Lets have SOP when we get caught in raid

[myjuice]

upgrade to Cat I lah. Every year go DSC for what?

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by myjuice

Before a raid, do you know that they have to do a lot of paperwork?

Of course, they have to send a recee team to verify, submit report to their head to start a case and get a warrant permit as well as meeting for raid before they execute.

But the problem is, we have seen too many cases of failed operations on illegal beauty salons and too many "successes" in legal massage establishments, because, licensing has the right to stop the operation of licensed ME but they can do nothing to illegal beauty salons operating as massage establishments. I have seen my fair share of licensed joints doing HJ being shut while illegal beauty salons doing FJ being raided and yet open again the next days and continue to do so for months.

So, what the heck are the anti vice doing? sleeping or corrupted?

Anyway, this forum is for us bros to protect ourselves.

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by myjuice

upgrade to Cat I lah. Every year go DSC for what?

CAT 1 also must got to DSC lor. need 1000 sq feet of area, subjected to cash trust and AV raids. No difference. Only difference is CAT 1 can employ foreigners.

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by myjuice

Boss, if you admit, you will only get called up as a witness if the girl denies that she offered any services. If she admits then you will not be called as a witness.

This is a case by case issue, not the answer to all. I have my fair share of experience being caught in the raid. The Av force the gal to admit and also force me to admit. I insist on seeing what is written on my statement before I move away.

Originally Posted by myjuice

More often than not, the girl will cum clean with what she did, unless she thinks she can get away with it ie her customer will protect her

My advice is is to come clean or else you will land in lots of potential trouble.

Sg girls caught at most got record, if working in legal cat 1 or cat 2 ME, then employee registration will be revoked, that's all. And she can never, ever work in this line again (legally that is).

The bottomline is not about finding effort to close down massage joints or illegal beauty salons. You have not provided info on what happens to operators or gals in illegal beauty salons. No answer, yah?

For us bros, we want to continue to patron our gals in our favourite Massage establishment. We want to protect our rights so as not to be abused by the anti vice officers who really need to redo their officer course. This is not Hong Kong in 1960s era with gangster police. This is Singapore.

Originally Posted by myjuice

Pr girls caught will have trouble renewing their pr. Non citizens caught will be sent home. Operators on the other hand will have their licenses revoked and fined. $500 for first offense and subsequent charges attract $1000 each.

If operator knowingly operates a "prostitution ring". He is also liable to be fined AND jailed.

Last word, customers caught in the act, worse case is to called up to act as witness. Best case is to give statement and then FO.

Best of luck

My word of advice is if you admit, then you are in for trouble. Your name will also be in the record.

If you deny and insist you are there for massage, and if the officer try to act funny force you to admit, then you ask for his ID.

If you go to illegal beauty salons and go for massage, just say you are there for massage and let the officers do the necessary with the operator.

As long as if you do not admit to any sexual favours if you are not caught, you will not be in the record and you will not be called as witness.

Simply put, just act blur and insist you are there for massage. If the officer put words in to the gals mouth and say that the girl admitted that she offer services, if you have not started the services or have completed the services with no evidence, you are not obliged to admit anything and just say nothing is done.

If you are caught in the act with her naked, then just too bad. Otherwise, you should be wise and street smart to know what to do.

Always remember, you will be nervous when they come in. They follow the concept of bullying you in numbers. Take your time to change, breath in, and always remember that THEY ARE YOUR PUBLIC SERVANT. You will feel less nervous. You have the power to complain against them that they "grill you" unnecessary in the midst of your paid session of massage and disrupt your therapy, and these jokers can forget about theiir promotions.

[bullterrier]

Simply Put.

After you have finish your Fj or HJ, evidence removed and they barged in, I do not think you will be silly to admit.

Before any Fj or Hj is done and they barged in, I do not think you will be silly so say she offer sexual services.

If you get caught in the midst of FJ, then too bad. Rather go Geylang.

If you admit, especially after a FJ, it is not as simple as writing a statement and you Fuck off. Try it if you think otherwise lor.


It seems like Av is getting involved in this thread.

This being the case, the more we should share and make them know what they are doing and how they should behave. Better still, Sin Min and Zaobao also read this thread and see how our "clean" enforcement team do their jobs, in the Hong Kong 1960s era style.

[bullterrier]

If you ask me, yes, I hate the Anti Vice and the enforcement officers, and I am sure many bros share the same sentiments. KNN, we pay their salary and yet they act like gangsters.

[myjuice]

Originally Posted by bullterrier

CAT 1 also must got to DSC lor. need 1000 sq feet of area, subjected to cash trust and AV raids. No difference. Only difference is CAT 1 can employ foreigners.

Bro, Cat 1 no need go DSC lah....

Also, either 100sqm or 2 yrs lease (meaning no need to meet 100sqm but is of course preferable). Casetrust is mandatory.

Best Regards

[myjuice]

Originally Posted by bullterrier

The bottomline is not about finding effort to close down massage joints or illegal beauty salons. You have not provided info on what happens to operators or gals in illegal beauty salons. No answer, yah?

Boss... same punishment will be meted out to illegal operators -as for operators in the legal joints who have breached the licensing conditions. Except that PLRD cannot revoke the license of the illegal joint or their gals.... because they have none in the first place (or already revoked long ago!) Hahaha

Best Regards

[Criminalz]

Ok, while i understand av also have job and report to do but technique is rather lacking. Basically, dun admit anything. And never ever act hero and say the girl is ur gf,the trouble involved is ridiculous.

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by Criminalz

Ok, while i understand av also have job and report to do but technique is rather lacking. Basically, dun admit anything. And never ever act hero and say the girl is ur gf,the trouble involved is ridiculous.

haha, good one. definitely do not say the WL is your girlfriend or "wife".

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by myjuice

Boss... same punishment will be meted out to illegal operators -as for operators in the legal joints who have breached the licensing conditions. Except that PLRD cannot revoke the license of the illegal joint or their gals.... because they have none in the first place (or already revoked long ago!) Hahaha

Best Regards

haha, looks like beauty salons easier to operate than massage establishment. get caught oso never mind.



what a stupid system they have

[ang076]

You cannot say we pay their salary .

Triad leaders also pay taxes, and can accuse police of being disrespectful to them?

Beauty saloons must be discreet , bros here cannot openly post thread talking about XXXXX beauty saloon, or XXXX beauty spa, and beautician doing FJ,etc. like we all did in the past , For example, Lexon Health Spa, or Dragon Spa, Bugis Health Centre... got masseues .

This irked clean massage industry, who initiated the actions against HCs who tarnished the image of massage therapists.

We should change our way of writing FRs, and dont reveal any hints of locations and name of gals and their professions.

[Max77]

take deep breathes, look softly at the io right eye when u reply (dont stare) and dont look away until he give up. if he stare, u blink a little but continue looking at his right eye.

everything else depend on situation but i would still say, dont admit to anything illegal if u still have the slightest chance. almost all man are borned talented liars. think for at least 5secs before u answer anything u felt tricky.

Jay Chou takes approx 30sec to answer an direct question indirectly.

nowaday io wont act like rude ah beng anymore.

[bullterrier]

Originally Posted by Max77

take deep breathes, look softly at the io right eye when u reply (dont stare) and dont look away until he give up. if he stare, u blink a little but continue looking at his right eye.

everything else depend on situation but i would still say, dont admit to anything illegal if u still have the slightest chance. almost all man are borned talented liars. think for at least 5secs before u answer anything u felt tricky.

Jay Chou takes approx 30sec to answer an direct question indirectly.

nowaday io wont act like rude ah beng anymore.

Good psychological tactics

[bullterrier]

KNN, some bro here zap me with this comment when I first started the thread
"Think U r smart? Funny Retard guy"

Thks to many bros who help to uppz me.

We are not trying to be smart or what. We must know our rights and not be confused, especially by samsters who are AV impersonators who try to smoke us.

We shall continue to keep this thread alife with more case studies.

Bros who got "raided" pls feel free to share your experiences and we work out ways to counter them.