What I've told to WLs who just started in this trade

[ramon]

I'm actually quite hesitant to write this, but after reading the difficult moments some of the bros here are going through, I thought I should provide a little insight on my relationships with WLs.

Quite often I will be introduced to pretty WLs who are quite new to KC trapping, and by word of mouth I would end up giving my 2 cents worth on how to maximise their time and increase their potential earnings working here.

Rule 1: Never fall in love with a Singapore man, you are here to make money, got money can take time to look for love.

Rule 2: Start your work in a high class ktv, doesn't matter if there are prettier girls than you because there will be others who will be prettier than them. Anyways all men have different taste mah.

Rule 3: Must develop a sophisticated style in dressing and looks that suits you and develop a character that is interesting and intriguing. You will be the trophy that men want to show off to their friends and you'll get more branded gifts because they befits you.

Rule 4: Remember the 2:1. which means try to have 2 rich married men and 1 average single man. The 2 rich ones are here to buy you gifts and cash. Do not buy bags, shoes etc....they are worthless, even if they want to buy, tell them you will not appreciate them much but hint instead to buy you watches like rolex, tell them it's your dream to own a range of them. If you can get two of them to buy you a rolex, make sure the two of them is the same model and from different shops, so that you can sell one away and they would think that you are wearing the watches they bought for you.
As for the average Joe, he's here to do your bidding, what he can't provide in expensive stuff he can run errands for you, buy you groceries, do your laundry etc... he's more than willing....

Rule 5: Remember where these men like to shop and eat. Avoid going to places where you may bump into someone you know.

Rule 6: Take note of their habits, they'll always have a pattern unless they get suspicious of you.

Rule 7: If you need to introduce your friends or "sisters" to them, there should be two sets, one set to eat and enjoy in a group while the other is for "alibis" The men will ask how come they haven't been intro to these friends before, your excuse is they are quite busy with their "boyfriends" too.

Rule 8: Never go out too often with them, because you may need to change them at any time, so go to work and meet more men.

Rule 9: Behave like an equal when you are out with them and their friends, read the local papers and about China as well because most of these towkays got businesses there. Don't cling to him only but socialise with his friends, he'll sure get very good positive feedback and he'll be very proud of himself.

Rule 10 : Go on the pill or some contraceptives because it will come a time when you have to do raw (without condoms) This is essential because it's like a stamp that says you are now truly belong to him.

Rule 11: Learn to make love, enjoy making love and not just spreading your legs and scream because these old birds know what is real and fake.

Actually I could still go but there's just too much to describe and of course some have been mentioned in the threads. Sometimes when we have lunch we laugh over what went wrong and how they get out of tight situations but usually the hilarious ones will be how the men fuck, I mean some men grunt, some whimper and some will scream their heads off, all these mimicked by the WLs.

I apologise if this is taken as an insult to singapore men, I'll probably get scolded or flamed but the world is such, you get to eat something and something might eat you up instead

[aces68]

bro ramon, interesting thread. I think many bros will have comments.

I don't think anyone will flame you if you can also share some tips on the opposite, i.e. how to KC these WLs..hehe :p

[aczeta76]

I'm actually quite hesitant to write this, but after reading the difficult moments some of the bros here are going through, I thought I should provide a little insight on my relationships with WLs.

Quite often I will be introduced to pretty WLs who are quite new to KC trapping, and by word of mouth I would end up giving my 2 cents worth on how to maximise their time and increase their potential earnings working here.

I apologise if this is taken as an insult to singapore men, I'll probably get scolded or flamed but the world is such, you get to eat something and something might eat you up instead

Bro... u teaching these gals how to KC $$ from bros huh...

Not sure any bros want to contribute, but I wun do that.\

I never teach them these kinda things but I dun stop them if they want to... not good to teach people things that will get "BAD" Karma

[colins]

haha now thats some new insight to what they already know. Some of those rules are really good ones which will checkmate many bros here.

I'm curious bro ramon, what do you intend to get from them, for providing such advice?

[aces68]

I'm curious bro ramon, what do you intend to get from them, for providing such advice?

good question..got commission or not, bro TS ?

[ramon]

haha now thats some new insight to what they already know. Some of those rules are really good ones which will checkmate many bros here.

I'm curious bro ramon, what do you intend to get from them, for providing such advice?

No, I never had anything that I want from them because I make it a rule that I pay for every sexual encounter and I do not accept freebies. I treat them like any person making a living and in this instance it's just a flesh trade and a very old profession.

Whether it's a bro who wants to KC the girl or vice versa I still would give my 2 cents worth, to me they are all friends.

[ramon]

good question..got commission or not, bro TS ?

ha..ha..on the contrary I paid my school fees before, close to $100k on one China WL...but that was many years ago:rolleyes:

[aces68]

Whether it's a bro who wants to KC the girl or vice versa I still would give my 2 cents worth, to me they are all friends.

what's your tips for a bro to KC the girl ?:rolleyes:

[ekemono]

what's your tips for a bro to KC the girl ?:rolleyes:

camping here... :D

[colins]

No, I never had anything that I want from them because I make it a rule that I pay for every sexual encounter and I do not accept freebies. I treat them like any person making a living and in this instance it's just a flesh trade and a very old profession.

Whether it's a bro who wants to KC the girl or vice versa I still would give my 2 cents worth, to me they are all friends.

Bro ramon, I did not mean monetary favours. A man bringing such advice against his fellow men cannot be wanting just money. Esp Rule 4.

I believe a person who is simply seeking (real) favours from WL will never develop such thinking and motivation to teach the girls on how to KC. They will most likely look for cheap bonks or to share her contacts.

Nothing personal, man. Really hope to see your counter moves against those rule that you've written.

[ekemono]

Perhaps bro ramon had given these advice to only a particular group of ladies that are his good friends, and with thier interest at heart. Maybe due to some ladies that caught in situation and his advice came in handy.

However, if he had made a consistent effort to the point of making it a habit to brief every WL that he was intro to, then I will be confuse by it.

Lets hear it from bro ramon

[goodfun]

u cant teach them for the rest of ur life,when u try,u will burn...

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Perhaps bro ramon had given these advice to only a particular group of ladies that are his good friends, and with thier interest at heart. Maybe due to some ladies that caught in situation and his advice came in handy.

However, if he had made a consistent effort to the point of making it a habit to brief every WL that he was intro to, then I will be confuse by it.

Lets hear it from bro ramon

There's always 2 schools of tots here.
One who think he did good by not cheating the WLs like wat bro aczeta always say
The other is like our Ramon, who teaches WLs how to fulfil their objective for coming here

Counter...actually, there's only 1 sure effective way.......GO IN WITHOUT A HEART BUT LOOK AND ACT LIKE ROMEO! Tested, proven confirm stamp chop effective and let the KC trap roll baby

[ramon]

what's your tips for a bro to KC the girl ?:rolleyes:

I've always asked the bros this question : Why on earth do you want to KC with a WL when you know she is here to make money? Reasons aplenty, I'm sure every bro got something to say about this.

So let's take a look at this scenario: Imagine this guy in his 30s or 40s, doing pretty well in his career or business, he is either divorced, single or married with some marital problems or his wife doesn't bother at all, drawing at least $15k a month if he is an employee and more if he is an employer, he goes to a ktv, choose a girl he likes, he tells her that he is here to entertain guests and he would prefer to be at home.

The girl of course ask him loads of questions and he projects himself to be a pretty decent guy, he loves reading, cooking, going on holidays and spas (girls will always like men to be domesticated...) and he ask about the girl's family, give some opinion and views on how the girl should fend for herself when she meet men who are like octopus etc...then tells the girl to butterfly a bit and leave you alone so that she can make more tips even if you booked her for the night (she will not think he is stupid, but thinks that he is trying to tell her nicely that she's not good enough for him)

Before the night ends he tells her that he enjoyed her company and would like to have supper with her, but not closing time as it will be too late and see if she can round up a few of her friends to eat so that there will be more variety to eat. (to get to know a few more girls)

With her friends around he becomes the most ideal boyfriend a woman must have. He doesn't behave like the customer but someone who is caring to all her friends and of course treat her like the queen bee. (if she's not impressed it doesn't mean some of her friends won't be)

He offer to send her home first and then the rest of her friends because she should have more rest mah. (in the car there will be one or two of her friends who will be interested in talking with him)

Obviously numbers would have been exchanged and after he reaches home he just send an sms that he enjoyed the supper and hoped that he gets to meet her soon.

Next week he goes again but only called her when he has been there for quite some time. (he gets to know other girls first) Of course she will ask why he didn't call her earlier but you said let her butterfly first mah. Then she probably will be quite busy, so he ask for her friends that they had supper with to sit with him and he repeat his process with her friends to make sure the stories are consistent.

He's very alert and sharp. She'll probably had asked him to go jalan jalan in the late afternoon but he will give the excuse that he's always working late, but he will go and buy a gift for her. Something that she needs like a branded coin purse and the reason is whatever she wants to show off she would have got someone to buy for her but this is something that she needs.

Sooner or later they'll fuck, so he brings her to a nice resort to screw her on Friday night, room service, spa treatment and shopping for a little dog that she likes, Sunday is spent bringing the puppy for walks in one of the parks. (dogs are like kids, they can help to bond a relationship)and followed by dinner with her friends to show off the puppy.

Why do I mentioned her friends? Sometimes her friends can tell him about his target but also to monitor how much her friends are interested in him, because there's nothing wrong in jumping ship, the most let the girls have a cat fight over you.

On the other hand, if you are a poorly wage employee and want to KC with WLs, my advice is you go to work in a KTV as a supervisor or manager, then you can have opportunities to sayang them when they are vulnerable and shower your concerns.

This is like business, you study your client, you can impress but you lack substance so you need to lobby for support and be consistent in your actions and messages. You are different, you are serious, you have humour but not pushy. Your message to your client is: I'm selling the same apple at the same price, same quality as what other people are selling, so you are buying from me is because you like me. You feel good buying from me, and I give you little pleasant memories when we meet.

I'm not saying I'm the expert and I will not admit or deny that I've used this route, anyways not all bros will be comfortable to do this like what I've written.

Aiyah...I regretted writing this thread, end up now I'm writing more than before, but I can still contribute, if time permits.

[Monkey4]

I'm actually quite hesitant to write this, but after reading the difficult moments some of the bros here are going through, I thought I should provide a little insight on my relationships with WLs.

I apologise if this is taken as an insult to singapore men, I'll probably get scolded or flamed but the world is such, you get to eat something and something might eat you up instead

bro ramon, I am not here to judge but only got 1 comment.... I understand that some FLs are aware of SBF and as such...maybe your first posting on this thread should be translated in mandarin so that all the gals reading this can understand instead of taking our precious time during bonking session to explain point by point to them... ;)

:D

agreed with bro colins.... maybe u can give us some pointers on our possible counter moves against those u earlier mentioned.

:cool:

[DO_YOU_BJ]

I've always asked the bros this question : Why on earth do you want to KC with a WL when you know she is here to make money? Reasons aplenty, I'm sure every bro got something to say about this.

So let's take a look at this scenario: Imagine this guy in his 30s or 40s, doing pretty well in his career or business, he is either divorced, single or married with some marital problems or his wife doesn't bother at all, drawing at least $15k a month if he is an employee and more if he is an employer, he goes to a ktv, choose a girl he likes, he tells her that he is here to entertain guests and he would prefer to be at home.

The girl of course ask him loads of questions and he projects himself to be a pretty decent guy, he loves reading, cooking, going on holidays and spas (girls will always like men to be domesticated...) and he ask about the girl's family, give some opinion and views on how the girl should fend for herself when she meet men who are like octopus etc...then tells the girl to butterfly a bit and leave you alone so that she can make more tips even if you booked her for the night (she will not think he is stupid, but thinks that he is trying to tell her nicely that she's not good enough for him)

Before the night ends he tells her that he enjoyed her company and would like to have supper with her, but not closing time as it will be too late and see if she can round up a few of her friends to eat so that there will be more variety to eat. (to get to know a few more girls)

With her friends around he becomes the most ideal boyfriend a woman must have. He doesn't behave like the customer but someone who is caring to all her friends and of course treat her like the queen bee. (if she's not impressed it doesn't mean some of her friends won't be)

He offer to send her home first and then the rest of her friends because she should have more rest mah. (in the car there will be one or two of her friends who will be interested in talking with him)

Obviously numbers would have been exchanged and after he reaches home he just send an sms that he enjoyed the supper and hoped that he gets to meet her soon.

Next week he goes again but only called her when he has been there for quite some time. (he gets to know other girls first) Of course she will ask why he didn't call her earlier but you said let her butterfly first mah. Then she probably will be quite busy, so he ask for her friends that they had supper with to sit with him and he repeat his process with her friends to make sure the stories are consistent.

He's very alert and sharp. She'll probably had asked him to go jalan jalan in the late afternoon but he will give the excuse that he's always working late, but he will go and buy a gift for her. Something that she needs like a branded coin purse and the reason is whatever she wants to show off she would have got someone to buy for her but this is something that she needs.

Sooner or later they'll fuck, so he brings her to a nice resort to screw her on Friday night, room service, spa treatment and shopping for a little dog that she likes, Sunday is spent bringing the puppy for walks in one of the parks. (dogs are like kids, they can help to bond a relationship)and followed by dinner with her friends to show off the puppy.

Why do I mentioned her friends? Sometimes her friends can tell him about his target but also to monitor how much her friends are interested in him, because there's nothing wrong in jumping ship, the most let the girls have a cat fight over you.

On the other hand, if you are a poorly wage employee and want to KC with WLs, my advice is you go to work in a KTV as a supervisor or manager, then you can have opportunities to sayang them when they are vulnerable and shower your concerns.

This is like business, you study your client, you can impress but you lack substance so you need to lobby for support and be consistent in your actions and messages. You are different, you are serious, you have humour but not pushy. Your message to your client is: I'm selling the same apple at the same price, same quality as what other people are selling, so you are buying from me is because you like me. You feel good buying from me, and I give you little pleasant memories when we meet.

I'm not saying I'm the expert and I will not admit or deny that I've used this route, anyways not all bros will be comfortable to do this like what I've written.

Aiyah...I regretted writing this thread, end up now I'm writing more than before, but I can still contribute, if time permits.

Well said...hahahaha...honestly, i do that all the time hahahahahaha
But i got help...becos of my rep at some of the KTVs, the waiters, mummy & towkays do the selling part for me.....some of the more senior GROs also help occasionally.....yup can see where you're coming from but bro, do note that you tactic, though practiced by me and thus i have to endorse it lah....is not suitable for everyone....it carries a certain of $$$$ investment.......just wanted to highlite this point only.

[ramon]

Perhaps bro ramon had given these advice to only a particular group of ladies that are his good friends, and with thier interest at heart. Maybe due to some ladies that caught in situation and his advice came in handy.

However, if he had made a consistent effort to the point of making it a habit to brief every WL that he was intro to, then I will be confuse by it.

Lets hear it from bro ramon

Bro Ekemono is correct. I'm not so kaypoh by nature and I prefer to listen than to talk most of the time.

[ramon]

bro ramon, I am not here to judge but only got 1 comment.... I understand that some FLs are aware of SBF and as such...maybe your first posting on this thread should be translated in mandarin so that all the gals reading this can understand instead of taking our precious time during bonking session to explain point by point to them... ;)
:cool:

Ha..ha...sorry, can't do bcos I can't read or write chinese except my name. I learned my chinese from my china girlfriends.....

[jon2000sg]

ok, well documented owner's manual

[jon2000sg]

ha..ha..on the contrary I paid my school fees before, close to $100k on one China WL...but that was many years ago:rolleyes:

wow! mine was a little less ... $50K :(

[ekemono]

drawing at least $15k a month if he is an employee and more if he is an employer,

Gosh, I am grossly under-paid.

then tells the girl to butterfly a bit and leave you alone so that she can make more tips even if you booked her for the night(she will not think he is stupid, but thinks that he is trying to tell her nicely that she's not good enough for him)

There are 2 parts to these, but they work in synergy.
Firstly you show her that you are not a desperado. No ladies will be comfortable with a desperado. Indirectly you raised her attention or interest level in you. Then secondly at the same time, you present a "challenge" to her. Believe me she had seen enough men making advances to them even before the drinks are served.
Just with any gal, it is always good, in appropriate situation, to present yourself as a challange to them, even with your own gf. This will keep them at thier toes. And once they are able to get your "special" attention, you raise thier interest level in you.
Back to the scenario at the KTV. But 2 conditions must be fulfilled:
1) She is not seriously attached to some lucky dude yet
2) You must have already passed her visual test initially.

I have tried it before and has worked on a few occasions. If you have done well that night she will automatically awaits you to bring her to supper.

Why do I mentioned her friends? Sometimes her friends can tell him about his target but also to monitor how much her friends are interested in him, because there's nothing wrong in jumping ship, the most let the girls have a cat fight over you.

When you are as good as that, her friends will sms you behind the scence. Take quick eyes observation in group gathering as you can tell which friend are wish to replace her.

be consistent in your actions and messages. You are different, you are serious, you have humour but not pushy.

Consistency is one of the most important virtue for a guy

Just adding on my point of view.

[Prince7]

Bro TS,

You had started a very interesting thread :D
Me camping here too :p

[longwinter]

wah tis is really interesting, tis new thread immediately caught my attention when l jus log into sbf.

TS, pls do share more and detailed things wif us. :D

l am camping here to read more abt it.

[aces68]

Gosh, I am grossly under-paid..

haha..me too..
ok, after reading bro ramon's tactic, i think i need to re-evaluate how I react to gals..hehe :p

[ekemono]

Now that we are are clear about it, so how do we get it going?
Let's go thru the checklist

Phase 1= Identifying the "knowledge"

..... DONE.

Phase 2 = Embracing the "knowledge"

step 1) Ingredient:
- one cup of water
- one piece yellow paper
- one lighter
- one red pen

Step 2) Copy down rule #1 to #11 onto yellow paper

Step 3) Burn yellow paper and mix with cup of water

Step 4) Drink it.... (Yes.. drink it)

Phase 3 = Implementing the "knowledge"

Step 0) Dun ask. You are on your own. Good luck. :D

[aces68]

bro ekemono, is that your new signature?
u changed status liao to retired?;)

[ekemono]

bro ekemono, is that your new signature?
u changed status liao to retired?;)

yes. Since some time back already never cheong.
It is always the same, hump and hump for a few second of orgasm but end of the day still walk home alone. very sian eh...

[Dancing]

Ramon, very interesting. Not only will I not flame and zap u, but I will support and upped u. U just got my 5 dancing points.

Frankly speaking, I don find that u did anything wrong. I always agree on ur rule number 1.

[wodemama]

Camping for more. I only have one question, hope bros here can help me answer it.

What does butterfly means? Could it mean asking the person to go away or whatever?

Help will be greatly appreciated =)

[Dancing]

Camping for more. I only have one question, hope bros here can help me answer it.

What does butterfly means? Could it mean asking the person to go away or whatever?

Help will be greatly appreciated =)

U know wat butterfly always do?? Visiting one flower after another. Imagine the guys are flowers and she is a butterfly loh. Hope it helps

[broken_vow]

Rule 4: Remember the 2:1. which means try to have 2 rich married men and 1 average single man. As for the average Joe, he's here to do your bidding, what he can't provide in expensive stuff he can run errands for you, buy you groceries, do your laundry etc... he's more than willing....

I apologise if this is taken as an insult to singapore men, I'll probably get scolded or flamed but the world is such, you get to eat something and something might eat you up instead


bro ramon, thanks for starting this thread. Seems like I am the average Joe who's there to do her bidding. She only called me to inform she on RED, sick (so i got to go down to bring her to see doctor or passed her medicine) and for her transport needs:o:(

Stupid, right? :rolleyes:

Sigh.

Camping here for more insights.

[wodemama]

U know wat butterfly always do?? Visiting one flower after another. Imagine the guys are flowers and she is a butterfly loh. Hope it helps

Icic,so how do we tell them to go butterfly in chinese?
thanks for the help bro dancing :D

[Dancing]

Icic,so how do we tell them to go butterfly in chinese?
thanks for the help bro dancing :D

Bro, need to tell meh?? If u don know them well, they will go butterfly after a while. If shes ur KC and u cannot support her, then either u remind her to go other rooms to entertain her other clients once in a while or best is u don go find her at her work place.

But bro, consider more than thrice if u wanna play this game. U can be the player and win all the time, but just one fall and u will suffer badly and miserably

[wodemama]

Bro, need to tell meh?? If u don know them well, they will go butterfly after a while. If shes ur KC and u cannot support her, then either u remind her to go other rooms to entertain her other clients once in a while or best is u don go find her at her work place.

But bro, consider more than thrice if u wanna play this game. U can be the player and win all the time, but just one fall and u will suffer badly and miserably

Ok bro, point noted! ;)

Me still too young too play this game,and i am reinforcing the Fcuk and Forget technique in my head every few hours to remind myself not to get stucked in this field. Once again thanks for helping bro

[ramon]

bro ramon, thanks for starting this thread. Seems like I am the average Joe who's there to do her bidding. She only called me to inform she on RED, sick (so i got to go down to bring her to see doctor or passed her medicine) and for her transport needs:o:(

Stupid, right? :rolleyes:

Sigh.


To her you are an asset. Very little maintenance and easy to do her biddings. If she's smart she won't over stress you, but she'll TEH with you to the point that without you helping her she'll be helpless. If you have been screwing her regularly without payment then you should take it as a trade off for your services rendered to her.

If you are in love with her then I suggest you try to spend more time with her, sooner or later your feelings towards her will not be intense as of now. Another alternative is to chiong as much as possible, because I'm sure you can find someone more exciting to you.

I have been in this situation not once but six times before (infatuated and doing everything to win the WL heart) and now when a WL ask me for help I tell them I got no time etc.. and I will stop contacting to prevent any further requests from her.

[broken_vow]

To her you are an asset. Very little maintenance and easy to do her biddings. If she's smart she won't over stress you, but she'll TEH with you to the point that without you helping her she'll be helpless. If you have been screwing her regularly without payment then you should take it as a trade off for your services rendered to her.

If you are in love with her then I suggest you try to spend more time with her, sooner or later your feelings towards her will not be intense as of now.

I have been in this situation not once but six times before (infatuated and doing everything to win the WL heart) and now when a WL ask me for help I tell them I got no time etc.. and I will stop contacting to prevent any further requests from her.

bro ramon, I never screw FLs without paying them even if they were my KC. In fact, most of the time, I tip them more.

On the contrary, the more I spend more time with her the more i get infactuated.:o....

thanks for your advice nevertheless.....

:)

[longwinter]

Ok bro, point noted! ;)

Me still too young too play this game,and i am reinforcing the Fcuk and Forget technique in my head every few hours to remind myself not to get stucked in this field. Once again thanks for helping bro

actually l tink it is best to jus go reinforce the fuck and forget theory. Save ur emotion, $$$, and time.

my frenz told me, dun nid go sbf find any good lobang or etc, jus head down to the notorious triangle at geylang there, heck care abt services good or not, go there and find one pretty gal face on the street and jus bonk liao, clean up, walk off...swee swee, no nid worry kc or not, cos mst of their services sucks one, easier to let go. :D

but l tink if like tat, machiam waste of $$$ lehss

[wodemama]

actually l tink it is best to jus go reinforce the fuck and forget theory. Save ur emotion, $$$, and time.

my frenz told me, dun nid go sbf find any good lobang or etc, jus head down to the notorious triangle at geylang there, heck care abt services good or not, go there and find one pretty gal face on the street and jus bonk liao, clean up, walk off...swee swee, no nid worry kc or not, cos mst of their services sucks one, easier to let go. :D

but l tink if like tat, machiam waste of $$$ lehss

Yea, bro! Service sucks still ok becuz as long as we can cum its good. Just bonk them missionary oso song, cuz bonking pretty girl ma.

Btw whre is the notorious triangle? I have no idea where it is, pls advise.

[aces68]

actually l tink it is best to jus go reinforce the fuck and forget theory. Save ur emotion, $$$, and time.

my frenz told me, dun nid go sbf find any good lobang or etc, jus head down to the notorious triangle at geylang there, heck care abt services good or not, go there and find one pretty gal face on the street and jus bonk liao, clean up, walk off...swee swee, no nid worry kc or not, cos mst of their services sucks one, easier to let go. :D

but l tink if like tat, machiam waste of $$$ lehss

I agree with you, bro. It's a waste of money if the service sucks, that's why for me I never go for streetwalkers because 99% do not have GFE. For me, I need GFE for my bonks, otherwise my didi cannot perform well :p

[longwinter]

I agree with you, bro. It's a waste of money if the service sucks, that's why for me I never go for streetwalkers because 99% do not have GFE. For me, I need GFE for my bonks, otherwise my didi cannot perform well :p

Haha, but if u tink hor, if the GFE is good, and u are weak minded, chances are that u are open up to another KC trap leh..

ya, streetwalkers service indeed sucks, my frenz who roamed there told me, out of 10 gals he bonk, 9 services kind of sucky and lousy, but he say he picked tio one who is very good. Frenching included, no time watcher, everything do swee swee wif my frenz. But u see 1/10. pathetic rite? But becos of this, my frenz moved on easily..maintain the fuck forget theory.

sumtime when the GFE is too overwhelming and great, it too oso might not be a good thing, dangerous.

but still l must admit l am a sucker of GFE so l can perform well.

[longwinter]

Yea, bro! Service sucks still ok becuz as long as we can cum its good. Just bonk them missionary oso song, cuz bonking pretty girl ma.

Btw whre is the notorious triangle? I have no idea where it is, pls advise.

it is ard lorong 8 there, those FL standing at hotel81 and darlene hotel that side lor controlled by mafu. Mostly 100 per shot.

[wodemama]

it is ard lorong 8 there, those FL standing at hotel81 and darlene hotel that side lor controlled by mafu. Mostly 100 per shot.

Oh, around darlene hotel where more prcs are sitting further in right? So the triangle is within darlene hotel premises? or stretch all the way to lor 14

[wodemama]

sumtime when the GFE is too overwhelming and great, it too oso might not be a good thing, dangerous.

but still l must admit l am a sucker of GFE so l can perform well.

If got very good GFE den best la, but once outta the room rmb to leave everything there. Naturally with GFE sure can perform better cuz we feel at ease, me into GFE.and if they allow Frenching,its even better becuz it makes the whole process more enjoyable but den thoese prc at lor 8 to 14 de mostly only give catbath/bj then FJ liao, thats it no more! Got some even worst, suck nipple liao den proceed FJ nvr even BJ.

[aces68]

Haha, but if u tink hor, if the GFE is good, and u are weak minded, chances are that u are open up to another KC trap leh...

sumtime when the GFE is too overwhelming and great, it too oso might not be a good thing, dangerous.

but still l must admit l am a sucker of GFE so l can perform well.

agree with you, but nowadays I always practice pay pay pay, no more FOC bonk..in this way, it's a reality check for me because I know that I am only paying for the GFE.

[wodemama]

agree with you, but nowadays I always practice pay pay pay, no more FOC bonk..in this way, it's a reality check for me because I know that I am only paying for the GFE.

One bro once said, a free bonk is the most expensive bonk.

[aces68]

If got very good GFE den best la, but once outta the room rmb to leave everything there. Naturally with GFE sure can perform better cuz we feel at ease, me into GFE.and if they allow Frenching,its even better becuz it makes the whole process more enjoyable but den thoese prc at lor 8 to 14 de mostly only give catbath/bj then FJ liao, thats it no more! Got some even worst, suck nipple liao den proceed FJ nvr even BJ.

hey, you are my man.
I cannot bonk without frenching...that's why damn difficult to find FL for me.
If I scan the FR and frenching is not mentioned, I can immediately unsubscribe from the thread..:p

[wodemama]

hey, you are my man.
I cannot bonk without frenching...that's why damn difficult to find FL for me.
If I scan the FR and frenching is not mentioned, I can immediately unsubscribe from the thread..:p

:D yea seems like we have alot in common :p. If got frenching best, even dun have i still ok de.. but attitude must be good la haha, we are there to enjoy not to see some black face no matter how freaking pretty she is. It totally spoils the mood

[longwinter]

If got very good GFE den best la, but once outta the room rmb to leave everything there. Naturally with GFE sure can perform better cuz we feel at ease, me into GFE.and if they allow Frenching,its even better becuz it makes the whole process more enjoyable but den thoese prc at lor 8 to 14 de mostly only give catbath/bj then FJ liao, thats it no more! Got some even worst, suck nipple liao den proceed FJ nvr even BJ.

hahaha, most of them very standard procedure one, and plus cannot finger them too. But once in a while, if u are really lucky, u will still manage to get one tat have good gfe fro there, altot the statistics is low la =x

l got one from darlene before, tink tat is my earlier cheonging days. allow me to kiss her, and she is no time watcher. very good.

[longwinter]

Frenching is always a very impt aspect in love making. l do enjoy frenchin/ kissing process. :o

[wodemama]

hahaha, most of them very standard procedure one, and plus cannot finger them too. But once in a while, if u are really lucky, u will still manage to get one tat have good gfe fro there, altot the statistics is low la =x

l got one from darlene before, tink tat is my earlier cheonging days. allow me to kiss her, and she is no time watcher. very good.

The other day when i 1st chiong gl, i got 1. Can finger her but after awhile she dun allow liao,and she allowed painting! Have yet to try thoese from darlene, 100 bucks and dunno how good they will be. Hmm. Bro maybe one day we can go down together lol

[longwinter]

The other day when i 1st chiong gl, i got 1. Can finger her but after awhile she dun allow liao,and she allowed painting! Have yet to try thoese from darlene, 100 bucks and dunno how good they will be. Hmm. Bro maybe one day we can go down together lol

Actually darlene hotel gals used to be very good de, a few yrs ago, the quality of the gals there, every single one of them hav sum substances and quality. But now as the yrs passes, my frenz and l jus feel tat the quality of the gals there getting worst. Like not much pretty babes at all. haha, sure, sent u a pm liao. ;)

[wodemama]

3 days ago i went down darlene. Got a few pretty one standing after darlene hotel. Hehe. maybe when u go there, the pretty ones already in some hot action liao thus u didnt saw them.

Received ur pm liao!

[cheongsan]

hmm............The one who started this thread must have been ripped off by PRC FLs several times before until all those countless hard-knocks had made him more "worldly-wise" and is using reverse psychology on the PRCs he met now.

While the temptation to meet a PRC for "true love" remains dormant, it is more rational to just adopt the golden principle of "fuck and forget" instead of attempting to come out with so many tips to avoid being manipulated or win the PRCs' hearts.

[longwinter]

3 days ago i went down darlene. Got a few pretty one standing after darlene hotel. Hehe. maybe when u go there, the pretty ones already in some hot action liao thus u didnt saw them.

Received ur pm liao!

dun noe leh, maybe different flowers appeal to different men bah or my standard in choosin gals too high liaos. :p

[wodemama]

dun noe leh, maybe different flowers appeal to different men bah or my standard in choosin gals too high liaos. :p

this is a classic case of one man's meat is another man's poison.!

But maybe not, as i said the real pretty 1 are servicing other customers and thoese left below 1 are the not-so-in-demand one! ;)

[Dancing]

Oh, around darlene hotel where more prcs are sitting further in right? So the triangle is within darlene hotel premises? or stretch all the way to lor 14

Bro, not within. Imagine Darlene is the top of triangle.

One bro once said, a free bonk is the most expensive bonk.

Yes and no on this statement. If u are a player, then its fine, but if u are not, u better hope and pray that u will never get one. But still like I say, even if u are a player, u can win all the time, but just don lose once.

[Dancing]

hmm............The one who started this thread must have been ripped off by PRC FLs several times before until all those countless hard-knocks had made him more "worldly-wise" and is using reverse psychology on the PRCs he met now.

While the temptation to meet a PRC for "true love" remains dormant, it is more rational to just adopt the golden principle of "fuck and forget" instead of attempting to come out with so many tips to avoid being manipulated or win the PRCs' hearts.

This is wat we call 经一事，长一智。�p¿Ÿ

[wodemama]

Bro, not within. Imagine Darlene is the top of triangle.



OK bro, so darlene is the tip of the triangle then i presume lor 14 is the base. Right?

[longwinter]

this is a classic case of one man's meat is another man's poison.!

But maybe not, as i said the real pretty 1 are servicing other customers and thoese left below 1 are the not-so-in-demand one! ;)

wah, haha den l must be very suay liaos lor. :(

[wodemama]

wah, haha den l must be very suay liaos lor. :(

You win some you lose some =P

Btw, you going for the tcss later ?

[longwinter]

You win some you lose some =P

Btw, you going for the tcss later ?

simi tcss, l no ideas lehs...:confused:

[wodemama]

simi tcss, l no ideas lehs...:confused:

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/orgies-swinging-arrangements/43429-tcsssgl10-samster-gathering-1407.html#post3022617
take a look~ held at gl de

[longwinter]

http://www.sammyboyforum.com/orgies-swinging-arrangements/43429-tcsssgl10-samster-gathering-1407.html#post3022617
take a look~ held at gl de

wah sure alot of ppl one in such event, but l dun tink l be goin bah. u goin, bro.

[wodemama]

wah sure alot of ppl one in such event, but l dun tink l be goin bah. u goin, bro.

Most likely going with some other bros.. but will be sitting away from the seniors ba.. den after that go hunting..

[longwinter]

Most likely going with some other bros.. but will be sitting away from the seniors ba.. den after that go hunting..

lclc, den happy ur hunting trip for wild flowers ;)

[wodemama]

lclc, den happy ur hunting trip for wild flowers ;)

Sure sure! hHEhe, arrange with u again den!

[Dancing]

simi tcss, l no ideas lehs...:confused:

Bro, look at my sigg......:(

Most likely going with some other bros.. but will be sitting away from the seniors ba.. den after that go hunting..

Give some face n intro urself to me ok? Since u only wanna siam all the seniors, so can come find a noob like me loh.:D

[wodemama]

Give some face n intro urself to me ok? Since u only wanna siam all the seniors, so can come find a noob like me loh.:D

Sure sure bro, how can u be a noob! omg. you organizer for this event leh! So how to find you once we reach? Do we shout out ur name?:p

[Dancing]

Sure sure bro, how can u be a noob! omg. you organizer for this event leh! So how to find you once we reach? Do we shout out ur name?:p

Please don shout my name. If u wan can shout IBONK. Anyway, when u come, see a big group of people, u will know liao lah

[alex18122003]

Please don shout my name. If u wan can shout IBONK. Anyway, when u come, see a big group of people, u will know liao lah

Hi organizer, u still awake hah :D

BIG event coming 2molow :p

[wodemama]

Haha, so many ppl abit paiseh to introduce myself lah! lata all stare at me and laugh.

[Dancing]

Hi organizer, u still awake hah :D

BIG event coming 2molow :p

U also mah

Haha, so many ppl abit paiseh to introduce myself lah! lata all stare at me and laugh.

Theres always a first time

[Monkey4]

Most likely going with some other bros.. but will be sitting away from the seniors ba.. den after that go hunting..

bro wodemama, IMHO, all are here to share lah.... no senior or junior ones lah...but if based on age... then really got a handful lah..... :D





Give some face n intro urself to me ok? Since u only wanna siam all the seniors, so can come find a noob like me loh.:D

bro wodemama, if u uncomfortable.... can look for dancing and me.... I should be hanging around him most of the time kaypohing who's here...and if think u cannot identify Dancing.... look out for the one who just reached puberty....u can definitely tell from one look at the face ....:rolleyes:

:D

[Dancing]

bro wodemama, IMHO, all are here to share lah.... no senior or junior ones lah...but if based on age... then really got a handful lah..... :D


I will be one of the junior for age also hor??:D

bro wodemama, if u uncomfortable.... can look for dancing and me.... I should be hanging around him most of the time kaypohing who's here...and if think u cannot identify Dancing.... look out for the one who just reached puberty....u can definitely tell from one look at the face ....:rolleyes:


Compare to u, I think I just reach puberty lah:p

[ramon]

hmm............The one who started this thread must have been ripped off by PRC FLs several times before until all those countless hard-knocks had made him more "worldly-wise" and is using reverse psychology on the PRCs he met now.

While the temptation to meet a PRC for "true love" remains dormant, it is more rational to just adopt the golden principle of "fuck and forget" instead of attempting to come out with so many tips to avoid being manipulated or win the PRCs' hearts.

You are very wrong, I didn't get ripped off, I ALLOWED IT TO HAPPENED. Why? Because I was looking for love and WLs at that time just seemed to be so easily available.

It's like drinking 3in1 coffee...you got the looks you like, sex in the shortest time and KC better than any real girlfriends.

So I will not claim that I got cheated but rather as life experiences where a price had to be paid financially and emotionally.

Everybody knows about "fuck and forget" but I can assure bros here that sometimes he can meet a WL that can turn him into a whimpering puppy because there will always be new tricks that WLs can think of and are smarter than him.

I can empathize with bros who are being played and I'm just giving some pointers that I have on how to play.

On another note, I'll tell a little episode about this WL which I've been screwing every week.

I got to know this WL from a karaoke lounge since last year and have been screwing her every once a week. We'll go to 81 and we'll spend minimum 4 hours inside the room. We'll talk, play, laugh and fuck and I never bring her anywhere else except to have lunch and then to 81.

Every time after the session I'll open her bag and I'll put money inside and dropped her off at her working place.

It was last week that something turn out differently than I expected. After the session I open her bag and want to put money inside, she look at me and ask " after we've known each other for so long, why do you still want to give me money?"

I suddenly blurted "it's something you can save or buy, after all, you need to have more money for your family" and she replied " I can make money elsewhere, no need from you, being with you makes me more happy than ever"
Then I said "ok,ok, why don't you buy a piggy bank and put that to save up so that you can buy me a present or use that to eat expensive food, or we can use that to go for short holidays too"

That seems to help and after I dropped her off she sms me "I Love You" I immediately deleted it and didn't bother to reply.

Truthfully, I've never had any intention to KC her. Somehow we've got very good chemistry together and each time our sex was like love making after two lovers were parted and get to meet again.

If I meet her this week and if she is going to talk on stuff that are more "cheem" then I will either play along or bail out in double quick time. I know I'll miss screwing her if I make a quick exit, but given a little time I know I can find someone new.

[cheongsan]

............ Because I was looking for love and WLs at that time just seemed to be so easily available.

It's like drinking 3in1 coffee...you got the looks you like, sex in the shortest time and KC better than any real girlfriends.

So I will not claim that I got cheated but rather as life experiences where a price had to be paid financially and emotionally.



While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

[aces68]

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[wodemama]

While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

To each his own. I think bro ramon feels that with the WL it is much easier to be "loved" although this feeling is brought about by the means of $$$. Not i feel that the whole affair should not escalate into the guy not being able to concentrate on work and stuff, enjoy the time with them and leave it as it is.They can spend thousands of minutes trying to KC us, but if we chose to discount whatever they say, we will be more or less immuned to it. Basically its mind over matter.

[DO_YOU_BJ]

While I still find it difficult to understand why you have the need to look for love in WLs and the likes using money, thank you nevertheless to let me see things in the perspective of chiongsters like you who gained sexually and emotionally during chionging.

Continue your unique way of looking for love.....

Like an international rule for this KC crap....all same shit but different stories only.......
Everyone has their own perceptions on things, their own way of life, their own personal experiences and how they want to learn or escape from these entrapment...what's important is they they learn something good from this ot these experiences.

[cablesnwires]

@ bro ramon,

Thank you for your insight. After seeing the rules, I kinda reflect back about my past encounters.... I like it especially when you said there will be 2 guys to support her financially and 1 average guy who will be at her whim and fancy... haha... exactly what my previous WL did...

Not sure if you are the one who provide this advice to this prc.... haha.... :D

P/S: It's over now.... and I can see where you are coming :).... agreed with you that it is a set of rules which most prc wl will adhere to.....

[colins]

@ bro ramon,

Thank you for your insight. After seeing the rules, I kinda reflect back about my past encounters.... I like it especially when you said there will be 2 guys to support her financially and 1 average guy who will be at her whim and fancy... haha... exactly what my previous WL did...

Not sure if you are the one who provide this advice to this prc.... haha.... :D

P/S: It's over now.... and I can see where you are coming :).... agreed with you that it is a set of rules which most prc wl will adhere to.....

bro cablesnwires, share your story soon.

[relaxguy]

Dear Bro ramon,
Firstly, I have to say sorry first to what I am going to say, because you (and many other bros) are not going to like it.

Like what many bros say here, I do not know why you think that you want to teach the new WLs here these little "tricks".

If you think it makes you look noble/helpful/smart/old bird or have some form of pride in doing so, think again. You are denying them (and many bros, including yourself) the chance that they actually give themselves a chance to really like/love someone. Also indirectly, you are causing many unncessary social problems and conflicts by thinking that you are helping the WL, but you are doing nothing but creating more cheating, lying and KC trap for both players. You, or many others might think that for the WLs, it is smart and for you, looks "smart/old birld" (i dont know) but I personally believe you are denying them and yourself a chance to have an alternative to live their/your lives here. I do not think anyone here would like to be anyone in the 2-1 relationship. Would you?

Let nature take its course, some will learn they like your style, some wont, some will have real feelings, some will even get married here. Let them learn at their experience, or expense. Give them a chance, also give yourself a chance.

You are just upsetting all the natural balance and possibly, all your "advice" is the reason why Singapore man should never ever get involved with a PRC WL in Singapore. The Singapore environment are too spartan for SG mans to develop the sense of balance which is necessary to counter the KC traps placed by woman, especially WL from other countries. Most Singaporean man are balless... sad but true.

Hell, most SG man cannot even control their own wife!

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Comments aside, I am rather reluctant to share sometimes because many people (especially Singaporeans) like to show off by exposing all these information freely with others which is not beneficial to others or people in the same boat. Thats why people outside singapore laugh at singaporeans.

Singaporeans think they are noble/伟大/神圣, the rest of the world think we are idiots/傻瓜/天真. To be honest, to tell others you are from singapore when you go to these places is asking for poor service and asking to be slaughtered. They know they can short-change and get away with it... I might have used too much generalization but yup, its mostly that bad.

Few examples: Changping used to be rather exclusive, until it started flooding with dirty arabs and black and what-have-nots. Guess who brought them there? Singaporeans mostly, who like to show off... (no offense, but it is true) HK man and Taiwanese man keep these little secrets mostly to themselves. Lucky we happen to know more places. Its always the same pattern, once more singaporeans go to these places, its time to move on, coz you know it will be polluted very quickly.

Eating places, I showed many nice local eating places to SG friends in many countries and in the end, all I get is mostly more singaporeans, spoliting the market, upping the price and bringing more pollutions without regard for keeping the place for future return!

Same for shopping, once you show to these people, they come, everything cheap (by these people standard), then we can forget about going back there again...

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and sparingly, dont just bring anyone you can bring to these places!

Stop teaching these FLs how to con local man, stop showing nice little secrets to just anyone on the streets and remember to always leave for future use.

I have yet to find 1 post in HK or TW forums where they are actually proud (I dont know if bro Ramon feel proud or not, no offense) that they are teaching WLs to play with inexperienced local man and how to con them! Only here. If PRC, HKie and TWnes can do it unitedly, why can't we?

Bro Ramon, my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.

[colins]

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and sparingly, dont just bring anyone you can bring to these places!

Stop teaching these FLs how to con local man, stop showing nice little secrets to just anyone on the streets and remember to always leave for future use.

I have yet to find 1 post in HK or TW forums where they are actually proud (I dont know if bro Ramon feel proud or not, no offense) that they are teaching WLs to play with inexperienced local man and how to con them! Only here. If PRC, HKie and TWnes can do it unitedly, why can't we?

Bro Ramon, my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.

I applaud your intention, bro. It has a good rationale and the explanation is fully supported by experience. Up you.

Actually, WL are a little more clever than we are. In fact, they tend to always be just that little half step ahead of most of us. Meaning most of us can never hope of matching them in their game. The reason is simple, our transaction is such that we are using money to have fun. If we use emotion to play and they use wits to play, we definite lose big time. If both use wits to play, they have more experience so still they win (guess who meets more opponent each day?). How many WL use emotion to play? Either those on their way back to where they are from, or super players who carry no humanity.

Trust me when I say what bro Ramon says to them will only help them about 0.0001%. Most of those girls he met will be laughing their heads out seeing a customer so enthusiatically intent in teaching them their tools of the trade. If you are a certified master welder, your customer come and tell you how to set the current for a T-joint weld, you listen respectfully becos he pays you to stay on your job. Then you thank him for the great advice and treat him coffee. This is customer service, not mentorship. The idea is that bro Ramon found a way to communicate with his girls and probably thought it really helps in making him popular. That's a good thing but maybe that's about it, a good thing.

Thats why my question posted to him was, what he intend to gain and what has he gained? To which, I guess, there wasn't a satisfactory answer to prove that what I said above, was wrong.

Cheerios:p

[newbadass]

What he did is not wrong. Not very intelligent and not very productive, but still not wrong.

Think about it: experience is the best teacher. If people don't kenna KC and then chopped, how will they learn? If don't learn, how to grow? Some can learn from other peoples' mistakes. Some need to experience firsthand then they get it. And some need to kenna multiple times before they wise up. So if you look at the big picture, WLs KC-ing "stupid Singapore men" and chopping them isn't such a bad thing.

I agree that threadstarter's advice to the WLs is probably "keh khan". But again, I must emphasise... he is not wrong to do it. He's not telling them things they don't already know.

[colins]

I agree that threadstarter's advice to the WLs is probably "keh khan". But again, I must emphasise... he is not wrong to do it. He's not telling them things they don't already know.

Wrong or not wrong is subjective to the intention (or teaching WL tricks), since the effect is negligible.

[justl00king]

Singaporeans, when can you learn to enjoy and share secrets with your fellow countryman only and STOP pretending to be noble by sharing these information without regard for future visits? Just share selectively, locally and , my advise for you is to stop dispensing these "advice" to anyone, you can save many many people from unncessary pain, agony and maybe even monetary/emotional loss.Well said...

7upz from me. :)

To the bros who are teaching them.-These WL more smarter than you think, still need you to advise?" :rolleyes:

[aces68]

bro colins & relaxguy, agree with what you said.
The WL's are much smarter than we are cos they need to use their wits to survive.

I think the only good thing about bro ramon's posting is that it will knock some common sense into bros who are in KC trap now.

[colins]

I think the only good thing about bro ramon's posting is that it will knock some common sense into bros who are in KC trap now.

Agree. Bros seeing themselves at the receiving end of such punishments will be glad to see their situation mirrored here. In that bro ramon's intention is very good cos he could have kept quiet.

One thing to note is that bros who are not in those situations should not develop a false sense of security as well. That's the purpose of saying that it is pretty redundant in trying to teach them WL your one trick or two cos it will only bring sniggering at your direction. They definately know better.

[ramon]

I've been busy lately..hee..hee.....been going to Armani 3 times a week for the past 2 months or so and have finally selected a WL who has some brains for me to spar with.

I'm just sharing my way of playing, may not be agreeable to bros here.

I only go during HH, and from the beginning I've decided to choose and be entertained by 6 WLs on every visit. The 6 WLs became my regulars and I do not change or swop even though there may be fresher stocks.

Of the 6 there are 3 syts and 3 are in their late 20s. Each of them has their story to tell and each of them react differently to my bonking.

Just last week I've decided to settle on this WL (let's call her Esther) who used to be a ktv mamasan in Shanghai and was even a manageress in one of the HC that does the "acrobatic red rope" thinghy.

Esther's story is quite simple : she made quite a lot of money but lost all in her failed business venture and her boyfriend is now in jail for fraud. She has been here for 2 years and will try to work for another 2 years until she is able to complete her payment for her 3 storey house she's been building!!

This kind of story I just listen only lah, no point figuring out whether there's any truth to it, so maybe there are bros here who have heard the same story too.

Good thing is I can go to her place for lunch where she cooks real good stuff and her soup is superb. (other bros may have been going too)

Money wise, when is money ever enough for a WL? Of course they will say things like they need to buy this, pay for that etc... and sometimes she just mentioned that I don't have to give that much but she'll still accept it!!!

Anyways I've been thinking that perhaps there should two threads on dealing with WLs, one is for those who are married men and one for the single men because the approach to having a relationship with a WL is quite different from one to the other.