo.. i am no expert. Just based on personal experiences. My half pail water skill cant get me anyway far.

Money is a good indication since logically money is WL's highest piority.
But you would have to agreed with me the scenario we are being thrown into are always unique everytime, the expectation of each individual is always different, so it is beyond me to be able to conclude a one solution.

I cannot tell within a meeting or two if a gal is sincere with me, and if anyone can do so, pls teach me :p
My only understanding is that we have to get into, or at least start a relationship with the gal before we can have the ability to judge. But I am sure some guys who had similar relationships in the past has an advantages to it.

I view being in relationship with a working gals whom we brand as being sincere with us (period), they will make incremental sacrifices to adapt to the goal of a healthier relationship with us. This incremantation or decrement is spur by each other's standings and the ability to commit, thru series of events along the relationship.

I cannot apprehand having a relationship with a working gal if all I do is go to her workplace and support her every other day. That IMHO, is purely for the sake of pleasure. And it may also helps to indicate that why some very seasoned cheongster (not me:p) is able to dive deep into it and yet have a clear line drawn between lust and emotions.

In summary, I can't tell in short instant if an FL really likes me, and I hope to be enlighten in this. But even if eventually we are lucky enough to meet our mate, there will always be a risk of being used. So it is only how much of the risk you are willing to take.

Meet up with her again and ask yourself that. Cheers and paiseh for my loli loso.

[PRC Rammer]

bro, care to tell us more ?
maybe it can help us to avoid similar problem ..

2 years back, I am a single man who fallen in love with a PRC whore working in KTV. We went thru a relationship for 10 months. She is on those 2 years visa multiple-trips entering to Sg some called it business visa or merchant pass.

When I started out sianing & bonking her, she promised me that we will had a future & will never had intention to cheat my money. She said she is kind-hearted nature people & only earn what is rightful to her so she said I must pay her for her time & sex with me. Everytime when she come to Sg, I give her $2,500 a month & also buy expensive gifts for her. Then both of us are happy we meet every weekends & bonk. I treated her very well she sick I bring her to doctor & support her when the KTV is rumoured raids. I also remit $1,500 to her when her parents meet an accident & hospitalisd in China.

At that times I already she had a married man bf in Sg whom she seen as her life partner. With me & another middle-age old men bonking her during her 2 months stay, she still to lied to married man bf, middle-age old man lover & me :mad: that she is truthful to us.

Before I ended my stints with this PRC whore, I found out that actually her married man bf did not spend much money on her except me & that middle-age man. Both of us spend $10,000 each on these whore. Her priority is that married man bf & she prefer to fuck by him.

Yet to find out being 10 months with her, she treated me like a stranger telling her hostel mates I am just another man. No doubt I am stupid but with the help & advice from my senior cheongster friends I managed to get it over. Money losses is small thing, I can alway earn & save back thru hard work. Learn this lesson & never be a fool again.

Last but not least she also asked me to loan her RMB150,000 (SGD30,000) to set up business in China so she can quit working. ALL LIED !!!!

Again thank to all friends because their words woke me up I did not loan her the money instead I run off and that middle-age man run off much earlier than me.

Just hope brothers wishing a good relationship with such whores, please think twice & you guys read about my plights :)

[aces68]

I view being in relationship with a working gals whom we brand as being sincere with us (period), they will make incremental sacrifices to adapt to the goal of a healthier relationship with us. This incremantation or decrement is spur by each other's standings and the ability to commit, thru series of events along the relationship..

bro, tks for your long and insightful posting. In your case, what would you deem as sacrifice by the FL ?

Once, I knew an FL who liked me (my guess only, that time I still green in cheonging) that she suggested that she want to deleted her thread from SBF so that I won't feel hurtful when I read her thread..of course I knew her thru SBF. Is this sacrifice ?

On the other hand, she would tell me how she rejected someone who want to bao her at 5k a month, to me this is a bit of KC, like trying to catch me into her fish line (sorry, dunno how to describe, in cantonese mean 'diu dai yu', but I am not big fish-leh)..then once she told me that one of her gf got a laptop from the bf and I made the mistake of saying that I will buy one too if she learns english..ever since then she bugged me for the laptop by saying things like it's up to you lor, no need to buy if you dun want..to me this is a bit of KC. then later, she said that her gf got post-paid phone line from bf, so asked me to get one for her also using the same kind of tactics (up to you lor kind of words)..at that time her hp also seems to be spoiled, so i did get a phone line for her with a new phone..but I think it's gone a bit too far and she seems to take me as 'robert'.. what is your opinion ?

it's still kinda on-going but now she back in China and i'm trying to think of a good plan to dump her gently so that we would remain friends and I still have chance to up her as FL :p

[ekemono]

bro, tks for your long and insightful posting. In your case, what would you deem as sacrifice by the FL ?

Hi bro aces68, I am not good with my England so I suppose you had a hard time making out my words. But I am hope they are useful to you.

Deleting away threads does not amount to any act of sacrifice, in true sense.
Those customers who had posted thier FR would surely had retain her ctc for future RTF. And if an active or existing thread can serve its purpose to bump up an FL business, so can sharing of ctc thru bros and friends behind the scence be an alternative. So deleting thread made no or not enough impact.
Further to it, the period which the gal had suggested this may have been the period in which she had already or almost achieve her objective.
While i agree no one will have too much money, RTF and street walking was other alternate form of raking in the money for her.
Appearing on SBF is just a bonus, maybe a fat one, but not a crucial one. Otherwise, that means all other FL eat shit liao.

bro, I sense the case that you presented here carries abit of a burden to you financially, and the series of acts resembling victimised KC trap.
But i encourage other bros to share thier view before any firm conclusion is made.

But i give you another example, real life one.
Remember the WL i wet the tissue for her to clean her hands?
One fine day I wanted to catch a movie and invited her along. We went to Orchard area. After it I show her around takashimaya and since she is going back very soon in fear of the Sichun case, i told her i will buy her a gift (anyway it is a compensation for a FOC bonk). So a purse it was.
I ENCOURAGED her to look at more expensive brands, even help the promoter to convince her. Wooh.., you can tell she fell in love with those beautiful stuff, eyes gleaming and all that. However, she puts them back and walk away. I have to catch up with her and pull her back to the purse dept. I insist a gift.

So she said ok but her own choice.
Damage: $60 Toscano purse after discount. She says very shiok because got good discount.
Other brands easily $120 above.

LV and Channel that type not my league la

[aces68]

But i give you another example, real life one.
Remember the WL i wet the tissue for her to clean her hands?
One fine day I wanted to catch a movie and invited her along. We went to Orchard area. After it I show her around takashimaya and since she is going back very soon in fear of the Sichun case, i told her i will buy her a gift (anyway it is a compensation for a FOC bonk). So a purse it was.
I ENCOURAGED her to look at more expensive brands, even help the promoter to convince her. Wooh.., you can tell she fell in love with those beautiful stuff, eyes gleaming and all that. However, she puts them back and walk away. I have to catch up with her and pull her back to the purse dept. I insist a gift.

So she said ok but her own choice.
Damage: $60 Toscano purse after discount. She says very shiok because got good discount.
Other brands easily $120 above.

LV and Channel that type not my league la

hi bro ekemono, no problem. Your england is same same as mine, as long as is SBF england, sure no problem to understand. :D. Tks for your analysis, I also think I kena KC trap but lucky not so shiong type. What I am curious to ask you is :-

1. how do you define the purse as a compensation for FOC bonk ? Do you mean that before bonking you told her you will get her a purse OR after bonking and she did not charge then you told her that you will get her a purse..I always find it hard to compensate FOC bonk, but somehow I think the FL always calculate in their mind how many bonk was FOC, therefore they should get equivalent value in gifts..do you think so ?
2. wah, you damn daring, bring her to expensive shop, what if she decided on an LV, will you buy for her or will you have some backup plan to escape from buying the LV ?
3. another question is was she like your gf or just good friend? in my case, FL always call me lao gong (of course I also call her lao po) and we used to spend overnight together which I paid her only twice. I didn't pay her the other times because she never ask. I have not yet meet a FL who rejected my payment, maybe I not yandao or lucky enough..:D

[lovemachine]

dear friends,

im back after another roller coaster ride (once again).

the last 2 weeks have been nice (very nice) but peppered with lotsa quarrells.

She has been exceptional nice to me after our last major quarrel.

Brought me shopping for cloths, shoes and belts. Spent like $500 on me?

It stopped when she wanted to buy me a pair of $400 + branded glasses.

I didnt want her to spend her hard earned money like that on me. beside im not a fan of branded stuff.

i returned the favour and spent $500 on her as well, cloths etc. sorta like an exchange as i dun wan her to be on the losing end.

and it turned out that she must have been feeling guilty. recently she got to know a rich guy who is my age and drives a BMW convertible.

within 2 weeks of knowing her, he spent like around $5k on her on her shopping trip.

this, she told me herself when she could have hide it from me.

for her - she wants to be transparent and during her course of work, they (WLs) would all gladly have guys paying for their shopping spree.

so she felt bad and spend on me.

to me, i dun really feel shit that she's "dating" this guy as he's like really determined to "woo" her.

i already knew this would be part and parcel of the relationship when it first started.

anyway to me, my main concern was, if this "sucker" were to be serious about marrying her, (which in my own opinion is very low chance but its still a chance), then i shouldnt hold her back as it would affect her. This guy is supposedly rich (he could be a player faking it) and decent looking.

I told her about this that we might not end up in a marriage and that if she meets a guy who is qualified, then i could be the one holding her back (her lifetime happiness). She cried.

For me, im taking a back seat now and just moved out of her place 2 nights ago. So that in case he sends her back, i wouldnt be the stumbling block.

Play is play but honestly i do like her. And its not a good feeling. But luckily work is "normal" for me. Only a little affected.

For me, im sure we cant work out a marriage with the issue being on my side. Even if she likes me truly (of course money is ALWAYS a consideration whoever i date, WL or not), its hard to make it work.

And honestly for me, i cant be sure if shes just playing it safe. For e.g. i can never know if emotionally she is true about me. Reason? I know she exchanges all those lovey dovey smses and go on shopping trips with guys. Also she have sex with them for money. So there is NO way if she falls for any of them. And there are tons of guys who are easily richer and better looking than me. Im just an average joe.

Anyway emotionally im sorta "wreaking" haha. But from this, im just absolutely convinced that a man's worth is measured by his wealth. i hope i dun sound extreme but i think this is true all along, dating her only reinforces my beliefs. Of course i hope i would be blinded by this pursue in money only.

For now, i would say she likes me truly and of course, im her passport (anyone with a SG passport is one in fact).

But one thing is less than 50hours leaving her place, im itching to meet her again haha.

consoling thing is that i just hit on a malaysian girl working in SG 1 month ago and another young singapore girl. Working on them now to help divert attention away from her.

but honestly right now - i do really like her and probably just see how it goes.

I am interested to see how she will react in the next few days given that i told her to give that rich guy a shot for her own marriage.

till then tata.

[ramon]

Hmmmm...seems like there are quite a number of bros here who want to have a serious relationship with a WL/FL.

I was smitten by a few China and Thai WLs before, it got so bad that I want to be with them everyday and yearn for their companionship but every time when that happens I have to rationalise with myself that I'm married with a kid and this is something that's short lived. In the end it will probably cause me and my family unwanted problems just because I didn't use my bloody brains to think a bit more.

So nowadays when I go to ktvs, I will :
Choose a girl that's friendly and hardworking, cos she is going to:
1)use the remote and choose the songs for me
2)massage my neck cos I probably had a lousy day
3)feed me fruits and replenish my drinks.
4)talk only when I wanna talk
5)be fxxked when I told her I want to (of course she must be willing lah)

I will tell the girl that I'll pay her $100 for tips (min 3 hours and no butterfly) $300.00 to fxxk her for 3 hours. If she agrees then she gets to sit with me.

I will delete her phone number after that and will not ask to sit with her again or RTF.

A KTV is not a place to look for love, but if you like short cuts to get love and a boost of ego to make a ktv girl fall for you, then it's just a matter of choice one have to decide, but for me I'm there to be entertained, enjoy myself and not entertaining them, I don't need the KC cos I dun want phone calls or mushy sms to complicate my life.

[Prince7]

After reading thru' many of the bros' encounters and experiences, I have learned alot :D

For me, I get to know this WL.
We are close to a certain extend that we shared many things including our problems, about our families, loved ones etc.
She would frequently call me and msg me, almost everyday, when she is free or not servicing customers. We had very good chemistry. And I treated her extremely well.
Whenever she poke the question on Why I treated her so well, my answer is always either "I don't know" or "because you are my good friend".
I have never ask her about her feelings towards me even though she treated me very well.

Until such time that I'm sure of her feelings towards me, we shall remain as "Good friends" or WL / Customer relationships.

The question to which I always ask myself :- There are so many guys she faced everyday, what makes me standout among them? Does she treat the other customers the same ?
Till now, I take her GFE as just plain KC trap.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

2 years back, I am a single man who fallen in love with a PRC whore working in KTV. We went thru a relationship for 10 months. She is on those 2 years visa multiple-trips entering to Sg some called it business visa or merchant pass.

When I started out sianing & bonking her, she promised me that we will had a future & will never had intention to cheat my money. She said she is kind-hearted nature people & only earn what is rightful to her so she said I must pay her for her time & sex with me. Everytime when she come to Sg, I give her $2,500 a month & also buy expensive gifts for her. Then both of us are happy we meet every weekends & bonk. I treated her very well she sick I bring her to doctor & support her when the KTV is rumoured raids. I also remit $1,500 to her when her parents meet an accident & hospitalisd in China.

At that times I already she had a married man bf in Sg whom she seen as her life partner. With me & another middle-age old men bonking her during her 2 months stay, she still to lied to married man bf, middle-age old man lover & me :mad: that she is truthful to us.

Before I ended my stints with this PRC whore, I found out that actually her married man bf did not spend much money on her except me & that middle-age man. Both of us spend $10,000 each on these whore. Her priority is that married man bf & she prefer to fuck by him.

Yet to find out being 10 months with her, she treated me like a stranger telling her hostel mates I am just another man. No doubt I am stupid but with the help & advice from my senior cheongster friends I managed to get it over. Money losses is small thing, I can alway earn & save back thru hard work. Learn this lesson & never be a fool again.

Last but not least she also asked me to loan her RMB150,000 (SGD30,000) to set up business in China so she can quit working. ALL LIED !!!!

Again thank to all friends because their words woke me up I did not loan her the money instead I run off and that middle-age man run off much earlier than me.

Just hope brothers wishing a good relationship with such whores, please think twice & you guys read about my plights :)

Wow bro, understand how u feel...kinda went thru the same shit like you but never dumped so much $$$$...for her, she knows me also, me very stingy one...hehehehe
Well, back on your feet, dun stop cheonging...just turn the KC trap this time and start a scorecard on kills...hehehehe

[DO_YOU_BJ]

The situation is simple....
Nothing good will turn of from having a relationship with a WL.....very very few....like a grain of sand in the ocean. So better be safe.

Only when a WL is ready to throw in the towel, will it be a good time to be a REAL contender for her to be wif u for....however long.....

Then again, this is also a KC trap in the making, so that when she says me gonna 收山 you will let your guard down and thus invest more time, feelings & $$$ on her.
So, my advise is, when you're with a WL & whatever she tells you, you may want to believe her but somehow something in your feels not rite...trust your instincts, its your defensive mechanism talking to you......trust it, it could save you a lot of heartache......

Loosing $$$$ is ok, cos you can spend, means you can earn back...but the heartpain....nabei........you cant control & have to live through it....not worth it....

[DO_YOU_BJ]

3. another question is was she like your gf or just good friend? in my case, FL always call me lao gong (of course I also call her lao po) and we used to spend overnight together which I paid her only twice. I didn't pay her the other times because she never ask. I have not yet meet a FL who rejected my payment, maybe I not yandao or lucky enough..:D
It's not called lucky or maybe it is...they just dun wanna KC trap you only.......
Not wanting money from you is actually the 1st step of KC Trap.....so dun be too happy my friend

[ekemono]

What I am curious to ask you is :-

1) Some time back i push the money to her, she rejected. After that didn't meet up with her until she told me Sichun issue and flying home fast. So fast hand fast leg want to blang-ja her on anything la, either restaurant dinner or gift. But she spicy Oriental taste i true blue American junk food man. So end up Food Republic at Wisma. After that brought her to Taka.

2) Those LV and Channel has thier own boutique inside Ngee Ann City. I brought her to Taka. If she insist LV I will tell her too expensive for me. I never act rich in the first place.

3) She is an FL cum friend. I not her lao gong. Neither will I call her lau po.

Whether she likes me or not I am not interested to find out. I dun have the resources to flirt around. One is enough for me. :p

[Cheonging101]

Whether she likes me or not I am not interested to find out. I dun have the resources to flirt around. One is enough for me. :p

If all Singapore guys can rationalise like you do, all the PRC meimeis would start to lay KC traps elsewhere already!:p

[colins]

For me, im taking a back seat now and just moved out of her place 2 nights ago. So that in case he sends her back, i wouldnt be the stumbling block.


Can imagine the emotional turmoil in your mind all this time. For this kind of feeling (missing her), there is no substitute, you can't find consolation anywhere else except in her presence. Yet the presence is suffocating, and everything seems to defy logic. I've been through this in '06 while in China.

Bro, if you need anything, let me know.

[justl00king]

Bros,

It's actually quite easy to tell if the FL/WL is sincerely interested in you and not your wallet. That is...MONEY is never in the picture.

Ever heard of stories that those FL BFs, treat them like shit and use thier money? Yet they still kwai kwai stick with them. Why, love lor. If the gal really likes you, it means she enjoys your company and time etc. Money is never in her thoughts and she may even spend on you, like treating you to meals of gifts.

These FL/WL all earns big bucks, think they really need your money? Those sob stories are all just a bunch of crap to rope you in for the kill. If you follow this rule, worst only get cheat feelings or sperm. :p

We keep hearing stories of being con money, feelings etc. They are playing on your emotions, that you like them. So you shower them with money or gifts to show you can take good care of them.I know it takes two to tango. So if you dun tango, they can't get your money.

But if you playing the field and just wanna keep her for mistress, then by all means pay her a reasonable sum and fuck the shit out of them. :D

[colins]

Bros,

It's actually quite easy to tell if the FL/WL is sincerely interested in you and not your wallet. That is...MONEY is never in the picture.

Ever heard of stories that those FL BFs, treat them like shit and use thier money? Yet they still kwai kwai stick with them. Why, love lor. If the gal really likes you, it means she enjoys your company and time etc. Money is never in her thoughts and she may even spend on you, like treating you to meals of gifts.



Provided the bro is not already smittened with lies and actually believe the FL/WL. Sometimes self-worth is heightened during the KC, and it is addictive to continue to live in that matrix. Reality is bleak for a lot of us who can't get what we want.

[justl00king]

Provided the bro is not already smittened with lies and actually believe the FL/WL. Sometimes self-worth is heightened during the KC, and it is addictive to continue to live in that matrix. Reality is bleak for a lot of us who can't get what we want.Bro,

That's precisely the problem why so many bros gets trapped. The feeling of being wanted and loved during the KC process which is just an illusion. Must really snap out of it and come back to reality.

[colins]

Bro,

That's precisely the problem why so many bros gets trapped. The feeling of being wanted and loved during the KC process which is just an illusion. Must really snap out of it and come back to reality.

Thats why, after seeing so many willing victims, that I believe the main problem lies with self-worth. Everyone knows FL are in for money, most of the bros know once they give in, they become carrot heads. All these are very common knowledge.

But like what you said, dun give money loh, so simple. One solution solves all problems, right?

Again if you look deeper, seriously its not about buying sex liao. Its about buying what the victims deemed as priceless, but now has a price. So they willingly pay, knowing that even if they pay, it will only last for a while. Even when they know they will suffer, like drop from heaven afterwards, they still hung on. Then this is no longer money. This is like drug or a compulsive gambling habit. Like when you gamble, you start thinking that all your money is your capital.

So I believe for those helpless bros, viewing KC trap as a form of reality will help them. Show them it is a dream, but the process of dreaming is a reality. You are fulfilling a need to dream. In that respect, it might be easier to bring them down before the big fall. So the best way is to show them lots of examples, hopefully they will know whats inevitable and make a wiser choice.

[ekemono]

Sex is easy and dun carry it's worth for long. It is the false sense of belonging a guy cultivate in his mind.
Day-in-day-out from work, nobody gives a shit about him. Then a fav. WL comes in and swept him off his feet. She knows exactly what he needs, and she has exactly what he needs. And the KC trap is set.

Sooner or later the guy demanded more, because sex alone is short-lived, he needs the companionship and the closer interaction and involvement from the WL to fuel his percieved sense of belonging, that's is also when the WL starts to reap her harvest, thru monetary compensation.

The guy is either already seriously "thirst" for her, and gladly gave in to the demand, or constantly pumps in money/gifts to ensure this "lifeline" does not snap away.

It is a very painful experiences

[colins]

Sex is easy and dun carry it's worth for long. It is the false sense of belonging a guy cultivate in his mind.
Day-in-day-out from work, nobody gives a shit about him. Then a fav. WL comes in and swept him off his feet. She knows exactly what he needs, and she has exactly what he needs. And the KC trap is set.

Sooner or later the guy demanded more, because sex alone is short-lived, he needs the companionship and the closer interaction and involvement from the WL to fuel his percieved sense of belonging, that's is also when the WL starts to reap her harvest, thru monetary compensation.

The guy is either already seriously "thirst" for her, and gladly gave in to the demand, or constantly pumps in money/gifts to ensure this "lifeline" does not snap away.

It is a very painful experiences

Kudos...one experienced bro. Couldn't have said it better than you man. Looks like you were very clear headed when (if) it has happened to you.

[ekemono]

Kudos...one experienced bro. Couldn't have said it better than you man. Looks like you were very clear headed when (if) it has happened to you.

Honestly i was also a victim once :(
many many donkey years when Sentosa complex(JB) was the in-thing for SG guys. Fell for a KTV gal, spent all of my savings on her, supporting her every other day. Passport literally chopped to the last page. In returned, one fine night I got a call from her (she was not at workplace), she couldn't make herself clear so she handed the phone to her boyfriend, and the guy ask me to stop disturbing her. No threats, just man to man talk.

My mind gone blank, took a "pah wan" taxi to Woodlands, pack some bottles of beers and hid myself at some dark carpark area sitting on the back of a Nissan pickup truck, cried the shit out of myself the whole night.
My heart was very painful, literally like the chinese says it "thousand arrow pierce the heart". Fortunately I didn't dare to die.

I have never step into Sentosa Complex ever since.

[colins]

My mind gone blank, took a "pah wan" taxi to Woodlands, pack some bottles of beers and hid myself at some dark carpark area sitting on the back of a Nissan pickup truck, cried the shit out of myself the whole night.
My heart was very painful, literally like the chinese says it "thousand arrow pierce the heart". Fortunately I didn't dare to die.


To be frank, I think we are more a man after such ordeals. I have no right to comment on your case at all, you clearly been through much more. Thanks very much for sharing.

Like what bro DYBJ likes to say, why afraid of telling people what you've been through? It shows that you're really done with it and learnt from it.

My respect. Thanks bro.

[ekemono]

yes. what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.
Have long forgotton about it. Dun even think i remember her face. hehe.
I was young then... she was a SYT then... you know la ??:D

Nowadays old liao my ears got hearing problem so difficult to make out thier KC words. LOL.. but after decrease in sense of hearing, increase in sense of talking. Now i KC talk to them also.

Recently a month back at a Flower Hanging Joints KC-ed a PRC. I wasn't aware of her tots until i show up for supper with my gf. Can see steam coming out from her ears when she left abruptly.
Anyway, I didn't intend to do anything to her. KC-ing is just a a roleplay in the entertainment industry.
And you can't expect me to sit quiet quiet rite ? :p

[colins]

yes. what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.
Have long forgotton about it. Dun even think i remember her face. hehe.
I was young then... she was a SYT then... you know la ??:D

Nowadays old liao my ears got hearing problem so difficult to make out thier KC words. LOL.. but after decrease in sense of hearing, increase in sense of talking. Now i KC talk to them also.

Recently a month back at a Flower Hanging Joints KC-ed a PRC. I wasn't aware of her tots until i show up for supper with my gf. Can see steam coming out from her ears when she left abruptly.
Anyway, I didn't intend to do anything to her. KC-ing is just a a roleplay in the entertainment industry.
And you can't expect me to sit quiet quiet rite ? :p

haha...I hope you din make her stronger too! Actually if you notice, in most cases where you try to KC them, they will give you a wide berth if they start to lose confidence. I think they can sense a player readily as well.

[ekemono]

Actually if you notice, in most cases where you try to KC them, they will give you a wide berth if they start to lose confidence.

Hmmm., this one i dun know.
can elaborate, pls pls..?? :D

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Kudos bro Colins & ekemono, you folks are the best.
Experienced learned like a thousand arrows pierce thru ur heart and up you ass....wow..hahahaha...trust me, I KNOW HOW IT FEELS!!! hahahaha

Well, came out stronger, yes, no afraid of death but too proud and too many unfinished business to settle...and lastly, i will doe for only me & no one else...that's why i'm here.

Good on ya matey

[DO_YOU_BJ]

haha...I hope you din make her stronger too! Actually if you notice, in most cases where you try to KC them, they will give you a wide berth if they start to lose confidence. I think they can sense a player readily as well.

Actually bro, most of the gals at a joint knows one another....
Unless you're kinda well known at those joints, like mua ahem...then all they gotta do is ask around and they'll know you rep in a jiffy...but then, still can KC them wan...hehehehe just gotta learn how to show them what they heard aint real that's all...meaning you gotta keep evolving till no one can read your next move anymore

I've learnt one thing, dun be too eager to go for the kill, make them feel SAFE i.e you aint a buayak! then it'll get em thinking whether what they heard was a rumour due to jealously....to me, it's all about mind fucking bro.....
The more experienced, the more fun to kill......that's also the kind i like, brainy scheming ones.....

[colins]

Hmmm., this one i dun know.
can elaborate, pls pls..?? :D

Ok usually when I want to do this I'll do the following (not conclusive or extensive)
In KTV setting
- Observe them, make sure they know you are observing.
- Lead the conversation, respond to their KC attempt with just smiles (keep quiet)
- When they attempt to KC, like say good things about you and stuff, just reply "you too"
- When they continue to KC, change topic and say how good they are (can be singer, can be model, I love this dress...etc)
- When they get physical, say you want to play finger game or dice game
- Do whatever you say, and immediately. like if they are cold, ask them if they like a warm glass of water, then ask the xiaomei to get it there and then.
- Keep commenting on how good they are, when they return favour (like a kiss or smile), accept it.
- Ask personal questions concerning their well-being, you know questions which bf or some relatives will ask. can be whether they have taken their meals (if not, get the menu for them), to wider topics like whether they are comfortable in sg, what they aspire to be...sort of stuff.
- Make sure you do not ignore your friends, your friends always come first, whether in just replying a question or giving toast.
- Do not do anything that make them feel that you are trying to attract their attention.
- Maintain a happy composure to see them leave your table.
- Say thank you when you give them their tips

Hard to list down the rest, must go into the situation then will react accordingly.

[colins]

I've learnt one thing, dun be too eager to go for the kill, make them feel SAFE i.e you aint a buayak! then it'll get em thinking whether what they heard was a rumour due to jealously....to me, it's all about mind fucking bro.....
The more experienced, the more fun to kill......that's also the kind i like, brainy scheming ones.....

Yeah la, I know you just like to mindfuck them left right centre. Nowadays this is probably the only thing that is giving you the thrills. See them suffer, you're the devil. haha...

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Yeah la, I know you just like to mindfuck them left right centre. Nowadays this is probably the only thing that is giving you the thrills. See them suffer, you're the devil. haha...

Damn, i've been sexposed...time to disappear....CIAO!!!

[aces68]

Ok usually when I want to do this I'll do the following (not conclusive or extensive)
In KTV setting
- Observe them, make sure they know you are observing.
- Lead the conversation, respond to their KC attempt with just smiles (keep quiet)
- When they attempt to KC, like say good things about you and stuff, just reply "you too"
- When they continue to KC, change topic and say how good they are (can be singer, can be model, I love this dress...etc)
- When they get physical, say you want to play finger game or dice game
- Do whatever you say, and immediately. like if they are cold, ask them if they like a warm glass of water, then ask the xiaomei to get it there and then.
- Keep commenting on how good they are, when they return favour (like a kiss or smile), accept it.
- Ask personal questions concerning their well-being, you know questions which bf or some relatives will ask. can be whether they have taken their meals (if not, get the menu for them), to wider topics like whether they are comfortable in sg, what they aspire to be...sort of stuff.
- Make sure you do not ignore your friends, your friends always come first, whether in just replying a question or giving toast.
- Do not do anything that make them feel that you are trying to attract their attention.
- Maintain a happy composure to see them leave your table.
- Say thank you when you give them their tips

Hard to list down the rest, must go into the situation then will react accordingly.

wah, bro colins, this is a good manual..:D. Personally I never cheong KTV in Singapore before, so can't really comment, but your suggestions make good sense. My experience with PRC so far has only been limited to the contacts I get from SBF, probably cos my putonghua is lousy, so I don't think I can give a good conversation in KTV, also cannot sing Mandarin song..:o

[aces68]

Honestly i was also a victim once :(
many many donkey years when Sentosa complex(JB) was the in-thing for SG guys. Fell for a KTV gal, spent all of my savings on her, supporting her every other day. Passport literally chopped to the last page. In returned, one fine night I got a call from her (she was not at workplace), she couldn't make herself clear so she handed the phone to her boyfriend, and the guy ask me to stop disturbing her. No threats, just man to man talk.

My mind gone blank, took a "pah wan" taxi to Woodlands, pack some bottles of beers and hid myself at some dark carpark area sitting on the back of a Nissan pickup truck, cried the shit out of myself the whole night.
My heart was very painful, literally like the chinese says it "thousand arrow pierce the heart". Fortunately I didn't dare to die.

I have never step into Sentosa Complex ever since.

bro, i salute you for your full recovery and courage. I hope I would not have to go through what you experienced.

[longwinter]

Honestly i was also a victim once :(
many many donkey years when Sentosa complex(JB) was the in-thing for SG guys. Fell for a KTV gal, spent all of my savings on her, supporting her every other day. Passport literally chopped to the last page. In returned, one fine night I got a call from her (she was not at workplace), she couldn't make herself clear so she handed the phone to her boyfriend, and the guy ask me to stop disturbing her. No threats, just man to man talk.

My mind gone blank, took a "pah wan" taxi to Woodlands, pack some bottles of beers and hid myself at some dark carpark area sitting on the back of a Nissan pickup truck, cried the shit out of myself the whole night.
My heart was very painful, literally like the chinese says it "thousand arrow pierce the heart". Fortunately I didn't dare to die.

I have never step into Sentosa Complex ever since.

l understand how u feel bro, abt the "thousand arrow pierce the heart" theory.

cos l experienced it before when l break up wif my love. It is like the whole heart totally shattered into pieces and sumtinz keep drilling into my heart, really painful. l too feel very upset after a few days fro the breakup. Remembered l was going out to buy sumtinz, l cried along the way too, and when l reached home, l jus break down on the floor. :(

l tink one will experience such great emotional pains if too deep in love wif the gal. l bet u love her very much. :o

[Olympic Hope]

In KTV setting
- Observe them, make sure they know you are observing.
- Lead the conversation, respond to their KC attempt with just smiles (keep quiet)
- When they attempt to KC, like say good things about you and stuff, just reply "you too"
- When they continue to KC, change topic and say how good they are (can be singer, can be model, I love this dress...etc)
- Make sure you do not ignore your friends, your friends always come first, whether in just replying a question or giving toast.
- Do not do anything that make them feel that you are trying to attract their attention.
- Maintain a happy composure to see them leave your table.
- Say thank you when you give them their tips


This is like the Cheong-sutra of kc-ing ktv girls. must take down all the points now. thanks bro.

[ekemono]

also cannot sing Mandarin song..:o

bro, I also cannot sing mandarin song. I am Mandarin illiterate even though i am Chinese. But maybe a tad better cos can speak the language.

So, no need to bother to sing, ask KJ to play those 2 hrs long MTV concert if your buddies are equally "busy". As for yourself, you can either practice bro collins's secret manual or KC KC KC KC.... them and like what bro DYBJ describe it, "mind fucked" them.

Sure confirm busy until no time to go toilet also :D

[aces68]

At that times I already she had a married man bf in Sg whom she seen as her life partner. With me & another middle-age old men bonking her during her 2 months stay, she still to lied to married man bf, middle-age old man lover & me :mad: that she is truthful to us.

Before I ended my stints with this PRC whore, I found out that actually her married man bf did not spend much money on her except me & that middle-age man. Both of us spend $10,000 each on these whore. Her priority is that married man bf & she prefer to fuck by him.

bro, tks for sharing your story. How do you actually find out about the other guys? I can never tell if the FL has another guy or bf.


So, my advise is, when you're with a WL & whatever she tells you, you may want to believe her but somehow something in your feels not rite...trust your instincts, its your defensive mechanism talking to you......trust it, it could save you a lot of heartache......

yes, it's quite true. recently my FL called me from China and said she want to put her father into old folks home but short of money, ask me whether can help or not. Then I said sorry, it's not possible at the moment.


I've learnt one thing, dun be too eager to go for the kill, make them feel SAFE i.e you aint a buayak! then it'll get em thinking whether what they heard was a rumour due to jealously....to me, it's all about mind fucking bro.....
The more experienced, the more fun to kill......that's also the kind i like, brainy scheming ones.....

cool bro, but what do you do after they kena your KC ? I mean I am sure you not trying to cheat their money and stuff like that.

[ekemono]

bro, i salute you for your full recovery and courage. I hope I would not have to go through what you experienced.

Thanks bro. now with bro collins's secret manual, you dun have to. hehehe:p

l understand how u feel bro, abt the "thousand arrow pierce the heart" theory.

cos l experienced it before when l break up wif my love. It is like the whole heart totally shattered into pieces and sumtinz keep drilling into my heart, really painful. l too feel very upset after a few days fro the breakup. Remembered l was going out to buy sumtinz, l cried along the way too, and when l reached home, l jus break down on the floor. :(

l tink one will experience such great emotional pains if too deep in love wif the gal. l bet u love her very much. :o

Wah. Yours also sounds serious lei. Can share the story with us?

[aces68]

bro, I also cannot sing mandarin song. I am Mandarin illiterate even though i am Chinese. But maybe a tad better cos can speak the language.

So, no need to bother to sing, ask KJ to play those 2 hrs long MTV concert if your buddies are equally "busy". As for yourself, you can either practice bro collins's secret manual or KC KC KC KC.... them and like what bro DYBJ describe it, "mind fucked" them.

Sure confirm busy until no time to go toilet also :D

Seems your mandarin level also similar to me, I can speak but not so fluently :D To be honest, I am Chinese, but not local from SG..so never had any real buddies in SG, so that's also one of the reasons I dun step into KTV, all the time cheong alone in SBF..damn sian.
One of my burning question is how much does a KTV session actually cost ?

[ekemono]

One of my burning question is how much does a KTV session actually cost ?

Those average standard one, around $120 inclusive jug of beer and room and some silly fruits and nuts.
High class one, I can't afford. So dun know :p

If you dun have any preferences and like a mix of options, maybe can try out Joo Chiat area. There got Viet gals pub and PRC small time KTV. Or Pudong KTV if you only like chinese dishes.

But be forewarned if you step into Viet pub. Thier KC trap is like Tai Chi art; slow and gentle, but extremely deadly. :D

[aczeta76]

Bros,

It's actually quite easy to tell if the FL/WL is sincerely interested in you and not your wallet. That is...MONEY is never in the picture.

Ever heard of stories that those FL BFs, treat them like shit and use thier money? Yet they still kwai kwai stick with them. Why, love lor. If the gal really likes you, it means she enjoys your company and time etc. Money is never in her thoughts and she may even spend on you, like treating you to meals of gifts.

:D

That is Y I always pay... keeps a barrier between the two of us. The last thing u want is for LOVE to come in when you cannot handle it for the long term

Love or the perception that one is in love is the root of all KC problems esp when both parties do not feel the same. (Whether or not you are really in love is not the issue..)

Dun forget, the challenge to BOTH parties is also HOW TO LET GO GENTLY.. lotsa issues and heartbreaks discussed here is owing to the "letting go wth a thud" approach that breaks the heart.

[colins]

Seems your mandarin level also similar to me, I can speak but not so fluently :D To be honest, I am Chinese, but not local from SG..so never had any real buddies in SG, so that's also one of the reasons I dun step into KTV, all the time cheong alone in SBF..damn sian.
One of my burning question is how much does a KTV session actually cost ?

Pls bros, this secret manual thing is small boy's toy compared to bros' vast experience here. Just that I buay paiseh type it out only.

Cost wise, depends on which ktv you go to. From happy hour somewhere (3-7pm, 4-9pm, etc) 100+SGD to 400+SGD, and unhappy hour (7-11pm, 11-3am, 9-3am) 160+SGD to thousands. Really depends on size of the crowd cos that determines the amount of alcohol you drink. You have tip the girls who sit with you, ranging from 30 (for those who come in to see you once and the next time is when the cows come home) to 500 (stay whole night with you, or a 'booking'), or to any exhorbitant amount depending on the place, the girl, or the cash in your wallet.

You can check out the health centre and ktv section under SBF for more information and practically the entire history of pricings for most of the popular local ktvs is there.

[aces68]

Those average standard one, around $120 inclusive jug of beer and room and some silly fruits and nuts.
High class one, I can't afford. So dun know :p..

tks for the info, I am also low class one, cannot afford high class.
Is the $120 include the tips for girl ? If not, how much is the normal tips ? I am totally ignorant about the procedure in KTV.
I have read that in some KTV, you can raba-raba the girl all over, I have even read some guys even putting their hands into the girls crotch .. dunno if they finger them or not..is this normal ?
Is this kind of raba-raba part of the tips or do you have to pay extra ? Do we pay the tips directly to the girl or will it be included in the bill itself ?
Sorry for the questions bro, but i am real blur king when it comes to KTV. Other bros may laugh at my questions..:o

[aces68]

You can check out the health centre and ktv section under SBF for more information and practically the entire history of pricings for most of the popular local ktvs is there.

tks for tips, bro. yes, I will ask my questions on the other thread. Wouldn't want to hijack this thread and turn it into KTV question time.:p
But for the time being, I think KTV is not my game, cos it will look very silly if one single guy go to KTV by himself, right :D

[aczeta76]

Pls bros, this secret manual thing is small boy's toy compared to bros' vast experience here. Just that I buay paiseh type it out only.



All I can say is that You are too humble bro..:p

[ekemono]

tks for the info, I am also low class one, cannot afford high class.
Is the $120 include the tips for girl ? If not, how much is the normal tips ? I am totally ignorant about the procedure in KTV.
Other bros may laugh at my questions..:o

Tips? as what bro collins had roughly describe. Those stick with you one, can give more lor. The amount is depend on the classes of KTV.
E.g: if like i mentioned those small time KTV $120 ones, nice gal sit long long ones i give $60, $70 lor. Those always disappear ones $30, $20.
But pls dun use my figures as a die hard rule hor.

But i must stress this. I dun raba raba them. My buddy and I likes to talkcock and tease them. Pure fun and jokes.
Because of that a majority of the gals stay long with us. Some even without asking they automatically change to casual clothing at closing time and follow us. We brought them for supper and send them home.
I think they save on cab fare also. :D

And we dun response to thier sms on other days.

[aces68]

..Dun forget, the challenge to BOTH parties is also HOW TO LET GO GENTLY.. lotsa issues and heartbreaks discussed here is owing to the "letting go wth a thud" approach that breaks the heart.

bro, good point. What would you say is the best way to let go gently in my case http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2985002-post169.html. I mean I am ready to let go, but at the same time I don't want to say hurtful things. Should avoiding contact be the best way ? She is now in China and sometimes we still communicate by Video Call on MSN. The other day, while doing Video Call, she introduced her father and sister to me on MSN.:confused: I think she kinda likes me but at the same time also trying to KC me..wah lau..damn confused leh..At the same time, she knows I have OC (but stuck in unhappy situation). I made that very clear from the beginning.

[aczeta76]

bro, tks for your long and insightful posting. In your case, what would you deem as sacrifice by the FL ?

Once, I knew an FL who liked me (my guess only, that time I still green in cheonging) that she suggested that she want to deleted her thread from SBF so that I won't feel hurtful when I read her thread..of course I knew her thru SBF. Is this sacrifice ?

it's still kinda on-going but now she back in China and i'm trying to think of a good plan to dump her gently so that we would remain friends and I still have chance to up her as FL :p

Dun... once cut, leave it. Dun linger on.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

cool bro, but what do you do after they kena your KC ? I mean I am sure you not trying to cheat their money and stuff like that.
Bro, there's only 1 thing i can get from them.....kinda obvious rite hehehehe

[ekemono]

At the same time, she knows I have OC (but stuck in unhappy situation). I made that very clear from the beginning.

Bro, forgive me if I sounded offensive. You need to end one relationship before moving into another one.

Piority must be given to your current marraige, more so if you have children. Have you both not sort out conselling?

[DO_YOU_BJ]

bro, good point. What would you say is the best way to let go gently in my case http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2985002-post169.html. I mean I am ready to let go, but at the same time I don't want to say hurtful things. Should avoiding contact be the best way ? She is now in China and sometimes we still communicate by Video Call on MSN. The other day, while doing Video Call, she introduced her father and sister to me on MSN.:confused: I think she kinda likes me but at the same time also trying to KC me..wah lau..damn confused leh..At the same time, she knows I have OC (but stuck in unhappy situation). I made that very clear from the beginning.

Beware the videocall wif father n mother ploy. Very common tactic used by majority of PRCs to give u the impression that you're da one. Always remember, 99.99% of them as in family n friends are all in cahoots together.

As for wanting to know KC traps, like what bro heartbreakkid mentioned, those especially in the high end KTVs are profound in this KC game cos mostly the people who go there are pretty good fishes to catch....they are like the PHDs of KC, but to me, that's where the fun is hehehehehe

[aces68]

Bro, forgive me if I sounded offensive. You need to end one relationship before moving into another one.

Piority must be given to your current marraige, more so if you have children. Have you both not sort out conselling?

bro, I totally understand your concern and will not take any offence to your comment. Maybe you can get a better picture of my situation by reading my previous posts. Since it is all on SBF anyway, I don't mind to find out other bros opinions about what they would do if they are in my shoes.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/1671329-post176.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2828362-post294.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2804639-post39.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2967607-post6.html

The bottomline is if I had kids (which I would willingly give up some years of my life for), I would devote my time to them and I would put up with my wife even if she had low sex drive..I will still keep my SBF account but probably limit myself to discussion threads, no more KC with FL. :p
Personally, I think that my best solution is to divorce but at this moment, I don't know how to prepare for it, both pyschologically and financially..if bros have any comments, it will be deeply appreciated

[DO_YOU_BJ]

bro, I totally understand your concern and will not take any offence to your comment. Maybe you can get a better picture of my situation by reading my previous posts. Since it is all on SBF anyway, I don't mind to find out other bros opinions about what they would do if they are in my shoes.

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/1671329-post176.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2828362-post294.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2804639-post39.html
http://www.sammyboyforum.com/2967607-post6.html

The bottomline is if I had kids (which I would willingly give up some years of my life for), I would devote my time to them and I would put up with my wife even if she had low sex drive..I will still keep my SBF account but probably limit myself to discussion threads, no more KC with FL. :p
Personally, I think that my best solution is to divorce but at this moment, I don't know how to prepare for it, both pyschologically and financially..if bros have any comments, it will be deeply appreciated

Bro Aces, i reckon you're born in 68.
My heart goes out to you man but i dun wanna pour cold water on to you but i read those links u pasted, and somehow, my instincts tell me that it aint that simple anymore dude..........there's definitely something you're not aware of.......

[aces68]

Bro Aces, i reckon you're born in 68.
My heart goes out to you man but i dun wanna pour cold water on to you but i read those links u pasted, and somehow, my instincts tell me that it aint that simple anymore dude..........there's definitely something you're not aware of.......

I must praise you for your powers of deduction about my age.:p
but when you say there's definitely something you're not aware of, do you mean there's a third party OR do you mean something else ?

[xyz1001]

The bottomline is if I had kids (which I would willingly give up some years of my life for), I would devote my time to them and I would put up with my wife even if she had low sex drive..I will still keep my SBF account but probably limit myself to discussion threads, no more KC with FL. :p
Personally, I think that my best solution is to divorce but at this moment, I don't know how to prepare for it, both pyschologically and financially..if bros have any comments, it will be deeply appreciated

Bro aces68,

Honestly speaking if 9 years of persuasion cannot get her to born u a kid, chances are quite low. But what is the real reason behind that? I dunno ur wife so u have to ask yourself

Physically, is that any health issue that u are not aware of?
Emotionally, is there someone else in her heart? u mentioned the guy she admired? Did things happened, did things change after u found out?
Or she just a career-minded woman who wanna spend more time pursue her career?

Bro understand u have high sex drive, but BJ and painting shouldn't be consider SOP for married couples. Frenching wise, i dunno. Always thought women love to kiss, with passion.

[ekemono]

Personally, I think that my best solution is to divorce but at this moment, I don't know how to prepare for it, both pyschologically and financially..if bros have any comments, it will be deeply appreciated

bro, i read the posts you linked to me. It pains my heart to see you in this stage.

I hope it was just lack of opening up between you and wifey that causes this sadness, and not some 3rd party involved on her side.

Honestly, we as men, need to have sex. The other alternative is to go for paid sex. But during this period of a rocky marraige be very careful on your movement for fear that she may gather evidences of your "activities". That can amount to a good solid ground for divorce and you will be hit very hard by the Women's Charter.
I am a divorcee myself 10 yrs ago. My ex-wife is a PRC ang pai at some high-end KTV but we divorce on grounds of unreasonable behaviour. It was a bloody awful marraige lasting 6 years that literally brought me down to a "souless" "spiritless" timid person, or zombie. Fortunately good friends pulled me back to my church and our merciful God gave me a new "soul" and a "purpose" to carry on. He still grace me with His blessing everyday, and hopefully my current gf will be one of His blessing to me. I will pray on it. hehehe.

Opps. paiseh. got carried away on my religious story.

Anyway, Pls do encourage your wife to try out conselling if both still value the marraige. Even when you apply for divorce, the court will still interview both to try to mediate, suggesting and advicing conselling before the couples confirm thier decision to preceed with the divorce. So it points to that conselling should not be brush away in each other's tots.

No need to guess here guess there. You should privately seek a lawyer advice in the meantime. See where you stand.
Hunt around for one at Chinatown area, they are most likely willing to hear
you out without consultation fee. Avoid big time lawyers at Raffles area.

Pyschologically, you won't fly like a dragon after you finally get hold of the Nisi Decree. Rather, you will go blank also. Cos NOW, you are a single again. The changes are immediate but our adaptation is slow. So if you do a search at SBF there are thread asking "Life after divorce". And every bros starts pouring in thier encouragement and suggestive direction.

But i seriously hope both of you can pull thru.
Dun bother too much with the PRC gal, fix your own life first.

[aces68]

Bro aces68,

Honestly speaking if 9 years of persuasion cannot get her to born u a kid, chances are quite low. But what is the real reason behind that? I dunno ur wife so u have to ask yourself

Physically, is that any health issue that u are not aware of?
Emotionally, is there someone else in her heart? u mentioned the guy she admired? Did things happened, did things change after u found out?
Or she just a career-minded woman who wanna spend more time pursue her career?

Bro understand u have high sex drive, but BJ and painting shouldn't be consider SOP for married couples. Frenching wise, i dunno. Always thought women love to kiss, with passion.

these are her exact words, "if you want a child, it's not coming from my womb/stomach"..I really dun understand, I always thought that if a woman loves a man, she would be most happy to bear him a child..i mean that would be the ultimate sacrifice. I know she feels that childbirth could be a traumatising experience, painful, and so on..but besides offering my support, I cannot do much to lessen those experience. She's also afraid her body will lose shape after giving birth and she's afraid of becoming fat during pregnancy..these things are beyond my ability to control except that I can offer mental and spiritual support.
As for BJ and painting, i can do without it and I agree that it's not SOP in a marriage (also having a child or being pregnant is also not SOP), but NO frenching ? c'mon ? how to get aroused ? :confused:


bro, i read the posts you linked to me. It pains my heart to see you in this stage.

I hope it was just lack of opening up between you and wifey that causes this sadness, and not some 3rd party involved on her side. At this stage, I also don't think it's a 3rd party. It's not to say that we don't communicate, our communication is quite OK, except that we don't agree on the subject of kids and family

Honestly, we as men, need to have sex. The other alternative is to go for paid sex. But during this period of a rocky marraige be very careful on your movement for fear that she may gather evidences of your "activities". That can amount to a good solid ground for divorce and you will be hit very hard by the Women's Charter. I know, so I am quite careful with my cheonging except with that PRC gal. Now I think I have to cancel the phone line which I got for her
I am a divorcee myself 10 yrs ago. My ex-wife is a PRC ang pai at some high-end KTV but we divorce on grounds of unreasonable behaviour. It was a bloody awful marraige lasting 6 years that literally brought me down to a "souless" "spiritless" timid person, or zombie. Fortunately good friends pulled me back to my church and our merciful God gave me a new "soul" and a "purpose" to carry on. He still grace me with His blessing everyday, and hopefully my current gf will be one of His blessing to me. I will pray on it. hehehe.Tks for opening up your story, it's definitely an encouragement to me..sometimes I think what's holding me back is the fear of being alone after divorce

Opps. paiseh. got carried away on my religious story.

Anyway, Pls do encourage your wife to try out conselling if both still value the marraige. Even when you apply for divorce, the court will still interview both to try to mediate, suggesting and advicing conselling before the couples confirm thier decision to preceed with the divorce. So it points to that conselling should not be brush away in each other's tots. In my case, I don't think counselling can change her mind to have kids, when I have failed and even her parents have failed.

No need to guess here guess there. You should privately seek a lawyer advice in the meantime. See where you stand.
Hunt around for one at Chinatown area, they are most likely willing to hear
you out without consultation fee. Avoid big time lawyers at Raffles area. Tks for the tips..I definitely need some legal advice in order to think clearly..if you know any good ones, do PM me

tks for the advice, bros..but let me ask one question..what would you seriously do if you want kid and your other half doesn't and this situation arise after you are married? The question of adoption came to my mind also, I was opposed to it at first (I don't mind to adopt, it's actually a merciful thing to do, but I would like to have at least one of my own), but recently I sounded out this to her (she was the one who suggested it last time), but her reply was adoption is OK, but in case I don't like the child, then please send him/her back..:eek: I was like OMG, how can you say such things...for me it's clear that she does not like family life (I mean family with kids). I think nowadays in Singapore, the society is too modern already and some people really do not want to have kids..:o

[DO_YOU_BJ]

I must praise you for your powers of deduction about my age.:p
but when you say there's definitely something you're not aware of, do you mean there's a third party OR do you mean something else ?

Well, i am not confirming but....
Nothing constant will just disappear overnite......
The lifestyles that the 2 of you had are very potential for another party to fill in the gaps...aka during times of loneliness
I am not saying it is so, but i feel it...sorry

Divorce is not a wonderful thing, though if i didnt have a kid, wud have done it long ago.........

But for you case, even basic intimacy is a no no, that's rings alarm bells in me bro........sorry, but what i suggest to you is not only seek mortal, but spiritual guidance and strength as well............

[DO_YOU_BJ]

these are her exact words, "if you want a child, it's not coming from my womb/stomach"..I really dun understand, I always thought that if a woman loves a man, she would be most happy to bear him a child..i mean that would be the ultimate sacrifice. As for BJ and painting, i can do without it and I agree that it's not SOP in a marriage (also having a child or being pregnant is also not SOP), but NO frenching ? c'mon ? how to get aroused ? :confused:




tks for the advice, bros..but let me ask one question..what would you seriously do if you want kid and your other half doesn't and this situation arise after you are married? The question of adoption came to my mind also, I was opposed to it at first (I don't mind to adopt, it's actually a merciful thing to do, but I would like to have at least one of my own), but recently I sounded out this to her (she was the one who suggested it last time), but her reply was adoption is OK, but in case I don't like the child, then please send him/her back..:eek: I was like OMG, how can you say such things...for me it's clear that she does not like family life (I mean family with kids). I think nowadays in Singapore, the society is too modern already and some people really do not want to have kids..:o

Tink you're wif a very self centered person or something have transformed her into what she is now along the way.
Again, u want a kid, but dun let this WANT rule you into making stupid mistakes

[ekemono]

@ bro aces68,

I will try to locate my lawyer(cos he jump ship) and hook up something for you if possible

[Heart Break Kid]

Beware the videocall wif father n mother ploy. Very common tactic used by majority of PRCs to give u the impression that you're da one. Always remember, 99.99% of them as in family n friends are all in cahoots together.

As for wanting to know KC traps, like what bro heartbreakkid mentioned, those especially in the high end KTVs are profound in this KC game cos mostly the people who go there are pretty good fishes to catch....they are like the PHDs of KC, but to me, that's where the fun is hehehehehe

Just allow mi to share something more on experienced KTV girls.

KTV girls' objective is to hook big carrots :D if there can't find first they will..

look for an average-income guy made him love her by providing good sex then slowly suck his money dry. An average-income guy with limited fund foolishly spend all saving on the KTV whore and to another rich man come along she said bye bye to this poor guy :(

now start hooking up with these rich man (long term plan), she give these well-off good impression by not spending his money like buying lavish gifts & expensive dinners. KTV girls showed to the rich guys that they also have financial means to do or buy things themselves without relying on men because KTV girls' said that money earn thru work hard :D

Rich men thought they found true love with young pretty sexy KTV girls-
marry them as wife & honeymoon for first years. Later to find that their KTV wifes had been spending lavishly
& more that he could earn :eek:
They divorced about 3 years time.. having to split assets with his KTV wife.

So bros pursuing true relationships with KTV girls ..be warned

[aces68]

Tink you're wif a very self centered person or something have transformed her into what she is now along the way.
Again, u want a kid, but dun let this WANT rule you into making stupid mistakes bro, I hear you loud and clear ;)

@ bro aces68,
I will try to locate my lawyer(cos he jump ship) and hook up something for you if possible tks bro for your effort.:)

[aczeta76]

these are her exact words, "if you want a child, it's not coming from my womb/stomach"..I really dun understand, I always thought that if a woman loves a man, she would be most happy to bear him a child..



Side-track a bit... I am presuming the two of you are doing it RAW with her on the pill??

Reason being: My ZH GF told me before tt she would prefer to RAW with me if she was not working 'coz the feeling is different both physically and emotionally to HER as a women.

She would rather be on the pill next time so that she can have that closeness with me.

Else, if u are using CD then i dunno, your problems with her seems to go beyond juz childbirth...can't comment more since I dun know your wife

[aces68]

Side-track a bit... I am presuming the two of you are doing it RAW with her on the pill??

Reason being: My ZH GF told me before tt she would prefer to RAW with me if she was not working 'coz the feeling is different both physically and emotionally to HER as a women.

She would rather be on the pill next time so that she can have that closeness with me.

Else, if u are using CD then i dunno, your problems with her seems to go beyond juz childbirth...can't comment more since I dun know your wife

bro, glad to answer your question as it reminds me of what she said.
yes, we are doing raw and she is on oral contrceptive, she also dun like the feel of CD.
However, she said that if she ever got pregnant, I would not know cos she would get an abortion and will not tell me..these are her exact words (more or less)..:(

[aczeta76]

bro, glad to answer your question as it reminds me of what she said.
yes, we are doing raw and she is on oral contrceptive, she also dun like the feel of CD.
However, she said that if she ever got pregnant, I would not know cos she would get an abortion and will not tell me..these are her exact words (more or less)..:(

Whew... at least her problem seems to be on the child bit...Good luck then.

[colins]

tks for tips, bro. yes, I will ask my questions on the other thread. Wouldn't want to hijack this thread and turn it into KTV question time.:p
But for the time being, I think KTV is not my game, cos it will look very silly if one single guy go to KTV by himself, right :D

ah...sorry for the late reply. Ok, do view ktv-ing or FL-ing or KC-ing as a form of entertainment. You do not have to force yourself to conform to any standard. In some ktv joints, you can do ANYTHING with the girls. Just make sure its not sadistic. Your 120 bucks is for drinks only, as I gathered this from bro eke's post.

Like bro eke, I do not like to rabba them as well. Yes my friends will laugh at first but later they accept what I am looking for. To me, drinking in a pub, or a coffeeshop or in ktv is the same thing (maybe just air-con), really not necessary to pick a place with lots of women who want to rape you or want to be raped. Give me some dice, and I'll keep myself entertained the entire night. And yes, now learning to mindfark the girls from DYBJ as well.

Like what the good bros mention, maybe you like to focus on solving your domestic issues first? Best is not to have another party i.e. that PRC gf involved, else its may just turn out so complicated that you confused yourself. One calamity at a time, bro, like I always say.

[aces68]

.....Like what the good bros mention, maybe you like to focus on solving your domestic issues first? Best is not to have another party i.e. that PRC gf involved, else its may just turn out so complicated that you confused yourself. One calamity at a time, bro, like I always say.
bro colins, tks for your advice, I appreciate it. As for the PRC gf, I already decided to cut it the other day when she asked for money to send father to old folks home. As for my domestic issue, well I intend to sort it out within this year..I guess deep inside I already knew what I had to do, but just needed some encouragement and support.

[colins]

..I guess deep inside I already knew what I had to do, but just needed some encouragement and support.

Any support you need, just say. Remember that what you are doing is for yourself, so you must have detail plans and expectation after the eventuality. Keep your eyes ahead, and continue life as soon as possible.

But keep prc wl as sidelines la, dun let them KC you when you are weaker. Having more friends is a better bet. At least the most they do is to KC you some beer money. ;)

[DO_YOU_BJ]

bro colins, tks for your advice, I appreciate it. As for the PRC gf, I already decided to cut it the other day when she asked for money to send father to old folks home. As for my domestic issue, well I intend to sort it out within this year..I guess deep inside I already knew what I had to do, but just needed some encouragement and support.

Bro Aces, like wat actenza & bro colins said, you gotta look at the root of the prob 1st
Though you've posted a bit here n there, from what i can read, there's a big pile of very important info that's missing making this mona lisa pic lack of a pupil and tooth
Honestly, i think you shud seek solitude and then really reflect on what has been goin on for these few years and you'll see the root cos.
Also, the probs you're getting into isnt new, you're seeking what you cant get at home.......but the prob is, you let it into your house.....if you know what i mean

Sometimes in life, we dun get what we want & we have to live wif what we dun wish to...its how you adapt to resolve these probs.........resolve meaning internally......

I have 3 wives.....why????? Greedy...maybe but to me ...NO!
They all fill a need in my life...so to me, i'm complete....those PRC gals are just sleaze to me...to release the hunter predator instincts within me.........

1st wife, the one who cares for the home, family parents, child(Singaporean)Empress Dowager
2nd wife, my confidante and advisor(Singaporean) The one who controls number 3
3rd wife, my face in entertainments(PRC) and the ones that other PRCs see and will shun away cos to POWER for them to compete
and FYI number 2 & 3 are neighbours

Do i luv em all, yes i do.....
do i have a pref, yes number 2....my mind and soul mate and best in bed....

Meaning, divorce and get into entanglements wif finance etc......nah...not for me.....i'm a businessman, so everything is about winning and profitability....

That's why i never divorce, dun plan to anymore...why, cos what i dun have at home, i have more than enuff resources to fill in those gaps.........

This may be another immoral option for you to consider
Remember, when matters of the hearts affect you, that's when you switch to mental mode and do the calculations liao.......

Sometimes, feeding and caring for a sick dog may not be a bad thing.....putting it down is not really an option...why???? You did not even give it a chance
For all you know, one day, there could be a miracle and the dog recovers fully & will cherish the love and care it got from you all the while it was sick......that's called Good Karma bro.........

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Having more friends is a better bet. At least the most they do is to KC you some beer money. ;)

Cordon Bleu Cordon Bleu Cordon Bleu

[DO_YOU_BJ]

As for my domestic issue, well I intend to sort it out within this year..I guess deep inside I already knew what I had to do, but just needed some encouragement and support.

Why seek encouragement & support if you know this is the correct path to take?????
By this statement, bro, you aint steady yet......
KIV everything 1st, redo your own foundation & then decide from there
By then, everything you plan will be of a clear mind.........

[colins]

Cordon Bleu Cordon Bleu Cordon Bleu

eh...friend, we start slow can? The best I can afford is blue mountain kopi. So now I'm trying to KC some beer. relak, when bro aces is done with his tasks, then you bring out your bleus.

juz kidding bros, but for a positive note, at least bro aces' 2008 will be a good one.

[aces68]

Bro Aces, like wat actenza & bro colins said, you gotta look at the root of the prob 1st
Though you've posted a bit here n there, from what i can read, there's a big pile of very important info that's missing making this mona lisa pic lack of a pupil and tooth
Honestly, i think you shud seek solitude and then really reflect on what has been goin on for these few years and you'll see the root cos.
Also, the probs you're getting into isnt new, you're seeking what you cant get at home.......but the prob is, you let it into your house.....if you know what i mean

Sometimes in life, we dun get what we want & we have to live wif what we dun wish to...its how you adapt to resolve these probs.........resolve meaning internally......

That's why i never divorce, dun plan to anymore...why, cos what i dun have at home, i have more than enuff resources to fill in those gaps.........

This may be another immoral option for you to consider
Remember, when matters of the hearts affect you, that's when you switch to mental mode and do the calculations liao.......

Sometimes, feeding and caring for a sick dog may not be a bad thing.....putting it down is not really an option...why???? You did not even give it a chance
For all you know, one day, there could be a miracle and the dog recovers fully & will cherish the love and care it got from you all the while it was sick......that's called Good Karma bro.........

bro DYBJ, tks, however, your advice is a bit chim for me, so I am not sure if I understood you fully.
To put it in a nutshell, I feel that my problem is actually quite simple. I got married in the expectation to have kids, raise them and have a normal family lifestyle, I like to believe that my wife had the same ideals as well. But somewhere along the way, she decided that life with kids is not for her, but she dun mind sharing life with me. If I want kids, she says I should look for another wife and she is willing to divorce me (again, these are words from her mouth).
So the choices that I have are really :-

1. Continue as it is and accept that I would not have a family (meaning kids) of my own.
2. Re-boot and get a new lease of life.

If I choose option 1, I can foresee that I may be able to bear with the situation for a while, but for how long and as time goes by, I may even feel hatred towards her for denying me a family..sounds crazy but true. I mean can you imagine my feeling when my friends or new friends ask me "why don't you have any kids" or "how many kids do you have?". I always flinched at this kind of questions. Since you are a businessman, I am sure that you can understand that these kind of topics are very common when you meet new people in business or new colleagues on overseas business trips. I always flinched at this kind of questions because I don't know how to answer truthfully..so most of the time I just smile and said "no time, both working" but it hurts deep inside.

I think there is a big difference between choosing not to have kids compared to being infertile and unable to have kids. For the latter, I would accept that this is fate but at least both parties share the same goal and I would carry on, but for the former as in my case, it is really a gulf of difference between both parties ideals and goals in life.

If I had the resources, I would look for a 2nd wife to bear me a child and just keep the present wife and not divorce as you say, but I don't have the resources. Ironically, if I could find a 2nd wife who's willing to bear me a child, shouldn't it be that I should spend the rest of my life with the 2nd wife because she's the one who's willing to make the sacrifice to have a family with me. Maybe I'm talking too much from the emotion side.

So, it seems that Option 2 is more suitable for me. I really don't know if any bros had similar circumstances but if anyone has, I'm more than willing to listen to their experience and solution,,or if someone thinks there is an Option 3 or 4, it would be great to listen too.

Some bros may get the wrong idea that I'm ditching my wife because of a PRC. That is entirely untrue and complete misunderstanding of my problem. I used to visit non-chinese FL and WL for sexual release only. I never visited PRC because of my lack of putonghua until recently, then I found a release outlet for my emotions and frustrations because I could manage some communication with PRC FL (unlike when you visit Thai FL). The PRC became like a listening ear to my problems..maybe I also KC them a bit-lah, so they also try to KC me back.:p The PRC is completely out of the picture with regards to my domestic problems.

I must apologise to sincerley to TS for hijacking your thread..maybe a more appropriate title could be Tears for a SBF bro...:D

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Everyone is ruled by their biological clock.
Woman especially.
The day will come when she'll be wanting it...maybe not yet.
Again, if you really see what you posted, you're driven by wanting a kid...not a wrong thing but wrong motivation.
There r no rite or wrongs in your situation.......
A successful woman will not want to be burdened by kids....it'll RUIN her professional life.
A successful man wouldnt want to receive calls ever so often to hear "you see your kins lah this n that"

A kid should be a result of a proper union.......no tot of it prior
Also, you were saying when people ask you....Face value again bro....why be so affected by what others say......you live for yourself, not their words

There comes a time in wants and dun wants that has to be met at equilibrium...that means nego time
Talk carefully, and if divorce is the only way out because of wanting a kid, make sure she agrees that no financial commitment on your part is required after, in binding black & white.
But then again, if you do it and have no regrets cos no love or watever there anymore, then be my guest............
If not, maybe u can go to my sifu and seek guidance will pm you his details before moving fwd

[coper99]

bro..i hate 2 say tis.. but i tink divorce is ur best bet n move on fr ter..:)

[glooper83]

Well, i think Option 3 is to adopt a kid (if u really really love your wife and cannot bear to leave her).

I think that this issue is very "real" and is something that a lot of couples miss out before getting married. Usually most people will want to have kids, but when? I agree that a kid should arise as a result of love between a couple and not having a kid just because it is the "right" thing to do. Having a kid for the wrong reasons would only burden them and yourself in future.

I think the most important reason for having kids is that you love kids. And that you love your partner to want to have kids with her. Not for carrying on the family line, not for face value, not for having people to take care of you in old age and definitely not because you didn't wear a cd.

I do like kids, i 've though about how i would play with them and be a part of their growing years. I've imagined myself being strict with them, being friends with them, being the Dad that i have. But this is all my wishful thinking on my part, till i truly find the girl that i love, tell her my plans and we agree, then only will this cease to be just a thought.

[PRC Rammer]

Wow bro, understand how u feel...kinda went thru the same shit like you but never dumped so much $$$$...for her, she knows me also, me very stingy one...hehehehe
Well, back on your feet, dun stop cheonging...just turn the KC trap this time and start a scorecard on kills...hehehehe

Bro DYBJ, thanks spending close to $10,000 on 1 KTV gal some good bonks.
I still afford to pay for it once or twice in a lifetimes :)

[ekemono]

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Aiyo, another silly effort.
Yes.., i sibei song :D
So what did you achieve? You think i can exchange the points for cash?

Let me made a guess.
you are simply jealous?
Good, then i sibei song!

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Bro DYBJ, thanks spending close to $10,000 on 1 KTV gal some good bonks.
I still afford to pay for it once or twice in a lifetimes :)

Yeah bro, like someone posted, 开心就好
Have fun man

[fabspeed]

@LoveMachine,
I hope it works out for you, reading your stories... you seem to love this girl a lot. I Don't believe the guy who drives a BMW Convertible is serious, and do not believe money will make any girl happier, than their happy souls themselves. I personally would find it hard to date a WL, though I wouldn't mind dating them.

[glooper83]

Elp ~

There's this PRC FL that i took a liking towards a few weeks back but we haven met up for about 2 weeks. She suddenly called me and told me she is returning home to China and wants to meet me tonite!

I've lost all feelings for her, i dun wan to get raped tonight! :p
How do i reject her nicely? Any ideas on what excuse to cook up?

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Elp ~

There's this PRC FL that i took a liking towards a few weeks back but we haven met up for about 2 weeks. She suddenly called me and told me she is returning home to China and wants to meet me tonite!

I've lost all feelings for her, i dun wan to get raped tonight! :p
How do i reject her nicely? Any ideas on what excuse to cook up?

Just go n enjoy the farewell screw...she'll give you a memorable session so you will not forget her & will still patronise her when she's back!

[glooper83]

Not feeling well, down with a cold + sore throat... should have said that in the first place but slipped my mind.

[longwinter]

Wah. Yours also sounds serious lei. Can share the story with us?

haha, long story lo. Hope u find it lor so...But l really do love my this gf, maybe becos she was my 1st love bah. Did put in all my efforts and time in this r/s. And l tried all my best to make my gal happy. Whatever she wants, l will try to fulfil her requests. Even when she make me unhappy or flare temper wif me, l oso give in to her and never say anything. I tink she mite be tinking that l am a loser by always giving into her, machiam like a boring bf. As time passes, she jus became very unreasonable despite how good l treat her. l was also tinking and harbouring the hope that one day, she might realise it was her fault but sadly tat day never come. l jus tink too much on my side.

She can be so unreasonable and demanding that l can say my integrity and pride is totally smashed by her. Never did l feel so low as a man before. By comparing me wif her other guy frenz, continousy putting me down and even cursed and scold me on the fone, haiz. :(

in the end, her love for me jus faded, and l tink she fall for sumone, but she didnt dare to come clean wif me dun noe for wad reasons la. l mean she can dare to scold and insult me, putting me down, if wanna break wif me, jus tell me. But she didnt.

l dun like to stay in a r/s when there is no love and could see she was really unhappy, so l jus give up the r/s. Carrying on wif the r/s jus gets to nowhere and meaningless oso. Still remember tat day, l took down a taxi down to her house and that taxi trip jus seem to be so long. hais..and after l go find her, the moment l saw her, l jus cant say anything out, but still managed to force out my words. really cried very badly tat day, my heart is jus in total shatter pieces.

But since my breakup wif my love, l never experience such torment again le, and hopefully l wont go thru this ordeal again.

[longwinter]

wah anyway lately the threads in matters of heart section are really updating very fast and coming in alot of replies, man!! :D

tink tonight must come home and scan every of the seniors postings liaos. :eek:

meanwhile keep the discussion going!!

[Siao Chang]

Yeah bro, like someone posted, 开心就好
Have fun man

Right on brother .... as long as we are happy and no harm others ... can liao