Siao liao

[diesel]

Originally Posted by Smeagol

So your stupid advice will require
1) Paying hugh amount of premium for next one year
2) cook up some stupid story about HIV contraction not through sex..... (you think the insurers so stupid meh??)
3) Mental torture of preparing one self for suicide in one years time

This is really bad, uninformed, insensitive, uneducated advice from your part.

You are a very bad person

Sorry to suggest this.

[Historyx]

poor thing. Sigh.

[Frankiestine]

Originally Posted by smartalex

Bro, here are my thoughts to cheer u up. Remember - our lives are very short, and this is a wicked planet to be born in. We will all die one day - so whether death happens at 40 or 70 years old does not make much difference. My father died at 44 because of cancer. There are many others who died even younger due to road accidents or got murdered. So take heart bro. Its not like you are an immortal who lost your immortality.

Death is the only certainty in life, it is only that we wished to could die in a dignified manner. AIDS has been relegated to a shame disease to die of, why becos of the social stigma given by so call moralist that looks down on pple like us that engaged in alternative lifestyle. We all will die whether young or old, we will die. Until the day society takes a different approach and view of AIDS sufferers, many will chose to remain silent about even if they know they are stricken with the disease.

[holding]

So sad...do take care...Do hope u and your wife can work everything out & your wife will be fine...

most patients do live quite a sizeable amt of years with a positive mindset...

[LED...]

Very sorry to hear wht happen to you bro.........stay strong and after you have compose yourself.....like wht other bros said, do try your best to info those that you have fun with b4 in order to help others too......cheers

[poison]

Had not hear from u since u first post, hope u and wife are ok.
Although u siao liao but No words can express her anger and sadness, so please try and understand her part.

After knowing that bro +++u had unfortunately kena HIV positive. I suddenly seem to wake up from my lusty dream from these past years. What would I react if I was in his case. I certainly would regret like hell and would not be able to face my family and wife.

Since started to engage in commercial sex thru’ this forum started with cheonging HC and later to GL and FL. Of course I never did raw b4 but had a few times of bbbj offer and I had gladly accepted it thinking it would be safe. Luckily for me, I was not HIV +ve the last time I had taken a test, ever since then I never accept bbbj. But you never know when your luck is down, the condom might break when you’re having sex.

After reading about bro +++u incident, I had decided this is the end of commercial sex for me and stay faithful to my wife. Just feel that I don’t want to regret it only when I kena AIDS or STD. As I’m now into Buddhism, begin to believe into Karma, you may not get your retribution in this life but it certainly will be in your next life and if the effect (AIDS) was infected to your wife or children, think of the suffering of the innocent. Don’t let their trust in you betrayed.

So to all bros who read this, go for a last checkup and stop engage in commercial sex or even ONS and be faithful to your spouse. Think of the hurt you will be causing them if the unthinkable happen. Don’t regret only when you gets sick. Don’t let your small head gets over your big head.

To those who bros who really gets addicted to sex, always wear condom even if it’s only a BJ! Nothing is 100% safe unless you don’t do it.

And lastly all the best to bro +++u, hopes that he can be strong enough to face the reality.

[jswong]

My true story

Between 1994 to 1996, I was Kong Siak,Kin Chio Kar, GeyLang lor 4 to lor 24 chicken king. Always trying new birds here and there. $40, $60, $80 are my usual ones.Then I upgrade to Tanjung Pinang, Batam, Tanjong Balai and JB Ocean Paradise Hotel. Every sat morning, catching the first ferry with many other Singaporeans to nearby islands for cheap sex.
Sometime i didn't put CD, sometime i put. Tikum Tikum lor
One day, one of my cheong partner complaint of constant fever, night sweats, low sai always, non stop coughs. He went to check up. At first GP never suspect. After second visit. GP ask him to take a HIV test. 3 days later, he was tested positive. He was devastated and kept himseft from socialising, eating.
I was also panic. I cannot sleep, cannot work, dunno how to tell my wife. I went to polyclinic to take a HIV test. The doctor and nurse who attented to me look at me as though I am somekind of leprosy patient. The whole room was so eerie. I never return to collect my results.
I went to GP to take the test. They told me to wait 3 days. 3 DAYS, MY GOD, 3 MIN I ALSO CANNOT TAHAN DONT SAY 3 DAYS. I cried when I am alone, I was so worried i couldnt sleep. I couldnt eat. I told my parents and they were angry and lost. I went to Jesus, Mother Mary FOR HELP.
Then one day, the telephone rings. A voice says "Mr Wong, your HIV result is negative. Congratulations"
Afther that, I never dare to go to the islands. GL, HC. Everytime DIY.

[Verbatin]

My sympathy goes out to brother +++ugawa. He has to be strong. There is nothing i can say.

This is surely a wake up call for many of us here.

I too was also worried that i might caught the dreaded HIV disease. I have been living in fear for the past 13 year. my situation may not be as risky as many brothers who did raw with prostitue but i can tell u, the fear is the same for all who went through HIV testing.

This happened back in 1992 when i was still in the army. I went with a grp of army frd to Tanjung Pinang. I had a BBBJ with a gal. It lasted abt 15 second long and i manage to stop the gal in time. I didnt fuck her....just ask her to masturbate me.

As all expert would say BBBJ is consider very low risk. However i got very worried when i had those symptons associated with initiial HIV infection after abt 3 week. My whole body back broke out in rashes. Lesion of skin and many many red dot burst with blood. i really meant my whole body (back) was in red dots (looks worst than mosquitoes bite).

I also came down with fever (2 times in 2 week) and i lose 10% of my weight. I felt lethargic. Frds who saw me asked how come i suddenly lose so much weight. Deep down i know i am at a very low risk since it is only 15 sec of BBBJ, but those symption made me very worried (especially the weight loss and Rashes as never in my lfie i had so much weight loss and rashes)

I live with this fear for the past 13 yr of my life. I do cheong GL/TN for all u know but i never ever do BBBJ and fuck raw. it is just not worth the excitement.

Over the years, my fear of caughting HIV receded but still i couldnt sleep soundly when i think of the rashes and weight loss that i had back in 1992. for information, i never really regain those weight that i had lost. This would made me worried "once in a while".

recently i decided to go for a HIV test. Partly because i dont want to remain single forever. I would want to get married so it is good that i go for a check up. i was told i have to wait for 1 week. I can tell u that the 1 week is like a eternity to me. it is certainly my longest one week.

subsciously I kept thinking of the odds of getting it. It affected my work. I was lucky my busy work distract my worries and kept me going.

i keep telling myself i am going to be safe since it has been 13 long year (as i read that up 85%-90% of the pple with HIV will go on to develop full blown Aids if left untreated). I was thinking my odds has come down considerably since it has been a long 13 year.

However when i think of the rashes and my weight loss, i got very worried again. Then i reminded myself abt the low risk of HIV from BBBJ, my mood got better. But then again i think of the rashes and weight loss that i had, and i would get worried again. In a nutshell, my mood was like a pendulum swinging from one end to another depending on which odds i was "mentally calculating.

Like many brothers here, i did a lot of research abt HIV on the net. All these did not take away my fear. It only helps to swing my mood from one end to another.

After a week, i finally i got my HIV result. I was negative. Words cannot aptly decribe how i feel but i can tell u the feelings is better than the sex itself.

My advice to all cheongster is make sure u put on protection if u want to cheong.

[MitMit]

Hi Verbatin, why waited 13 years to get tested???!! If you are +ve, it would certainly be too late! Please do at least an annual testing if you are a regular cheongsters say the AFA volunteers. take care.

[bongster]

Bro... great u finally cleared. But why wait till 13 years after. To all out there... TAKE THE TEST EARLY. Relieve yourselves of any stress. But most imptly is to protect, if you dun protect, no number of tests can help you.

[icecoffee]

Same here, I mostly cheong WL, tomyam flavour, protected all the time, except for bbbj...I was in another country when I went for a checkup , and the doctor touched my neck and suspect the swollen lymph node was dued to HIV, she gave me a suspecting look which made me even more nervous...so went for test, that time my wife was beside me, wah, lagi worse...

The test itself took 1 hr, during that 1 hr, its was like awaiting the death sentence...it was really terrible, that time i promised myself never to go and cheong again, it's really ain't worth it...

In the end, it was negative...it feel like better than strike toto...so, lesson learnt...nowadays also diy liao, at least when get illness won't be so gan cheong.

[john_lim9]

so sorry to hear that..........
pls be strong

think the only way i can help is to chip in some fund for the expensive medical

any bro here collecting on his behalf pls count me in, thanks

[Verbatin]

I know it sounds stupid to live with it for 13 years. But i know that my risk is very very low since my exposure from BBBJ is only a short 15 seconds. I do cheong GL/TN once in a while but they are mostly HJ and i make sure i have protection when i have a BJ and FJ.

I know i am contradicting myself. On the one hand i was telling myself that my risk are very low, on the other hand i was also worried that somehow i maybe the first documented case of getting HIV from BJ. In the end, i was swayed by the fact that i was at a fairly low risk and i "conveniently" decided not to go for the test 13 yr ago. Over the years, the fear did not really go away. Sometimes it came back but it didnt really stay for long.

In all honesty, it is actualy the one week waiting period for the HIV results that is mentally killing. It is surely the longest one week of my life. Wild thought keeps running in my mind during that one week waiting period. This was compounded by the fact that i was down with rashes (whole back), fever and weight loss (10%) 3 week after my BJ exposure. I was told that up to 85% of the people would go on to develop Aids in 8-10 years (if left untreated). I am into my 13th year so my odds of getting it are really low. but still it is really mentally torturing.

When my result came out negative. I really feel that i just got out of jail. This is really a wake up call.

My advice to al brother is to make sure you are protected when you cheong. It will save you much anguish and trouble later one.


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Originally Posted by MitMit

Hi Verbatin, why waited 13 years to get tested???!! If you are +ve, it would certainly be too late! Please do at least an annual testing if you are a regular cheongsters say the AFA volunteers. take care.