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Nokia8800 cheap cheap phone cannot do anything except sms & mms.
I bankrupt n a half liao, now cannot even afford to buy panda brand phone
Mai Kay Siao la, must be your slut phone like my friends use lousy 2nd phone for sluts....
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Mai Kay Siao la, must be your slut phone like my friends use lousy 2nd phone for sluts....
Really la, xiami watsapp, weixin, qq, ebuddy all i oso buay hiao.
Dun believe ask LDH or flower king lor, i only got 1 phone since 4yrs ago till now & its a nokia8800 really trust me trust me trust trust me la hehehehe
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Really la, xiami watsapp, weixin, qq, ebuddy all i oso buay hiao.
Dun believe ask LDH or flower king lor, i only got 1 phone since 4yrs ago till now & its a nokia8800 really trust me trust me trust trust me la hehehehe
I was like you bro, very sturborn, stuck with nokia for so many years, kena suan by many people for being so reluntant to change, till I finally changed to iphone and realised that nokia is not as user frenly as I tot it is...same concept with women, just for example I stick to this level of women at mid range ktvs like china doll, dm, club jade...but if I change to higher range joints like LP I may suddenly realised there is another class of women!
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I was like you bro, very sturborn, stuck with nokia for so many years, kena suan by many people for being so reluntant to change, till I finally changed to iphone and realised that nokia is not as user frenly as I tot it is...same concept with women, just for example I stick to this level of women at mid range ktvs like china doll, dm, club jade...but if I change to higher range joints like LP I may suddenly realised there is another class of women!
Oh sorry i didn't know.
Anyway, like i mentioned, Iphone poory poor me cannot afford, let alone Panda brand phone.
So LL lor, stick to my super el cheapo nokia8800
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Me retired dun ask or tell me
Look for the Prince
No money to buy good phone how to use watsapp, i only have 8800
Prince no money, people already say Prince bankrupt so let it be....
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hehehe wise words are no words, I really interested in this huang chao singer how? why you no whatsapp I send you her pic....lol
Remember the wise words which were taught to all Huang Chao singers... buyers beware.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:28 PM
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Really la, xiami watsapp, weixin, qq, ebuddy all i oso buay hiao.
Dun believe ask LDH or flower king lor, i only got 1 phone since 4yrs ago till now & its a nokia8800 really trust me trust me trust trust me la hehehehe
KNN, my phones were pass me down from my ex-singer mistresses... I cannot even afford a 2002 NK6110.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:41 PM
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Remember the wise words which were taught to all Huang Chao singers... buyers beware.
Nevermind la, she think I no money and bo heed me anyway haha
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Actually now after i refresh my mind on wat u mentioned in ur earlier post about her, it kinda adds up.
Now u better make sure u fark her until ur cock sore n her CB explodes in ur face wif her orgasmic juices!
My CON JOB alarms r ringing bro!!!!!!!!!
Already remitted, so no going back. It's a small amount for settling medical expenses incurred by her mother.
She brought me to he hospital to visit her mum, when I was there recently.
While I would love to bed her, I also really wanted to help her.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:22 AM
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Prince no money, people already say Prince bankrupt so let it be....
Prince LDH no $$$$ then who got $$$$
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Wow! Expert wor you. Now you make me wonder if my ex did all those!
How do you and can you make a girl to be sexually addicted and to you only???!
Hi Sis Ladyrain,

Ths for ur post n welcome to the thread. You hv struck a chord...

I presume that you're a biological female, a 女人。

Me no expert...I'm a mere trainee, working diligently to improve myself n improve others..

If you r wondering abt ur ex, you hv never been sexually addicted to him. You may even hv loved him a lot at one time, but never sexually addicted. Period.

How do I make a gal sexually addicted to me n only me? Very difficult.

I hv been learning n training to get my type of chio SYTs sexually addicted to me in the last several yrs. My motivation was my abject failures n intense frustrations in my RS w/ chio women in the past. Then I started reading everything I could find n putting those techniques n strategies into practice. I leave no stone unturned. There is no bigger challenge to me as I'm a lao chi ko pek. The results r astounding, to put it mildly, n how I wish I knew abt all this when I was a teenager.

Back to ur question on the how...the ONLY way IS to give a gal sexual pleasure she has never experienced w/ any other men in her entire life. The pleasure must be 3-5X more intense n the duration 5-10X more prolonged than she has ever experienced.

By making love to her mind, body n heart, which is a continuous daily process, hahaha. You can glean quite a bit of how a man can do that by reading the previous posts on this thread.

But sexual addiction will take time, perhaps at least 2-3 months, depending on the individual.

There r 6 keys:

1) You need to trust your man completely

2) You must be very relaxed when you're w/ him

3) You must truly believe that u hv vast untapped orgasmic potential (otherwise, all the mental n mechanical techniques in the world will be futile)

4) Your lover must be focused on giving u pleasure u never had before, while willing to delay his own...

5) Your man must know the different types of orgasm n ALL the techniques n he must find the one or several optimal triggers that send u into orbit, by trial n error n w/ guidance from u, which will take time...

And last but not least, 6) he must link all your oxytocin surges n intense/prolonged pleasure to HIM n only HIM.

Of course I'm assuming that you're a mentally, psychologically n physically healthy, heterosexual female. Otherwise, He will fail even if he is a sex god.

Comments?

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Chairman,
Thanks for the reminder.
She is having a small financial difficulty.
........
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WOW, hope you hooked her by her cunt this round hehehehehe.
Dun forget to FR FR FR all the best dude...
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Hmmm, I wonder what will our hfj expert bro dybj say about that, singers are ultimate actresses....
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I will laugh when i see these PRC WLs cry cos i know they practicing for golden horse award.
But what doesn't fool you doesn't mean it doesn't fool some ....................
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Yes Bro, but sometimes even if abalone, eat everyday also sian, so your arrangement of a BY with the occasional ST is good!!!
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Actually now after i refresh my mind on wat u mentioned in ur earlier post about her, it kinda adds up............................
My CON JOB alarms r ringing bro!!!!!!!!!
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hehehe wise words are no words, I really interested in this huang chao singer how? why you no whatsapp I send you her pic....lol
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Me retired dun ask or tell me
Look for the Prince
No money to buy good phone how to use watsapp, i only have 8800
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You let me pump I buy you iphone.....wahhahaha
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Sorry i not trend follower
I nokia man
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I think nokia can also download whatsapp if I am not wrong...
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Nokia8800 cheap cheap phone cannot do anything except sms & mms.
...............
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Mai Kay Siao la, must be your slut phone like my friends use lousy 2nd phone for sluts....
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Really la, xiami watsapp, weixin, qq, ebuddy all i oso buay hiao.
Dun believe ask LDH or flower king lor........................
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I was like you bro, very sturborn, stuck with nokia for so many years...............but if I change to higher range joints like LP I may suddenly realised there is another class of women!
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Oh sorry i didn't know.
Anyway, like i mentioned, Iphone poory poor me cannot afford, let alone Panda brand phone.
So LL lor, stick to my super el cheapo nokia8800
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fashion fades..........................
A mid range KTV Girl walks beside you and immediately they are perceived as the higher range one, cause no one believes lower level would be able to even walk near u....
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Prince no money, people already say Prince bankrupt so let it be....
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Remember the wise words which were taught to all Huang Chao singers... buyers beware....
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KNN, my phones were pass me down from my ex-singer mistresses... I cannot even afford a 2002 NK6110.
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Nevermind la, she think I no money and bo heed me anyway haha
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Already remitted, so no going back. It's a small amount for settling medical expenses incurred by her mother.
She brought me to he hospital to visit her mum....................
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Prince LDH no $$$$ then who got $$$$
Good morning to all the esteemed bros,

Your posts r invigorating n give life n colour to this thread. Thank you all! Keep them coming...

Just a few comments here.

I usually like to spend the least, keep the friction cost to the minimal, before getting the abalone of my type. It's like value investing.

Using a Wechat n QQ to keep in touch w/ MMs in SG n overseas actually saves me hundreds of dollars each month. So a smartphone is a valuable n cost effective nvestment. BTW, I hv over 110 QQ 'good frens' n there r days when I exchange text n voice msg w/ 20 of them in a 12 hr period. I hv refused to spend $0.99 to download Watsapp.

Cheers!

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Yup, I find QQ and WX very useful, I even have girls from China asking me about things! Some even msg me when they need money!
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Yup, I find QQ and WX very useful, I even have girls from China asking me about things! Some even msg me when they need money!
2 things need some frenly advice-

1) tried as I did, i cannot find e posts which bro warbird n some other bros talked abt alpha male dominance. Will b great if that article can be posted again. Ya I noe, some will say i lazy but 700+ pgs hahahaha

2) I installed weixin n qq but e contact of chabos dun come le. What am I missing.. Except for e few I met in dm n cd
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2 things need some frenly advice-

1) tried as I did, i cannot find e posts which bro warbird n some other bros talked abt alpha male dominance. Will b great if that article can be posted again. Ya I noe, some will say i lazy but 700+ pgs hahahaha

2) I installed weixin n qq but e contact of chabos dun come le. What am I missing.. Except for e few I met in dm n cd
You must put those photo of you machiam like professional like dat and act machiam you are a rich man, as for the post on alpha male dominance I think there are many here, if you can't read them all, just scroll though a few pages first but I will leave it to the guru Bro WB to advise you.
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You must put those photo of you machiam like professional like dat and act machiam you are a rich man, as for the post on alpha male dominance I think there are many here, if you can't read them all, just scroll though a few pages first but I will leave it to the guru Bro WB to advise you.
Hahahaha, ok got u bro. Thx!
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