I like to share an article by Roosh on the importance of FRAME. He is the guru who asserts that a girl/woman who has had 5 or more sexual partners can never love a man again. Due to the irreparable loss of "bonding glue." I generally agree w/ him, although there are rare exceptions.
BTW, I hv done minimal editing on the article.
Don’t Let A Girl Assert Frame Over You
Within every interaction is a frame where one person does the evaluating and judging while the other does the satisfying. The person with the higher value will naturally fall into a frame of evaluation while the person with the lower value will fall into a frame of trying to prove or appease. Without even thinking about it, many men fall into the inferior frame with women by how they allow interaction to proceed.
Since we were children, we’ve been taught to answer questions. In school, we received rewards from the teacher if we answered correctly, and even in university, we were graded for “class participation” based on impressing the professor with how well we know the material. The problem is that we carry the need to prove ourselves over into adulthood and allow others to assume superiority by answering questions that make us explain our behavior, thoughts, or actions. Most people are in fact too eager to prove themselves when asked a question, but by doing so they almost always accept the inferior frame.
For example, a common question that a woman asks you is, “What do you do?” By quickly answering her question, you automatically accept her “prove yourself to me” frame. This is why my game book Bang teaches you to not answer directly to a woman’s questions in the early periods of the interaction when you’re trying to establish attraction. The better response is to give a joke answer that shows you do not care for her evaluation. Paradoxically, this increases her attraction for you even more, because your value must be higher than hers if you refuse to do what so many men before you had eagerly done.
Another example is when a co-worker—and not your boss—asks you, “Why did you do it this way?” He is attempting to assert the superior frame by getting you to justify yourself. An answer which refuses his frame is one where you don’t explain why you did it in your preferred way. Unless he asks you “how” you did something, which establishes him as the inferior seeking to learn from you, you should not rationalize yourself. You’ll also encounter co-workers who ask tiny favors of you that escalate over time.
How do you feel when you have sex with a woman for the first time and are not satisfied with your performance? Because you feel inferior at that moment, you may say something like “It’ll be longer next time” or “I shouldn’t have drunk so much.” This establishes you as the person who is supposed to do the pleasing. The woman is then more likely to see you as a weak man. A man who is confident of his worth would not be fazed by a bad sexual performance, or at least not feel the need to defend it.
It turns out that trying to justify yourself in any way is the best way to lose the frame, and should only be done when the other person has repeatedly asserted the inferior frame. For example, if a woman repeatedly justifies herself in your presence, you can throw her a bone and appease her once in a while, but only if it’s what you really want to do so that she feels a basic level of security in the relationship.
It’s important to note that natural alpha males are automatically resistant to accepting the inferior frame. Their instinct tells them not to justify themselves, and they have such a high opinion of who they are that maintaining frame naturally flows from them. If you are not a natural alpha, you’ll have to do it manually by stopping and thinking each time a woman asks you a question or a favor (“Can you hold my purse?”) to decide if she’s trying to assert frame. If she is, which is usually the case, you must deflect her question. Make a joke or “agree and amplify” so she comes to the conclusion that you are the superior in the interaction. Otherwise, she will slowly drain your power and either use you for attention or to establish firm control over your behavior as we see with men who have been hen-pecked by their wives after several years of marriage.
You want to reach a point where you have high expectations of a woman but she has little expectations of you. She must give you submission while you do as you may. This will take some real value to pull off, but in the meanwhile, you can simulate it by merely not falling into the frame of those who make requests and demands of you.
"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful women of your type calling you n wanting to fuck you everyday." - Bro Warbird
Cheers!
This is the most outrageous and arrogant comment that I ever come across. Why and how on earth will a self confident, financially independent and secure woman fall for such behavior? You seriously think that you are GOD"a gift to ladies??
Or maybe your target market are those KTV ladies whose main objective is to love your money. They won't bother how you behave as long as you show them the money. They can and will call you their Prince Charming even though one might look like a ugly toad.
Hope that you are not inculcating such thoughts into your son ya. I mean no harm and no offence taken.
That was how I used to behave when I was 21, whenever I was very lucky enough to get the contact of a pretty girl. I wish I knew about all that I hv posted here back then. I was reluctant to post the link because I didn't want my action to be misconstrued as promoting a biz.
I'm talking about an abundance mindset n belief in the S mind. It's very, very rare to find such a man because most men hv an incurable scarcity mindset. These men are very insecure, needy, always seeking validation n approval n they put their dream gals on a pedestal. And they watch in horror when their gals ditch them or cheat on them.
Read my quote carefully. I never mentioned "I." The outrageous n arrogant statement is meant for all bros here n for YOU because I love to share what I sincerely believe will work like magic. Yeah, like gong tao.
This mindset works w/ all dolls. Did I mention money n WLs?
When I tried to BY my first doll in late 2008, I was flatly rejected. Two of them hung up on me. Months later they both agreed. One of them was HW. What had changed? My behaviour.
IMHO, the most important determinant of what makes a man attractive to women is his perceived high status. I further believe that this perceived status is determined by his masculine n dominant behaviour. And the MOST important aspect of this behaviour is that he remains very relaxed n calm when facing tough challenges, including life n death situations. In other words, he has awesome emotional n self mastery.
OK, let me modify my quote to apply to non-WLs.
"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful and high quality women of your type, who are non-WLs, calling you and wanting to fuck you everyday. And they are all emotionally and sexually addicted to you."
If you, bro AAdam, truly hv such a mentality, deep in your S mind, you will hv more gals than you can handle.
There is a caveat. You will become so choosy n your standards will become so high that you will hv a hard time finding gals who are ur type. And u may never commit.
Like they say, when you gain something, you also lose something else.
Ralph Waldo Emerson said it much more eloquently: "For everything you have missed, you have gained something else, and for everything you gain, you lose something else."
Cheers!
Bro WB
Bro WB
This is typical classic example.
Scarcity mindset will kill any guy. If abundance mindset then guy will succeed easily.
Example - if gal said want to see me. I said ok. BuT i will not stopped doing anything just waiting to see this gal. I will continue to do my usual routine work or important jobs.
If another gal msg said want to meet I will still meet her. Why? Answer is you never know which gal dun turn up or keep to appointment.
Scarcity mindset will kill any guy. If abundance mindset then guy will succeed easily.
Example - if gal said want to see me. I said ok. BuT i will not stopped doing anything just waiting to see this gal. I will continue to do my usual routine work or important jobs.
If another gal msg said want to meet I will still meet her. Why? Answer is you never know which gal dun turn up or keep to appointment.
A truly useful thread not only must stand the test of time. But that the original TS himself must demonstrate commitment to the subject matter.
I am very impressed by the updates, chronicles, lessons imbibed (and discarded) and the quality of sharing over time. It shows up very evidently that BY is not some mythical amorphous thing, but rather a "true to life" activity in the world of cheonging.
I have met Bro Warbird (several years ago) and indeed was quite an active participant in the world of BY. I am not active anymore as I was facing some financial challenges!
Yes! stark reality .. there IS money involved to sustain a BY relationship. Like it or not, force of personality, charisma etc only goes so far.
(btw, it's not engaging in BY activities that bankrupted me, but rather being caught out during the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 on the wrong side of the financial investment equation)
Now that I have recovered somewhat financially, I can afford to dabble and indulge in this little recreational pursuit. To this end, I look forward to join Bro Warbird and gang in some BY outings and scoutings (if they would accept my company of course - cannot be presumptuous!).
I do know and remember the steps to land a BY (only this time, I have to go "budget") .... but what I don't have is "recency" and current knowledge! It would be indeed fun to see if the elapsing of eight years have diminished my "skill" or the world of BY now has "evolved" (or devolved) and operate on a different paradigm altogether .... cheers!!
IMO, it is an imbalanced market. You with the "budget" can still land something, anything, with time and effort. She, the prey, although is able to guess or gauge her own value, you can counter her perception of her value by walking away and giving her the dissatisfaction and the impression in her mind whether she let a good-enough fish (in fact you the hunter) walk away unless there is competitor.
Without paying over your budget, you need patience and effort, and also widen your target list. If you are bidding for the top three gals that are courted by multiple towkays, then you are joining a bidding war which is not to your advantage.
If you corner a good enough girl that will be yours most of the time (or all, it depends whether you've the energy and means to check on her) and she is not courted, then you have the time to manage her expectation of her own value since there is no bidding war going for her. If she is a proud one, move on. There are plenty of targets.
I feel that this game is a game of needs versus wants balanced by means. If you need the girl fast, then you better have the means to over come obstacles fast. If you are limited in your means, then deploy what you have and shoot for those that are not in a strong position or she needs what you have.
It should not be a perfect market, not even close. So deploy all your weapons, sweet talk, confidence, a way to stand out be it being indifferent or switch mode to attentive (just not too much as they dislike pushovers), and aim at multiple targets (probably not in the same room though), you may hit success, if not then move on to the next group of possibilities.
My apologies, I am disorganized and messy in here.
I hv enjoyed reading the discussions posted here in the past 7-8 days.
I shall not dignify you-know-who by replying to his posts. His many claims hv been verified as false by my grp kakis. I still like him because he is so entertaining n comical. Many of my kakis voted to expel him. He should come clean...it will take a real courageous MAN to do so.
I'll give him some slack as he is very young, around 29-30?, slightly younger than my kids, and if he gets his life together, he can still hv a very bright future. I do wish him the very best.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Finally managed to read all the forums between various bros and Mr Don Juan.
Bro WB
Great that you do not bother to reply him.
When a person wants to have WAR then no end to the tons of arguments. Think Mr DJ is a small needy kid not knowing what he has or can do.
Thanks for all the insightful read Bro wb. Best thread ever!
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Originally Posted by winnipeg
Agreed with Roosh.
I will not allow gal assert frame over me.
Cheers bro WB.
Bros, tks.
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Originally Posted by cygnini
Bro WB
This is typical classic example.
Scarcity mindset will kill any guy. If abundance mindset then guy will succeed easily.
Example - if gal said want to see me. I said ok. BuT i will not stopped doing anything just waiting to see this gal. I will continue to do my usual routine work or important jobs.
If another gal msg said want to meet I will still meet her. Why? Answer is you never know which gal dun turn up or keep to appointment.
We can always accept and go multiple dates.
Hope this is what bro WB trying to say.
Cheers.
Bro, tks.
A man must hv many options. Keep 2 or more LPs/mistresses/lovers/GFs...
In the last one year, on two occasions, my two LPs had their big aunties coming within 48 hrs.
I'm not apologetic for giving the following advice to every bro:
"Behave as if you have 100 beautiful and high-quality women of your type, who are non-WLs, calling you and wanting to fuck you every day. And they are all emotionally and sexually addicted to you."
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Originally Posted by steppop
I also will not allow that.
Thanks bro WB for a great thread.
Have a good week ahead.
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Originally Posted by BiggerLeague
Read the first few pages and so impressed.
Thanks bro WB for a very good thread.
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Originally Posted by jessel
Multiple dates are the best!
Thanks bro WB for this awesome thread.
Cheeros.
Tks, bros.
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Originally Posted by cantho
Nice one Bro WB
Will master this skill in the forum.
I will keep asking gals "do you want to go to bed yet"
Haha...hope I succeed.
EVen if 1% willing then I am success.
Cheers.
Bro, you're right.
Always be Mode One.
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Originally Posted by novascotia
Great compliment for a laojiao.
Tks, bro. Bro Justime is a BY master. Read his thread Mistress.
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Originally Posted by novascotia
This good bro wrote well.
His points are good too.
Yes, he is very good.
The "women market" is very inefficient. A man w/ the right mindset can do very well w/ a limited budget.
Less Is More!
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Originally Posted by novascotia
Finally managed to read all the forums between various bros and Mr Don Juan.
Bro WB
Great that you do not bother to reply him.
When a person wants to have WAR then no end to the tons of arguments. Think Mr DJ is a small needy kid not knowing what he has or can do.
Anyway cheers to you.
Bro, tks.
Look at his posts this yr. It's all abt Fls n massage women.
I hv been waiting for 5 years to see his "super chio SYTs." Or just to see him in person.
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Originally Posted by DoctorGoodie
Will try to master this skill too.
Have a nice day.
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Originally Posted by vinastar
A great compliment indeed!
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Originally Posted by HSBCtalker
Fully agreed, very good points.
Cheers.
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Originally Posted by KelvinFiend
Fantastic forum by bro WB, thanks for sharing so much!
This current gal from you-know-who is not pretty enough n not kawaii enough for me. Not sure if she is Aimee, who was shown to my grp in a Meipai video only. I did ask for more photos.
He quoted Aimee for BY at 25K a month I almost immediately told him in the chat grp I'm very interested in BYing her, he suddenly said she was taken!!
On 14/12/15, his exact words: aimee already taken no pt asking. I found many of my msg expressing instant interest in keeping her n his many msg saying she was already taken. He then showed me other gals who ready CMI. He thought his price tag of 25K a month was beyond me n my kakis. He couldn't be more wrong.
I'll upload n post some of the captured chat photos on this thread to see who is the liar. He showed Aimee's Meipai video, then I expressed immediate interest in keeping her at his suggested price of 25K sgd a month. He replied 12 hrs later that she was taken!! I repeated my interest over the next two days...
If he comes clean, I'll not post photos of his msg. I'll give him one day.
Frankly, my year 96 young lao po n another year 97 mistress earlier this yr are both much better looking n more SYT than the gal in the pic.
Cheers!
Bro WB
Bro WB
I agreed with you and think this gal is jsut ordinary and not worth even 10k per month.
I smell plenty of sour grapes too.
Anyway interesting enough to go thru all the exchanges last few pages.
08-04-2019, 11:15 AM
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