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Old 22-11-2012, 11:03 AM
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Re: GL 150cats FRs list

This Xiaojing WH1619 is not too bad in looks and body wise, a tanned demure looking syt.

But service is a bit green. Worth a try though if you like her looks. When I tried her, she also asked me to post an FR on her here. And that was on her first week of work I believe. This girl seems to know how to promote herself but she's definitely not ang pai material, more like those quiet and simple sort that appeals to a smaller audience.

Maybe I will rtf soon to see if she's improved service wise, as I quite like her syt body....

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Went L16H19 and tried out this girl. She is average height, slim body and nice proportion; big eyes and sharp facial features.

She first offered me a nice and slow soapy massage mainly using her boobs on a water bed. When flipped over, she slowly massaged my didi using her boobs, then, her pussy. wow.

Catbatch was nice and slow. BBBJ was shiok with a lot of licking and sucking. While in the 69 position I could see her pussy get damn wet. After a while she told me that she is damn horny and asked me to fuck her now. Put on cap and started with cowboy.. then reverse cowboy,doggy, and finished off in missionary. A lot of moaning and she screamed towards the end.

She is new and asked me to leave her number here. Bros interested can just call her before you reach.

Name: Xiao Jing (小静)
HP: 9056 6539

Height: 163cm
Weight 45kg
Boobs: 36C
Look: 8/10
Catbath: 7/10
69: Never try but she can do it
BBBJ: 8/9 good suction, nice and wet
FJ: 9/10 damn wet, damn horny
RTF: yes
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Old 22-11-2012, 12:54 PM
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Smile Xiu Xiu(1612)

First off hv to credit ct12343 for first recommending Xiu Xiu to me!...oh yes n to doomas for the initial fr!....

On her looks...well to me she looks like a fair, sultry, alluring, bitchy milf, wif gd ht...

Body wise...joker88's description is abt correct...personally hv to say she looks better wif her clothes on...

Sex svc is v gd n gfe is also v gd n passionate, well to me at least...surprised tat kiko said she only did bj though, becuz wif me it was bbbj wet n wild...

overall i had a gd time wif Xiu Xiu but hv not rtf becuz just too many other darlings ahead of her plus a never ending list of newbies tat i wish to try...

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Well, I bonked her few times but may not be good enuf to qualify as regulars.
I choose her becos of her attitude and personality as I mentioned earlier.
I like her company and good height. I am just stating the facts.

I think her looks is not stunning if you compare to Candy, Cong Cong or even Si Ling, right?
I am not particular abt looks of WLs if you know me well.
Bros like Omnia, BG, ct12343 knows well.
So I choose her not becos of her looks lah.
Having said this, I still maintain that her looks is not more than 7 categorically.

What I mentioned abt her body and bum are facts that everyone can verify that they are true if you see her in person.
The fact is that her bum is small compared to majority of WLs in GL who have bigger bums. You dun agree?

I did not say that her svc is poor but to classify as very good requires some real stuff, right?
I mean in comparison to others who are really tip top in svc like Nana (1803), ShunZhi (1654A), Lulu (1654A), etc.
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Old 22-11-2012, 01:03 PM
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Hiya buddy....long time never hear fm u leh, hope u doing well...aiyoh u want recommendation, just pm me lah...

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Re: GL 150cats FRs list

FR for WH1612 Lulu


Wanted to find 1654A Lulu but she is always fully booked. Thus make my way to Yi Tiao Long WH1612 to find another Lulu as recommended by bros here.


Look 8/10 (foxy and cute MILF look, i love her eyes)

Body 6.5/10 (slightly bah-bah, i prefer slim type like 0819 Xiaoya)

Boobs 9.5/10 (C cup and pink big nipple, love to caress and suck them)

Body Massage 9/10 ( Very sensual and shiok to feel her soft boobs rubbing)

Cathbath 8/10 ( great use of her tongue and cover most parts of body)

Kissing 7.5/10 ( passionate but not the commando type like ex 1654A Jenny)

BBBJ 9/10 ( around 10 mins with great speed/power plus hot/cold, nearly CIM)

FJ 7/10 (her bbbj too good so cannot last long in cowgirl)

Attitude 9/10 ( very chatty, always smiling)
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Old 22-11-2012, 01:58 PM
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Re: GL 150cats FRs list

Good to hear that you've enjoyed one of my top picks bro

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FR for WH1612 Lulu


Wanted to find 1654A Lulu but she is always fully booked. Thus make my way to Yi Tiao Long WH1612 to find another Lulu as recommended by bros here.


Look 8/10 (foxy and cute MILF look, i love her eyes)

Body 6.5/10 (slightly bah-bah, i prefer slim type like 0819 Xiaoya)

Boobs 9.5/10 (C cup and pink big nipple, love to caress and suck them)

Body Massage 9/10 ( Very sensual and shiok to feel her soft boobs rubbing)

Cathbath 8/10 ( great use of her tongue and cover most parts of body)

Kissing 7.5/10 ( passionate but not the commando type like ex 1654A Jenny)

BBBJ 9/10 ( around 10 mins with great speed/power plus hot/cold, nearly CIM)

FJ 7/10 (her bbbj too good so cannot last long in cowgirl)

Attitude 9/10 ( very chatty, always smiling)
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Waaaaaaa Glad you enjoyed yummy MILF TAI TAI LuLu 16w12
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Old 22-11-2012, 02:25 PM
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Thumbs up Xingyu(2038)

Xingyu(2038)...22 yr old mm fm Guangxi...fair pretty kawaii syt, looks young, normally i dont like fake eyelashes worn by the mms but on Xingyu they looked nice!...oh yes, she does indeed look abit like the younger version of retired Xiao Bu Dian(16W06)!...on the petite small side 158-160cm ht, quite slim curvy bod, nice perky C cup boobs wif 20 cent pink areola tits...juicy perky ass...lovely fresh pink pussy, well trimmed wif no smell...oh yes also luved her sexy stylish red coloured nail art pedicure!...

Overall v gd sex svc n v gd gfe...fun bubbly vivacious mm who cums across as a genuine character...

Helped me to undress wif some light chit chat n jokes, then hugged her bod n lifted up her dress to squeeze her juicy ass enjoying tge side mirror effect, while doing so light kissing tat followed on to light frenching, nice prequel!...

Shower action: soapy raba front n bk was enjoyable as her big perky boobs felt gd on me bod n skin...fondled her fm behind n while squeezing her soapy boobs, rubbed me cock on her ass, grazing on her neck n then turned her head ard to french lightly nice!...she then squatted to give me a quick soapy boob fuck followed by bbbj lick n suck which was gd...eyecontact was v gd...

Bed action: was feeling v relaxed wif Xingyu so did not bother to lie on me belly first, instead lay on me bk n took her in my arms v nice bod n pussy feel wif her on top of me while we gently frenched...she then did abit of a boobs massage on me chest, groin n legs...light catbath, followed by a pleasurable ar wif me legs raised...she did ar wif a soft slow wet lick motion n looked up at me at times...ar was done facing me n sideways as well...shiok made more shiok wif mirror effect!...

then lick n suck of me balls followed by licking of me shaft n a long slurpy bbbj which was gd wif nice eyecontact...to make it more exciting i stood up n got her to kneel on the bed while she continued to blow, me lifting her hair up n looked into her eyes, at times both of us enjoying the side mirror effect n at times me taking out me throbbing cock n slapping her cheeks wif it, looking deep into her eyes

My turn to take over, went down south to do me tonguefu...really enjoyed myself as Xingyu has a lovely fresh pink slit pussy...gave her a gd tonguelashing, nice moans wif her hands caressing me face...after getting her wet, moved up to fondle, squeeze, knead n suck on those lovely C cup boobs n pink tits while she moaned n caressed me back, shiok!...

fj vgd as she has a gd bod feel n is accommodative...spooning sideways, lifted one of her legs up n pounded while squeezing one of her boobs n light frenching further enhanced by side mirror effect...asian cowgal n cowgal wif me squeezing her boobs followed by me fav flip as she is light n small...doggie alternated between squeezing her boobs n squeezing her ass while pounding n she reaching out one of her hands to grip me hand on her ass, accentuated by mirror effect...foldable chair wif her ass on the edge of the bed, legs wrapped ard me waist, hands gripping me neck n back, while i pounded, cld c her neck n boobs n face flush, finally frenched passionately while i shot me load...ended wif cuddling, chit chat n abit more frenching...

Overall i had an enjoyable time wif Xingyu...think gd chemistry between me n her...friendly fun genuine personality/character...definite gem......many tks to Fat Fatt for the recommendation...
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Old 22-11-2012, 03:37 PM
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Re: Xingyu(2038)

Bro Omnia,

What on earth took you so damn long to get to Xingyu 2038 when I've been talking about her almost every week and placing her in my rankings as high as number 2 since more than two months ago as early as the first week of September???

Xingyu's rise to number 2 in my rankings on 7 Sept: http://sammyreviews.store/showpos...&postcount=550

You a bit lag leh...

Then, never say "kumsia" to me some more .... hehehehe

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Xingyu(2038)...22 yr old mm fm Guangxi...fair pretty kawaii syt, looks young, normally i dont like fake eyelashes worn by the mms but on Xingyu they looked nice!...oh yes, she does indeed look abit like the younger version of retired Xiao Bu Dian(16W06)!...on the petite small side 158-160cm ht, quite slim curvy bod, nice perky C cup boobs wif 20 cent pink areola tits...juicy perky ass...lovely fresh pink pussy, well trimmed wif no smell...oh yes also luved her sexy stylish red coloured nail art pedicure!...

Overall v gd sex svc n v gd gfe...fun bubbly vivacious mm who cums across as a genuine character...

Helped me to undress wif some light chit chat n jokes, then hugged her bod n lifted up her dress to squeeze her juicy ass enjoying tge side mirror effect, while doing so light kissing tat followed on to light frenching, nice prequel!...

Shower action: soapy raba front n bk was enjoyable as her big perky boobs felt gd on me bod n skin...fondled her fm behind n while squeezing her soapy boobs, rubbed me cock on her ass, grazing on her neck n then turned her head ard to french lightly nice!...she then squatted to give me a quick soapy boob fuck followed by bbbj lick n suck which was gd...eyecontact was v gd...

Bed action: was feeling v relaxed wif Xingyu so did not bother to lie on me belly first, instead lay on me bk n took her in my arms v nice bod n pussy feel wif her on top of me while we gently frenched...she then did abit of a boobs massage on me chest, groin n legs...light catbath, followed by a pleasurable ar wif me legs raised...she did ar wif a soft slow wet lick motion n looked up at me at times...ar was done facing me n sideways as well...shiok made more shiok wif mirror effect!...

then lick n suck of me balls followed by licking of me shaft n a long slurpy bbbj which was gd wif nice eyecontact...to make it more exciting i stood up n got her to kneel on the bed while she continued to blow, me lifting her hair up n looked into her eyes, at times both of us enjoying the side mirror effect n at times me taking out me throbbing cock n slapping her cheeks wif it, looking deep into her eyes

My turn to take over, went down south to do me tonguefu...really enjoyed myself as Xingyu has a lovely fresh pink slit pussy...gave her a gd tonguelashing, nice moans wif her hands caressing me face...after getting her wet, moved up to fondle, squeeze, knead n suck on those lovely C cup boobs n pink tits while she moaned n caressed me back, shiok!...

fj vgd as she has a gd bod feel n is accommodative...spooning sideways, lifted one of her legs up n pounded while squeezing one of her boobs n light frenching further enhanced by side mirror effect...asian cowgal n cowgal wif me squeezing her boobs followed by me fav flip as she is light n small...doggie alternated between squeezing her boobs n squeezing her ass while pounding n she reaching out one of her hands to grip me hand on her ass, accentuated by mirror effect...foldable chair wif her ass on the edge of the bed, legs wrapped ard me waist, hands gripping me neck n back, while i pounded, cld c her neck n boobs n face flush, finally frenched passionately while i shot me load...ended wif cuddling, chit chat n abit more frenching...

Overall i had an enjoyable time wif Xingyu...think gd chemistry between me n her...friendly fun genuine personality/character...definite gem......many tks to Fat Fatt for the recommendation...

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Old 22-11-2012, 04:40 PM
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Dear bronzegod,

Tks ever so much for yr oh so predictable post mate!!...

before sending off my fr on xingyu i made a bet wif another bud of mine tat u wld not only reply pronto but in such a manner as well......

For this i must definitely tku

Like i said before, u da 'immortal' bronzegod whereas me just a mere pale mortal....



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Bro Omnia,

What on earth took you so damn long to get to Xingyu 2038 when I've been talking about her almost every week and placing her in my rankings as high as number 2 since more than two months ago as early as the first week of September???

Xingyu's rise to number 2 in my rankings on 7 Sept: http://sammyreviews.store/showpos...&postcount=550

You a bit lag leh...

Then, never say "kumsia" to me some more .... hehehehe
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Dear bronzegod,

Tks ever so much for yr oh so predictable post mate!!...

before sending off my fr on xingyu i made a bet wif another bud of mine tat u wld not only reply pronto but in such a manner as well......

For this i must definitely tku

Like i said before, u da 'immortal' bronzegod whereas me just a mere pale mortal....
Hahaha. Glad to have helped you win a bet on top of getting to try Xingyu.

But seriously, what took you so long????
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Dear bronzegod,

Tks ever so much for yr oh so predictable post mate!!...

before sending off my fr on xingyu i made a bet wif another bud of mine tat u wld not only reply pronto but in such a manner as well......

For this i must definitely tku

Like i said before, u da 'immortal' bronzegod whereas me just a mere pale mortal....
HAHA this is funny.
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Re: GL 150cats FRs list

Yesterday actually planning to go to 1654A for Sa Sa but she have not start work,got to wait till afternoon as told by the pimp.So proceeded to try Jia Yi again at 2047 but along the way walk pass WH1612 Yi Tiao Long, heard about their Yi-Tiao Long service,so decided to go in and have a look. They have LCD TV for you to choose the girls and I was told by the pimp that their facilities different from other places is that they have water-bed. At the end of the day, it was not a water-bed but those large air cushion where it is use for body massage that u normally see in Jap AV movies or from BKK massage parlor. The pimp proceeded with summoning 4 girls in and at first look, I already make up my mind to choose Lu Lu for her looks and at the same time, it was also recommended by bros here. so here's my FR:

Lu Lu

Age :24

Province: Anhui

Hse :WH1612

Looks : 8/10 CFM look with sharp gua-zi face, she uses fake eyelashes but I find it natural not like Cai Shan's eyelashes.

Body :7.5/10 I like it,bah-bah type,not those fat type. Lu Lu frame have a mid-size frame, very fair skin and smooth,her arse are round, perfect for pumping doggie style

Boobs :7/10 (C cup, a bit sagged with light brown nipple ( blueberry size), love to suck them

Body Massage : 9/10 It was very sensual and shiok to feel her soft boobs rubbing my back with the air cushion,performed inside the big bath room,you dun feel the cold when she bathe you as she always ask for your feedback, besides the room A/C is switch off. I spent there lying on my front on the air-cushion around 10 mins as she uses her skills to work on me,touching my balls here and there with her fingers tips. Wow! its was very shiok! The services was somewhat similiar to BKK massage parlor. I can enjoy it here than to fly to BKK.

Cat-bath : 8/10 Good suction,comparable to Jia Yi's, but the differences is that she performed it inside the bath room. Her tongue's suction and licking at both sides of your ear lobes with light moaning sound makes my didi even more hardens.

Kissing 7.5/10 light pecks kisses but she dun speak french like Si Si

BBBJ 9/10 Good blow job with occasionally deep throated, her blow is somewhat similar to euro-AV movies. She almost make me cum but I stopped her, she comments that she wanted to continue somemore for a few mins to make me feel more shiok. See? This type of service is professional.

69: 6.5/10 Requested for it and she's ok with it,on the condition that I do not lick her, can touch and see. Her cunt was not flappy types, her labia was well hidden. I use my fingers to open her oyster and fingered it for a while.

FJ : 8/10 Lucky I stopped her from continued with her BBBJ, so that I can enjoy cowgirl, and doggie style. I especially like doggie as you can feel her butt's roundness and can grab her snake's waist, and also later can grab her C cup breasts from behind

Attitude 9/10 very chatty, always smiling, asking for your feedback whether do I feel shiok during the servicing. As for BBBJ,I like her CFM looks
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Xingyu(2038)...22 yr old mm fm Guangxi...fair pretty kawaii syt, looks young, normally i dont like fake eyelashes worn by the mms but on Xingyu they looked nice!...oh yes, she does indeed look abit like the younger version of retired Xiao Bu Dian(16W06)!...on the petite small side 158-160cm ht, quite slim curvy bod, nice perky C cup boobs wif 20 cent pink areola tits...juicy perky ass...lovely fresh pink pussy, well trimmed wif no smell...oh yes also luved her sexy stylish red coloured nail art pedicure!...

Overall v gd sex svc n v gd gfe...fun bubbly vivacious mm who cums across as a genuine character...

Helped me to undress wif some light chit chat n jokes, then hugged her bod n lifted up her dress to squeeze her juicy ass enjoying tge side mirror effect, while doing so light kissing tat followed on to light frenching, nice prequel!...

Shower action: soapy raba front n bk was enjoyable as her big perky boobs felt gd on me bod n skin...fondled her fm behind n while squeezing her soapy boobs, rubbed me cock on her ass, grazing on her neck n then turned her head ard to french lightly nice!...she then squatted to give me a quick soapy boob fuck followed by bbbj lick n suck which was gd...eyecontact was v gd...

Bed action: was feeling v relaxed wif Xingyu so did not bother to lie on me belly first, instead lay on me bk n took her in my arms v nice bod n pussy feel wif her on top of me while we gently frenched...she then did abit of a boobs massage on me chest, groin n legs...light catbath, followed by a pleasurable ar wif me legs raised...she did ar wif a soft slow wet lick motion n looked up at me at times...ar was done facing me n sideways as well...shiok made more shiok wif mirror effect!...

then lick n suck of me balls followed by licking of me shaft n a long slurpy bbbj which was gd wif nice eyecontact...to make it more exciting i stood up n got her to kneel on the bed while she continued to blow, me lifting her hair up n looked into her eyes, at times both of us enjoying the side mirror effect n at times me taking out me throbbing cock n slapping her cheeks wif it, looking deep into her eyes

My turn to take over, went down south to do me tonguefu...really enjoyed myself as Xingyu has a lovely fresh pink slit pussy...gave her a gd tonguelashing, nice moans wif her hands caressing me face...after getting her wet, moved up to fondle, squeeze, knead n suck on those lovely C cup boobs n pink tits while she moaned n caressed me back, shiok!...

fj vgd as she has a gd bod feel n is accommodative...spooning sideways, lifted one of her legs up n pounded while squeezing one of her boobs n light frenching further enhanced by side mirror effect...asian cowgal n cowgal wif me squeezing her boobs followed by me fav flip as she is light n small...doggie alternated between squeezing her boobs n squeezing her ass while pounding n she reaching out one of her hands to grip me hand on her ass, accentuated by mirror effect...foldable chair wif her ass on the edge of the bed, legs wrapped ard me waist, hands gripping me neck n back, while i pounded, cld c her neck n boobs n face flush, finally frenched passionately while i shot me load...ended wif cuddling, chit chat n abit more frenching...

Overall i had an enjoyable time wif Xingyu...think gd chemistry between me n her...friendly fun genuine personality/character...definite gem......many tks to Fat Fatt for the recommendation...
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Glad you liked my recommendation bro kevin on Lulu WH1612 and thanks for taking the initiative to up my points as a way to show your appreciation!

On your question about Xingyu 2038, while she's a cutie with natural GFE, her routine is not as wet and wild as many other commando WLs like Jiayi 2047 or Lulu WH1612...

Xingyu is more mild and gentle type...


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Yesterday actually planning to go to 1654A for Sa Sa but she have not start work,got to wait till afternoon as told by the pimp.So proceeded to try Jia Yi again at 2047 but along the way walk pass WH1612 Yi Tiao Long, heard about their Yi-Tiao Long service,so decided to go in and have a look. They have LCD TV for you to choose the girls and I was told by the pimp that their facilities different from other places is that they have water-bed. At the end of the day, it was not a water-bed but those large air cushion where it is use for body massage that u normally see in Jap AV movies or from BKK massage parlor. The pimp proceeded with summoning 4 girls in and at first look, I already make up my mind to choose Lu Lu for her looks and at the same time, it was also recommended by bros here. so here's my FR:

Lu Lu

Age :24

Province: Anhui

Hse :WH1612

Looks : 8/10 CFM look with sharp gua-zi face, she uses fake eyelashes but I find it natural not like Cai Shan's eyelashes.

Body :7.5/10 I like it,bah-bah type,not those fat type. Lu Lu frame have a mid-size frame, very fair skin and smooth,her arse are round, perfect for pumping doggie style

Boobs :7/10 (C cup, a bit sagged with light brown nipple ( blueberry size), love to suck them

Body Massage : 9/10 It was very sensual and shiok to feel her soft boobs rubbing my back with the air cushion,performed inside the big bath room,you dun feel the cold when she bathe you as she always ask for your feedback, besides the room A/C is switch off. I spent there lying on my front on the air-cushion around 10 mins as she uses her skills to work on me,touching my balls here and there with her fingers tips. Wow! its was very shiok! The services was somewhat similiar to BKK massage parlor. I can enjoy it here than to fly to BKK.

Cat-bath : 8/10 Good suction,comparable to Jia Yi's, but the differences is that she performed it inside the bath room. Her tongue's suction and licking at both sides of your ear lobes with light moaning sound makes my didi even more hardens.

Kissing 7.5/10 light pecks kisses but she dun speak french like Si Si

BBBJ 9/10 Good blow job with occasionally deep throated, her blow is somewhat similar to euro-AV movies. She almost make me cum but I stopped her, she comments that she wanted to continue somemore for a few mins to make me feel more shiok. See? This type of service is professional.

69: 6.5/10 Requested for it and she's ok with it,on the condition that I do not lick her, can touch and see. Her cunt was not flappy types, her labia was well hidden. I use my fingers to open her oyster and fingered it for a while.

FJ : 8/10 Lucky I stopped her from continued with her BBBJ, so that I can enjoy cowgirl, and doggie style. I especially like doggie as you can feel her butt's roundness and can grab her snake's waist, and also later can grab her C cup breasts from behind

Attitude 9/10 very chatty, always smiling, asking for your feedback whether do I feel shiok during the servicing. As for BBBJ,I like her CFM looks
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Re: GL 150cats FRs list

Xiao Bai 1606A

look : 7.4/10
body: 7.1/10
Tits: B-cup pinkish nipples, handful, soft.
height: below 1.6M
Catbath: 7.5 quite thorough
AR: 6.7 not skilled
bbbj : 6.9/10 too fast but long time
Lick nipple: no allowed
Painting: No
fj : 6.8/10 seems want to rush
gfe : no, mechanical just want to finish job
rtf : don't think so, more better one elsewhere
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