Price Difference for Girls, Are we Paying PREMIUM to GIRL or OKT???

raoulvii · #1 22-02-2008, 01:21 AM

Recently patronised almost all the market's online OKTS. I realised something disturbing.

It has all along been in the market that there are girls being marketed at different prices. Some at $100, $120, $130, $150, $170, $180, $200.

All along I thought that girls which are being marketed at higher price means that the OKTs have to pay them more to procure them to come to Singapore but this is exactly not the case.

Example
OKT A sells GIRL A at $160
OKT B sells GIRL B at $170
OKT C sells GIRL C at $130
OKT D sells GIRL D at $130

Does it mean that GIRL B will earn the most? Or GIRL A will earn more than GIRL C and GIRL D?

The result is as follow

OKT A sells GIRL A at $160 and GIRL A's cut=$80, OKT A earn $80
OKT B sells GIRL B at $170 and GIRL B's cut=$80, OKT B earn $90
OKT C sells GIRL C at $130 and GIRL C's cut=$75, OKT C earn $55
OKT D sells GIRL D at $130 and GIRL D's cut=$80, OKT D earn $50

I have nothing against OKTs for earning money as they have their operating costs, risk factor to seriously consider. But what irks me is when they come tell us customers I cannot charge lesser because I have to pay more money to get the girl to work in my stable and come to SINGAPORE.

What a fucking load of bullshit when the above scenario already shows that the girl commanding a higher price than other girls in market generally don't mean they are being paid more. (All are paid almost the same) All this extra $40 $50 bucks goes to the OKT's pocket.

I wonder do they give these girls abalone for 3 meals a day, gold toothpicks to pick their tooth after makan, or are they paying income tax to IRAs on these girl's behalf?

This is not how the flesh market works and should work. In the whole world, except for places where human trafficking and forced prostitution is prevalent, the service provider, which in this case the girls will get the bulk of the share. However this is not the case with one of the girl I mentioned above getting her share which is EVEN much lesser than her OKT.I also realised that some OKTs are taking advantage of us customers just because their girl is more youthful and more swee and then come take us customers on a big boat ride and tell us this girls are harder to get and they have to pay more to get them to come singapore. Hello, Mr OKT, we are in 1st world country, and yet your style of operating is still 3rd world.

Imagine an extra $30 we pay which does not go to girl but OKT.
10 sessions is $300. 80 sessions will be $2400
5 girls will be a whopping $10K into the OKT's pocket just because of 1 reason which he lies to us. I am paying premium to get the girl here.

The poor girl open leg use her pussy to work, the OKT get his share is good enough. But to come lie to us tell us he is paying more to get the girl here when in actual fact only paying the girl standard market rate with other girls.

Don't take us as 3 year old kids.

Now I want to see any of the OKTs want to tell us their share of the story.

trax · #2 22-02-2008, 03:27 AM

I no OKT watsoever, but here is my humble guess.

Its simple supply and demand.

For example, an OKT has 2 girls, one pretty and aged 19, the other not pretty and aged 27. Assuming that both girls take the same amount of $ (e.g. $70) into their own pocket. Assume also a max of 8 slots a day.

Lets study 2 scenarios (non-exhaustive, for illustration only)

Scenario 1, if both are priced at the same price, say $120. Wouldn't the 19 y/o one be snapped up and fully booked while the other girl gets only half her max daily slots booked (4 out of 8)?
OKT gets (8 slots x $50) + (4 slots x $50) = $600. Damm... thats good money for answering sms/calls!
If this is the case, the 27 y/o one earns less too, half of what her colleague earns. Not by choice!

Scenario 2. If OKT prices the 19 y/o old at $130, and the 27 y/o one at $110. Both might get 3/4 of their daily slots filled (why both the same? See analysis below). Fairer for both girls too.
OKT gets (6 slots x $60) + (6 slots x $40) = $600.

So you see, in both cases, OKT gets about the same amount. And since he earns the same amount, why bother? Having a price difference might help manage and balance the supply and demand. Price difference also makes it fairer to both girls as they both get to more equal number of assignment and earnings. In this way, girls happy, OKT happy, MOST customer happy too (i'll explain why later). If OKT employs scenario 1 (no price difference), younger prettier girl surely snapped up till no slots left for some customers. Customers might be unhappy and end up trying another OKT girls, and if customer likes it, he'll return to that competing OKT, that means - 1 lost customer. LOSE - LOSE.
Here are the possible intangible benefits for OKT: Girls get equal amount of jobs and earnings, less internal competition, rivalry, and hence a cohesive workforce with possibility of building up the OKT's name back in thailand by word of mouth, so OKT might have better and easier access to a better pool of talents which is the essence and building block of his business.

Now, why did i say MOST customers will be happy above, though we have a disgruntled TS asking bout the difference in price. Well, you see, this phenomenon has risen due to the 'suckerisium' in all of us for SYT and pretty ones. Most people would naturally want the younger and/or prettier ones for the same price. Some ARE WILLING to pay more for the younger one but NOT for the older and not so pretty one, hence the different price points on the 2 girls. So, ultimately, who IS to blame? Not that we should be blamed, but thats just how to world works.

Another case study would be to observe why some agents promote their girls at lower prices during off peak hours. Don't need much explanation here... But you see, price points dictate demand levels.

Its all a matter of balancing the supply-demand equilibrium.

Last but not least, any agents or legal houses need a business/marketing consultant? Improved sales and customer retention guaranteed. Heehe... :P

Edit: TS did mention about the lying part of the OKT. In that argument, then yes, the OKT is outright at fault. But then again, when you buy chicken rice for $1 more nowadays, uncle say chicken price go up. But think about it, the amount of chicken on your plate go up by $1 meh?! If you ask me, thats how businesses are run in the real world. Its all a bunch of lies and deception. Just ask a rich guy named Bill.

Don't flame me. Its just my simplistic analysis. Agents... shed some insights?

bigguy1980 · #3 22-02-2008, 04:40 AM

Share with you bros one more SHOCKING news..

Did you know that the first 27 customers (in some case, 30 customers) that the poor Thai girl service is totally FOC, which mean that they do not earn a single cents from us. All the dollars goes 100% into the OKT pocket. These OKT charge them a service fee. (To pay for airticket, accomodation, logging, food etc)

So they can only start earning their cut of commission from the 27th customer onwards. Ofcos, if we tip them, they get to keep those la.

So those early bird discounts bla bla bla is all marketing bullshit, all $$$$ goes into the OKT pocket anyway. Discount given is to get as many customer as possible in the fastest possible time.

Then when the quota of 27 customer is reach, lesser customer is being push to these batch of girls, as these OKT will then have another batch of new girls comming in..

So if u think these Thai girls earn a lot, think again !!!!!
Base on my understanding, most of them only got 14 days visa, first 5 days to cleared the 27 customer requirement (6 per day).. and the remainding 9 days to earn their paycheck!

sammyboyfor · #4 22-02-2008, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bigguy1980

Share with you bros one more SHOCKING news..

Did you know that the first 27 customers (in some case, 30 customers) that the poor Thai girl service is totally FOC, which mean that they do not earn a single cents from us. All the dollars goes 100% into the OKT pocket. These OKT charge them a service fee. (To pay for airticket, accomodation, logging, food etc)

You obviously know jackshit about how businesses operate.

Your so called "shocking news" applies to ALL businesses. Why should commercial sex be any different.

The first goal of any business is to recoup overheads. Until overheads are covered, no profits can be made.

If you have some sort of moral objection to the way OKTs operate, go look for your own girls. Don't come here.

raoulvii · #5 22-02-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by trax

For example, an OKT has 2 girls, one pretty and aged 19, the other not pretty and aged 27. Assuming that both girls take the same amount of $ (e.g. $70) into their own pocket. Assume also a max of 8 slots a day.

Edit: TS did mention about the lying part of the OKT. In that argument, then yes, the OKT is outright at fault. But then again, when you buy chicken rice for $1 more nowadays, uncle say chicken price go up. But think about it, the amount of chicken on your plate go up by $1 meh?! If you ask me, thats how businesses are run in the real world. Its all a bunch of lies and deception. Just ask a rich guy named Bill.

Don't flame me. Its just my simplistic analysis. Agents... shed some insights?

My argument is on the part when OKT tells us they need to pay premium to bring the girl to SG. When you ask the girl how much she gets, the cut she gets is no different from other normal girls brought in. Premium???

I initially thought hotel room rates will be a difference. But if you followed my example of Girl A, B, C, D, the hotels that they are staying in, the room rates are more or less the same. So where the premium goes? Condoms made of GOLD, or Abalone for them 3 meals a day?

As for the pretty girl n not so pretty girl argument. If the girl not pretty, the OKT bring in SG for fuck? Girl not pretty still bring to SG to waste her time, or let her take some heavily photoshopped studio pictures to CON us to book us and waste money?

Talk about lies. 38yrs old girl market and put as 25 years old. Is the OKT ignorant to put the truth or are we ignorant of the truth?

What about my argument on the part where one OKT's cut is even much more than the girl? Never open leg still earn more each session than the girl. Wah the girl must be super kum lan to believe him.

raoulvii · #6 22-02-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trax

I no OKT watsoever, but here is my humble guess.

Its simple supply and demand.

For example, an OKT has 2 girls, one pretty and aged 19, the other not pretty and aged 27. Assuming that both girls take the same amount of $ (e.g. $70) into their own pocket. Assume also a max of 8 slots a day.

Lets study 2 scenarios (non-exhaustive, for illustration only)

Scenario 1, if both are priced at the same price, say $120. Wouldn't the 19 y/o one be snapped up and fully booked while the other girl gets only half her max daily slots booked (4 out of 8)?
OKT gets (8 slots x $50) + (4 slots x $50) = $600. Damm... thats good money for answering sms/calls!
If this is the case, the 27 y/o one earns less too, half of what her colleague earns. Not by choice!

Scenario 2. If OKT prices the 19 y/o old at $130, and the 27 y/o one at $110. Both might get 3/4 of their daily slots filled (why both the same? See analysis below). Fairer for both girls too.
OKT gets (6 slots x $60) + (6 slots x $40) = $600.

So you see, in both cases, OKT gets about the same amount. And since he earns the same amount, why bother? Having a price difference might help manage and balance the supply and demand. Price difference also makes it fairer to both girls as they both get to more equal number of assignment and earnings.
Don't flame me. Its just my simplistic analysis. Agents... shed some insights?

There is no reason for OKTs to practise leveraging of income from 1 pretty SYT and 1 not so pretty mature girl. Because their job is to bring in swee girls and we pay to engage their service. If the girl got no jobs, it just means the girl is not pretty or the service is not on par with standard. So why should we consumers bear the brunt for their failure in getting good stocks. Or is it they have to anyhow bring in girls to make up the numbers so that they can earn more?

Don't worry I wouldn't assume you are OKT or their clone. But the way you put things, I can't guarantee that people here who read will not have the misconception that you are trying to score points with your favourite OKTs and probably get discounts of rack rates.

raoulvii · #7 22-02-2008, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigguy1980

Share with you bros one more SHOCKING news..

Did you know that the first 27 customers (in some case, 30 customers) that the poor Thai girl service is totally FOC, which mean that they do not earn a single cents from us. All the dollars goes 100% into the OKT pocket. These OKT charge them a service fee. (To pay for airticket, accomodation, logging, food etc)

So they can only start earning their cut of commission from the 27th customer onwards. Ofcos, if we tip them, they get to keep those la.

So those early bird discounts bla bla bla is all marketing bullshit, all $$$$ goes into the OKT pocket anyway. Discount given is to get as many customer as possible in the fastest possible time.

Then when the quota of 27 customer is reach, lesser customer is being push to these batch of girls, as these OKT will then have another batch of new girls comming in..

So if u think these Thai girls earn a lot, think again !!!!!
Base on my understanding, most of them only got 14 days visa, first 5 days to cleared the 27 customer requirement (6 per day).. and the remainding 9 days to earn their paycheck!

This part is not so shocking. Because some OKTs charge TAX, while some don't.

The OKT tells the girl that they charge them tax while the OKT will absorb hotel room, air ticket, food, daily bath neccesities. What sammy said is correct. Every business should first cover their overheads. There is no reason for OKT to incur any loss because with this TAX system, they already sure win, compared to those OKTs who don't charge TAX.

However there is a flaw here which was not revealed.
If the FL works only like 1 week and goes back thailand, who WIN?
OKT of course. The lesser the period the FL stays, the better will be for the OKT. Because the FL will free up 1 room for the next FL to come so that the OKT can reabsorb new TAX.

The part where you said after the TAX is paid up, less customers are being pushed to the girl. Doesn't happen to all cases, but it happens in MOST CASES.

Not to argue on whether this is right or wrong as this thread is going to focus more on whether the premium we pay goes into the so-called procuring the girl to come SG to work or in actual fact lining the wallets of these OKTs.

astrozz · #8 22-02-2008, 10:45 AM

Let us not put our assumptions and get worked up over it. Unless you know/find out exactly how various OKTs/WLs work out their cuts . I know from some WLs that they have to pay for their own hotel stay , rooms are not provided by the OKT , so I am guessing different OKTs has different arrangements with their girls and as long as the girls and OKT can come to terms with it, why we bother ?

Generally , I will not go for OKTs who market their girls at higher rates . There are some who priced their LOS girls at 170/180 while the average is 150 giving excuses like very pretty, young, blah blah..... I have my own 'banned list' of OKTs I do not patronise no matter how good their girls can be , I dont even view their threads. There are enough supply of reasonably priced girls in the market , in fact , the supply is more than one can consume !

The bottomline is - we decide how much we wanna spend and where we wanna spend it.

okietokie · #9 22-02-2008, 11:40 AM

Hi Bros,

Agree with bro astrozz

The bottomline is - we decide how much we wanna spend and where we wanna spend it.

At times its just a matter of service to us on whether is if worth the price we paid. Indeed there are pricing variance which is still up to us to take the risk before SMSes to the OKT. Not forgeting the pic and the real thing is always different.

We may hear and see the remark Premium $160 but what is it all about ... we would not know unless we risk it with our heart earned $$$.

I very much believe the OKT are earning thru "Commission" as all cheongster like us have to go thru him mah. ANd it also very much depend on the OKT's network or regular which eventually convince the OL to go under his wing of operation. That is why you can tell and see OL switching around OKTs.

And also for those FL who cant perform, you will realise, their stay is shorten to prevent any further reputation damage of the OKTs too.

So much more we can derive and conclude or speculate, its whether if our money is well spent for a unforgetable experience !!!

Cheers bro !!! Hope i dun offend any bros !!!

trax · #10 22-02-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by raoulvii

There is no reason for OKTs to practise leveraging of income from 1 pretty SYT and 1 not so pretty mature girl. Because their job is to bring in swee girls and we pay to engage their service. If the girl got no jobs, it just means the girl is not pretty or the service is not on par with standard. So why should we consumers bear the brunt for their failure in getting good stocks. Or is it they have to anyhow bring in girls to make up the numbers so that they can earn more?

Don't worry I wouldn't assume you are OKT or their clone. But the way you put things, I can't guarantee that people here who read will not have the misconception that you are trying to score points with your favourite OKTs and probably get discounts of rack rates.

I'm not trying to score points but just providing an alternative view, and I do agree with you fully on the bloody photoshopped pics. If indeed i was trying to achieve what you mentioned, i would have slammed you and spent my time posting "positive" FRs rather then bickering in your thread instead, dont you think?

If you can take a healthy argument... With regards to your above, I pose the question. Why do car importers bring in smaller, inferior, and/or cars that they make less profit on? But then again, on the other hand, I do see from your point as well. Why don't the agent bring in all the pretty ones instead and possibility increase his personal profits, leaving other agents to meet the demands on customers in the other market segments.

44mm · #11 22-02-2008, 12:20 PM

Actually all are right in their own ways just that views are from different angles. To be honest if the prices are too high just dun pratonised that particular OKTs. Its your money anyway.

There are never shortage of gals and OKTs for us to look for. Its a free market and this ongoing issue have been around for a long long time. However we still get some good offers from some OKTs.

We are not in their line so we cant really fully understand. If good to earn sure everyone rushing to have a cut of the pie. We have also seen some OKTs start awhile and disappear or sad to say "closed shop"

Sorry my england very lousy cos i am just a busdriver. Just my 2 cents.

Bonniesan · #12 22-02-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by astrozz

Let us not put our assumptions and get worked up over it. Unless you know/find out exactly how various OKTs/WLs work out their cuts . I know from some WLs that they have to pay for their own hotel stay , rooms are not provided by the OKT , so I am guessing different OKTs has different arrangements with their girls and as long as the girls and OKT can come to terms with it,.

Right! Want my explaination?

Bonniesan · #13 22-02-2008, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrozz

Generally , I will not go for OKTs who market their girls at higher rates . There are some who priced their LOS girls at 170/180 while the average is 150 giving excuses like very pretty, young, blah blah..... I have my own 'banned list' of OKTs I do not patronise no matter how good their girls can be , I dont even view their threads. There are enough supply of reasonably priced girls in the market , in fact , the supply is more than one can consume !

The bottomline is - we decide how much we wanna spend and where we wanna spend it.

Very right. Its your choice. No one can force you.

Exciteme · #14 22-02-2008, 01:07 PM

For me, i believe Pic gum, Price gum for my wallet, i send sms.

Whether premium gal or special discount, ultimately i must feel comfortable to part my hard earned money.

Too much maths for me to go consider OKT P&L.

Just my small personal views.

jasont · #15 22-02-2008, 01:53 PM

Personally, if I see an OKT charge more than 130 then I turn off already. Especially if the girls are Thai. I have patronised the more expensive ones before and I'll say this, the difference in "quality" is negligible. I've taken cheaper OKTs whose hotel rooms are much better than those more expensive OKTs. So yes, I'm aware some OKTs are cutthroat scum both to customers and to their girls.

Then again, when you think about it, if we haggle over less than $40, I think we're probably better off not spending our money on sex but to actually save those funds for a more important reason. It's an expensive hobby after all.