Finally There is Hope (HIV & Other Diseases)

[Brinjal]

gentlemen, I've been referred to this thread by a friend.

All in all, I must have scoured thru thousands of pages and went to numerous doctors seeking a cure for my brother who is suffering from an advanced stage of nasal cancer. From western doctors, specialists to Chinese Physicians, Oncologists and even Faith Healers.

Instead of reading between these scientific lines, may I respectfully asked for some spoonfeeding help here.

Does this TF thingy helps in cancer and what kind of costs are we looking at here ?

All help is much appreciated.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by Brinjal

gentlemen, I've been referred to this thread by a friend.

All in all, I must have scoured thru thousands of pages and went to numerous doctors seeking a cure for my brother who is suffering from an advanced stage of nasal cancer. From western doctors, specialists to Chinese Physicians, Oncologists and even Faith Healers.

Instead of reading between these scientific lines, may I respectfully asked for some spoonfeeding help here.

Does this TF thingy helps in cancer and what kind of costs are we looking at here ?

All help is much appreciated.

Bro,this is a sex forum so I'll not spend too much time on this.

In a nushell, there is no 100% in anything. Even if you go for circumcision, there is still a small percentage that the simple ops may go wrong.

But the fact is TF has been used and tested by many and it has help our own body system which God created, to fight off many diseases.

Personally, I have seen cases of terminal cancer being cured by just using TF. And personally, til date, I have not seen a single case of anyone being cured of cancer by going for chemo and radiation theraphy. I'm not saying there aren't, just that I have not seen it.

If you like, I can always email to you the Article I compiled on TF if you PM me your email and the rest is up to you.

Cheers
Tee Vee

[Flinger2]

Hello People,

This is what we call conspiracy theory.

Anyway, my opinion is don't believe anything anyone says.

It might be the truth or it might be a lie.

Do your own research, do your own evaluation, call up the authorities if needed.

Becoz, in the end, whether you believe, it is the truth or a lie, you will be the one facing the consequences of the decision. So, you better know what you are doing and don't do it blindly.

Thats all folks.

Later

Flinger 2

[samfan]

For 1:
Thaivisitor may be overreacting on my intentions. I did not mean to defame, claim, or otherwise discredit whatsoever howsoever with my messages. What I intended to do is to provide an additional avenue for folks who decides to investigate TF for themselves.

For 2:
I agree on what Flinger2 mentioned.
Conspiracies theories are aplenty. It is just impossible to keep up with them. I remembered the ones from the early 90s that HIV was a non-existent virus, or one that was created by the US to wipe out the African race. Do a net search, a whole lot of data will show up.

For 3:
No, I do not participate in any kind of MLM ventures, nor do I intend to participate in one in the future.

[samfan]

In addition, I find it rather odd that such a powerful product is being marketed through MLM, and not through the traditional means. Thaivisitor mentioned that because 4life is a MLM company, that explains why they can’t market it as a drug. That is a ridiculous hypothesis. If TF is really capable of what it currently claims to do (as a dietary supplement), then they shouldn’t worry if they could setup another subsidiary (being a global mnc) dealing specifically with pharmaceuticals, to market the wonder drug to pharmacies and doctors –which incidentally would generate much more revenue then they can ever dream of.

Another thing, someone mentioned that TF is registered and approved around the world and even used in Eastern European hospitals. But under what kind of clinical conditions?
Are they using it as a dietary supplement, or as a drug capable of its claims?

HSA like the FDA does not regulate dietary supplements. They do not concern themselves with the claims made, but only with the ingredients and its adverse reactions. Which was why the SLIM10 saga surfaced. They tested the initial batches and found them to contain only safe herbal ingredients, so they let it pass without regards to their effectiveness. But somehow some additional liver damaging chemicals crept in and caused the lost of an innocent life; and much heartache.

Again, I’ll reiterate that I’m not here to condemn or condone any kind of activities. But to encourage interested individuals to conduct their on research first, before coming to any conclusions. It is your health; so you better be responsible for it.

SamFan

[coolmanks]

Yes, both Nuskin and DBS bank are (very) shady.

[QUOTE=thaivisitor]I'm not an expert at the history and integrity of a company.

As I understood, NuSkin has also lost a court case before and has to pay out millions. Does that makes NuSkin shady?

Also DBS lost a claim against a teacher for a default credit card payment case and the court instructed DBS to pay damages, etc. So DBS is also a shady bank?

[badboyxtreme]

Well anyway, before i joined 4life Research, i did my own personal study on TF. Every website that i went into, i could not find any fault with TF. Unlike the other supplementary products, so mjany scams. I was very skeptical initially but after 2 years over the research in internet, i could find only 1 casewatch as put forward by Samfan and that was also for re-classification of TF.

Why i became intrigued?
Last year, i was hospitalised for Diabetes, Food Poisoning and Dengue. Remarkably, i was introduced to TF by my sister 2 years ago but never believed in it. She visited me, brought me a bottle and Walla, she gave me a bottle on the 5th day, my blood platelets had dropped from 150 - 42 and on the 6th day, they rose up again to 150. Doctors were amazed how fast the dengue virus was eradicated from my body. Then i realised my pain in my legs was gone. I suffer from Neuropathy and pain like shit in both legs and loss of sensation. The pain was gone within 48 hrs and the sensations came back.

I became a strong believer in TF. To date I have helped quite a lot of friends and lately my friend's mother an 85 year old lady, half comatose and tube fed, woke up after a week on TF thru feeding tube. My friend is a doctor and now he has become a strong believer in TF. Most of our doctors downline are Singapore doctors. They are not interested in Testimonies but rather Scientific Facts and when we show them our 3500 ++ clinical abstracts, they are simply blown apart.

As for Brother Brinjal's query, TF has been most successfully used for Cancer Patients. Dr Darryl See from WHO treated 20 Stage 4 cancer patients who had a prognosis of only 3.7 months. Out of which 16 went into remission. Tests with TF have been more successful than Interleukin 2, the most powerful drug presently used for treatment of Cancer.

In fact next Monday, we have a Doctor giving a talk about TF at 8pm in Singapore. If you want to find out more, gimme a call brother, i will introduce the doctor to you and you may ask hims questions.

Cheers

I will message you my contact.

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by samfan

For 1:
Thaivisitor may be overreacting on my intentions. I did not mean to defame, claim, or otherwise discredit whatsoever howsoever with my messages. What I intended to do is to provide an additional avenue for folks who decides to investigate TF for themselves.

Bro, I'm not overreacting. Read what you posted and tell me again there was no intention of malice and that you were providing additional avenue.

"However I need to DISAGREE and mention the following:

a. 4 Life Research (the company behind TF) is a company with a shady past. Records shows that they have received warnings from the US Food & Drug Administration (equivalent to Singapore's Health Science Authority), for making therapeutic claims for their products. One example can be seen at: http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/...04/4life.shtml

Since then, 4 Life Research has taken down their corporate website, and any other online stores currently selling TF are "independent vendors". Looks like 4LR are in hibernation mode...wonder why?"

"That goes as much as credibility applies.

The current TF website does not provide retailing and/or product information, which is rather curious. Perhaps evading further FDA lawsuits? The other one which SELLS the product seems to be hosted at CJB.NET. Why would a reliable company use a free web host, when they are turning in millions for their miracle "drug"?"

"Hope this helps educate you on your options, and how not to be the victims of unscrupulous merchants."

Do tell, what were your underlying messages when you posted in such a manner?

Tee Vee

[samfan]

Thanks to an un-named Bro for upping me...appreciate the gesture.

There always will be differing opinions in medical practices.
So, it comes as no surprise that a group of doctors may support the use of certain products, and another group opposes it. And, still some will say that "present available research statistics are not yet conclusive", thus taking a neutral stance.

No matter, it is always good to take the advice of our very own HSA:
HSA Consumer Advisory

Best of luck!

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by samfan

In addition, I find it rather odd that such a powerful product is being marketed through MLM, and not through the traditional means. Thaivisitor mentioned that because 4life is a MLM company, that explains why they can’t market it as a drug. That is a ridiculous hypothesis. If TF is really capable of what it currently claims to do (as a dietary supplement), then they shouldn’t worry if they could setup another subsidiary (being a global mnc) dealing specifically with pharmaceuticals, to market the wonder drug to pharmacies and doctors –which incidentally would generate much more revenue then they can ever dream of.
SamFan

This is not a ridulous hypothesis. It's a basic fact which I thought you would know being so intelligent enough to be able to search for other "facts" and "materials" to impress others on your knowledge.

Unless you are a marketing guru, then I cannot argue with you on the best methods of marketing their products. I'm sure you are, since you are so certain as to amount of revenue that the company could generate thru means other than MLM. Then why don't you offer your services to the company?

At the same time, why don't you also offer your services to NuSkin, who bought over Pharmanex, pull all the products off the shelf and market them thru MLM too?

And companies like Morinda which their users swear by it that their Noni Juice has also helped to cure certain illnesses. With your expertise and confidence that the company would generate much more revenue that what it is doing now, why don't you also offer your services?

I seriously didn't know all the marketing directors and experts are so lame that they thought their methods are best for their company. They should glad to have you around and you could be a billionaire overnight.

Cheers
Tee Vee

[thaivisitor]

Originally Posted by badboyxtreme

Well anyway, before i joined 4life Research, i did my own personal study on TF. Every website that i went into, i could not find any fault with TF. Unlike the other supplementary products, so mjany scams. I was very skeptical initially but after 2 years over the research in internet, i could find only 1 casewatch as put forward by Samfan and that was also for re-classification of TF.
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I can understand your "loyalty" to the company of which you are a distributor.

But your statement which I highlighted in bold appears to me that you are "putting down" other companies and their products to champion your company. I think that's unethical business.

Care to state a few of the other so called products with so many scams and not just make a generalized statement? Some facts to back up your statement will lend more to your credentials.

Cheers
Tee Vee

[samfan]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

...4 Life Research (the company behind TF) is a company with a shady past.

Looks like 4LR are in hibernation mode...wonder why?

...That goes as much as credibility applies.

...Perhaps evading further FDA lawsuits?

...unscrupulous merchants."

Here is a breakdown of an analysis of the following words:

Shady past:
The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as "Of dubious character or honesty; questionable." I'm more of in a position of questioning the origins and claims as made of 4life'sproduct. Does this defame 4life? It's very subjective. Can't anyone have any question about a company?

Looks like 4LR are in hibernation mode...wonder why?:
That is a question. I wonder why have they closed down their original website that was discovered by the US FDA and relocated else where. It may just be a business decision. But is it defamation to ask?

That goes as much as credibility applies.:
The American Heritage Dictionary defines credibility as "The quality, capability, or power to elicit belief". Does a lawsuit filed by the FDA against 4life not damaging to her image? That is a personal comment. I admit that I may have used harsh words, but isn't it a logical conclusion from the above scenario?

...Perhaps evading further FDA lawsuits?:
Now this is a hypothesis. You have made one. Do I not have a privilege to do so as well? I don't see it as defamatory, but rather questioning.

...unscrupulous merchants:
The whole sentence was "Hope this helps educate you on your options and how not to be the victims of unscrupulous merchants". I did not mention the criteria for being labelled as an unscrupulous merchant. Nor did I specify that 4life may be considered one. So where is the defamation?

If you are taking it personally, I can only apologies. But I believe that every person is entitled to his/her own opinions. And by starting such a discussion publicly in a forum like this, there is no reason why anyone couldn't disagree.

Hope that clears matter up.

[thaivisitor]

Finally I want to add.

I'm not taking sides in any of the posts. But I feel that postings, in such cases, should be fair and non-bias especially if you want to present options to the readers here to make judgements themselves. Fair enough if you post your experiences and preferences for certain companies and/or products and whatever.

If my above posts offended anyone, like bro Samfan, it is not intended to do so. Yes, they way I post may be a bit sarcastic, but the underlying message is there.

Anyway, life goes on.

Cheers
Tee Vee

[samfan]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

This is not a ridulous hypothesis. It's a basic fact which I thought you would know being so intelligent enough to be able to search for other "facts" and "materials" to impress others on your knowledge.

Unless you are a marketing guru, then I cannot argue with you on the best methods of marketing their products. I'm sure you are, since you are so certain as to amount of revenue that the company could generate thru means other than MLM. Then why don't you offer your services to the company?

At the same time, why don't you also offer your services to NuSkin, who bought over Pharmanex, pull all the products off the shelf and market them thru MLM too?

I know of and do have close relationships (work or otherwise) with pro-MLM folks like you. I can understand your views and respect them truthfully.
However, as mentioned previously, I do not participate, nor do I intend to participate in any MLM ventures now or in the future. Why would I not, or why I should is irrelevant here.

Why MLM is far superior (or so I read) than traditional mediums? Why is that so? Why shouldn't traditional marketing methodologies be superior to MLM's methodology? That's a whole thesis by itself. There is also tons of information available off the net to substantiate my opinion. However that's irrelevant here too. So I rather not venture there.

My real concern here is why instead of concentrating on the benefits of TF, are you now geared up towards defending your choice of business models? That really puzzles me.

SamFan

[samfan]

Originally Posted by thaivisitor

Finally I want to add.
...If my above posts offended anyone, like bro Samfan, it is not intended to do so. Yes, they way I post may be a bit sarcastic, but the underlying message is there.

No it does not offend. But it's rather an intellectual debate....whatever.
Anyway, it's an ongoing phenomenon since the rise of MLM in the market place, so it shouldn't surprise anyone.

As a forum dedicated to sexual health, our concern are for the welfare of fellow Samsters. So our little dicussions bias or otherwise (it's impossible to be 100% non bias), should serve to educate and inform fellow forumers as to the ways in which they may (and need to) research their own conclusions.

To everyone his own,
SamFan