Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Originally Posted by _AXL_

. mcmanaman at least had the decency to notify liverpool 18 months ahead of his departure. and to compare him to rush??? that is a big insult. rush left liverpool with juventus paying a fair price for him. and there was only 1 club he wanted to come back to. owen is a player who is only interested in money and his own glamour. even tevez knew to say that he will never consider liverpool due to the rivalry. .

at last, somebody remember macca.. he was 1 of my fav players in tat era... beside god... actually, i think we miss somebody like him in our team now... player who can dribble and run at defenders... bring the ball out of defense and start quick counter attack...

just watch some 80-90's highlights on liverpooltv... rush at his prime is extraordinary, definitely 1 of teh very best striker in teh world... he scored all sort of goals, left foot, right foot, headers, tap-in, cheeky chip, 1-1, volley.... !!!

god came close....

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Originally Posted by rahl

Well bro, life is short and supporting Liverpool is simple, really, which is what I want to do, simply.

Eh, you didn't watch the Scum game ah? Even the pundits for once gave Lucas credit - the commentator said, 'he's played sooooo well', after he slipped the little pass to Ngog to score the clincher.

the scum game was easy lah. there is no challenge coming up against carrick and scholes, especially when scholes did not dare to tackle at all. but all credit to the pass to ngog at the end of the game. but it seems lucas still has the same problems. he certainly does not possess pace, thus it would be best for him to learn how to position himself rather than to bundle people over. this would greatly help his game.

Look, if you agree we played well against Lyon and Birmingham then surely you can't begrudge Lucas his contribution in midfield (of course not just him but the whole team). Unfortunately we didn't convert our chances so his performance gets forgotten (and pundits focus on Ngog etc).

i watched the birmingham game. against a team that defend deep, lucas didnt really have much to do. well, the next game is against man city, right??? it would do liverpool lots of good if the real lucas leiva shows up, the one i saw before he made his move to liverpool.

Lucas is neither Alonso or Mascher. He will never dominate midfield like Little Chief or lie deep like Xabi. But I like what I have seen this season of Lucas, linking up the play and trying to get forward. One of the great travesties this season is his failing to score, but at least he's getting into decent positions every game and needs to be calmer.

agreed. he needs to be much calmer. it seems that he is rushing his own shots, much more than the opponents did. eons ago, i have said that he needs some games which are easy for him to perform and let him gain his confidence rather than throwing him in the deep end. we shall see whether i have to eat my words come end of the season.

OK, that's my long post for the day (at least I get to say what I want to say).

wah!!! very long...

Originally Posted by bochapsing

at last, somebody remember macca.. he was 1 of my fav players in tat era... beside god... actually, i think we miss somebody like him in our team now... player who can dribble and run at defenders... bring the ball out of defense and start quick counter attack...

beside god... good bro... see my signature, enough said.

just watch some 80-90's highlights on liverpooltv... rush at his prime is extraordinary, definitely 1 of teh very best striker in teh world... he scored all sort of goals, left foot, right foot, headers, tap-in, cheeky chip, 1-1, volley.... !!!

god came close....

what u didnt see was that rush defended from the front, harassing defenders into making hasty passes. which increases the probability of a missed pass, thus allowing the midfielders and defenders to recover the ball. and his positive influence on the 17 yr old fowler was obvious in rush's 2nd stint with the reds.

cheers, all.

ps. does the manure thread have trolls as well??? i dont check it cos i m allergic to scum. i m just wondering cos this thread always attract them. well, that says a lot of their character. damn, just glad that i m supporting the right team.

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Originally Posted by _AXL_

ps. does the manure thread have trolls as well??? i dont check it cos i m allergic to scum. i m just wondering cos this thread always attract them. well, that says a lot of their character. damn, just glad that i m supporting the right team.

spot on, bro...

tat's wat make me so proud for being a Liverpool fan... we dun go to other team's thread and start zapping their fans... nor being a moron to start a thread to insult another team...

oppsss.... guess i've just attract some attention from the zapping squad sneaking around in OUR thread ...



~YNWA

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that was Parry's fault...plain n simple...dont blame Owen

Originally Posted by MelonEater

good point bro. BTW we sold Rushie for 3.2mil and re-sign him back one year later for 2.8mil. a nett 400k profit. In judas case we sold him for 8mil and need to fork out 15mil to re-sign him back. a nett loss of 7mil. that's a no brainer.
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puhleeze lah...was Owen running Madrid???...sheesh...

Originally Posted by MelonEater

Anyway i remember Rafa did stated that he interested to re-sign him if the price is right. If Judas really wanted to come back to pool, he should have stay firm and force madrid hand to lower down the transfer fees. But instead, once the newcastle offer was made, offering him a princely contract he zoom off to join Ah Lee Supermarket rather than holding on for a move to Sheng Siong.
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not when it is 1 win in 8; 6 losses n 1 draw...not when it looks like the Reds r probably out of the next stage of CL...not when the Reds r already probably out of the running for the EPL...not when it looks like Reds r going to face a tough fight for even the 4th spot EPL...n we r only in the 2nd week of Nov...where is our goal strike force apart fm Torres???

Originally Posted by MelonEater

Back to current situation. If Rafa have decided Judas is not worth to sign although it cost him peanuts, then we have to reserve our judgement till end may to pass judgement on Rafa decision. But instead NOW in Nov, verdict is already out everywhere to say Rafa have made a blunder of it. What impact Judas have made to vindicate this. In my opinion Judas will never made an impact whether he is in anfield or old toilet. Wait till end of the season, the scums fans will sure blame ferguson for bringing Judas in rather than going for a proper replacement for Ronaldo.

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first off appreciate the reply Bro....

it is an utter disgrace to LiverpoolFC to see Voronin pull on a Reds shirt...it shows that Reds r mid table EPL club at best...n Rafa still continues to play this useless piece of shit...time n again even though he has proven to be useless...so Rafa deserves to be criticised for this...particularly when he was given first dibs at taking back Owen on a freebie, pay per game pay per goal deal...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

think we are all spoilt by the wealth of good players who have donned the liverpool shirt for the past few decades. voronin is actually a decent player. he proved that at hertha berlin. just not good enough for liverpool. i find it weird, cos he could never reproduce the form he had in germany.

the fact that u can even ask whether Babel is "any better" to that useless piece of shit Voronin speaks volumes for yr objectivity Bro...also dont forget that it was Rafa who paid 11m plus quid for Babel...n now look at how he has handled Babel...bad player management here by Rafa regardless of the fact that Babel is mercurial...Rafa has in effect killed Babel's confidence by failing to start him even when he has performed well in previous games...bad show by Rafa here...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

agreed with u that voronin did not have a good game in a liverpool shirt ever since his 1st season with liverpool. is babel any better??? i can only think of the game in marseille as an outright good performance. other than scoring the winner against manure, i really struggle to think of another. but then again, i dont watch enough games and i dont have such a good memory these days.

u r misconceived Bro...Shanks, Paisely & the Boot Room Co that helped make the Reds a great grand club that it is...identified n spotted true talent...hard work, graft n discipline was a given if u wanted to be a Red Man under them...but to make the Reds the v best there had to be a minimum level of talent in all positions...i suggest u go check out "Secret Diary Of a Liverpool Scout - Geoff Twentyman"...then perhaps u may be able to understand what i am talking abt on this front...hard work alone is not enuff to make a club the best or even a top level club...just average medicority at best...btw Barnes, Rush, Nicol, Wheelan n Houghton had real talent first n foremost...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

as a blue collar club, the managers have always stressed on hard work and hardworking players are always appreciated. dirk kuyt being the latest idol. not much talent or creativity, just plain hard work. isnt that what attracts all of us to support liverpool??? at least for me, they were never flamboyant, even during the eighties. they were simply full of hardworking players who were extremely proud to wear the shirt. houghton, barnes, rushie, nicol, whelan (just to name a few) they were hardworking, first and foremost. if that is being sentimental, then sentimental i m... actually i might just be more guilty of not being able to keep with the times.

even if that was the case, Rafa sld hv then loaned that useless piece of shit out n got Owen in instead...n what is the use of such "experience" when Voronin is useless in the first place???

Originally Posted by _AXL_

rafa wasnt interested in keeping voronin. hertha berlin did not come in with an offer. they only wanted voronin on loan for another season. there is a reported article on this. u only need to see the striking lineup to see that voronin is probably there to provide the experience factor.

it is more than 1 goal/1 game l Bro...again pls try n be abit more objective...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

1 goal or 1 game does not form maketh.

regardless it is Rafa's responsibility...as he paid 11m plus quid for the lad...n look at way he is handling Babel?...diabolical is all i can say...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

we all do not know what is happening behind the scene for rafa not to prefer babel. but from what i can see and deduce, babel might very well be the kind of player who needs his manager to hold his hand and psycho him that he has what it takes. unfortunately, rafa is not that kind of manager. babel might be better off at arsenal with wenger. hmm... if rafa is that kind of manager, then adriano would be a very good and cheap signing.

perhaps...but at the moment Rafa has got to pick players fm his squad that can at least spark some creativity even if it is only for 5 mins...n playing Voronin instead of Babel is clearly wrong...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

creativity is expensive, very expensive these days. anyone less than 15mil, i dont think u can get much of that. the kind of creativity u r hoping to see, it would border on extreme optimism if u hope to see it from babel.

sorrie Bro but i dont think u r the one who sld be talking abt "bias" to me...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

haiz... hindsight bias. there are standard procedures put in place. hyypia knew that rafa likes him a lot, so much so that he wants hyypia to be part of his coaching team. but bayer leverkusen offered him an extension of his playing career, which no other team in the premiership would offer. he will be back.

Kyrg is too old n slow period...again it is an utter disgrace to Liverpool FC to see a player of Kyrg's ability don on a Reds shirt...perhaps i am prepared to give Lucas a chance because of his age but only as a squad player...Kyrg no way...n i hv said what i wanted to say on Babel abv...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

my previous posts, i have said that u need to give the new guys some time to get used to the premier league. form is temporary, class is permanent. kyrgiakos has pedigree, the kind who will put his body on the line. babel has been here for quite a few years but u r still waiting for the real him to turn up. why dont u give the new guys a chance???

puhleeze lah...then why did Rafa take a chance on Pennant?...who btw turned out to be a flop...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

owen??? and risk losing the identity of LFC??? some years back, there was talk of buying lee bowyer, the asian basher who was mysteriously acquitted of assault. he was at the top of his game, can tackle damn well and chip in his fair share of goals. bowyer was very interested to come, but public opinion stopped his move. why??? association.

u r clearly biased agst Owen...Parry is to blame for the Reds losing money on him when he left for Madrid...n where was Mcmanaman's "decency" when he just ran down his contract wif the Reds?...btw i dont blame Mcmanaman either...u fail to understand that this is a professional game afterall n players hv a limited time playing so they need to make $$$ wifin that short time to provide for themselves n their family...there is no insult comparing Owen to Rush as both served the club well...it just turns out that Rush was lucky to hv Dalglish as manager at the Reds at the time he wanted to return n that the Reds were in pretty good financial health as well...u talk abt Tevez...puhleeze, Tevez wld hv joined the Reds if the Reds were prepared to pay him what City hv given him so dont make me laugh...n u talk abt Hull???...if u were a player of Owen's ability trying to make a comeback in the England squad in a WC yr who wld u pick...Manure or Hull?...it is a ridiculous comparison...particularly bearing in mind that Owen had given Rafa n the Reds first dibs...again try n be abit more objective Bro...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

owen... he could have signed another year's extension and let liverpool make some money out of him. a world class striker then, he left for 8mil whereas he should easily command a 25mil price-tag. this is a club that groomed him and gave him his break. not only that, houllier modelled the formation just for him. that was the least he could do. leave for more money. mcmanaman at least had the decency to notify liverpool 18 months ahead of his departure. and to compare him to rush??? that is a big insult. rush left liverpool with juventus paying a fair price for him. and there was only 1 club he wanted to come back to. owen is a player who is only interested in money and his own glamour. even tevez knew to say that he will never consider liverpool due to the rivalry. do u think owen has any of that in mind??? he could have played for hull who can guarantee him a place in the starting eleven, anytime he is not injured. those were owen's own words - playing time was important to him. where he is now already answered your query as to why rafa didnt want judas. rafa wrong??? i beg to differ.

again pls try n be objective Bro...Jose built Porto to what it was on a budget that was definitely smaller than the Reds...n won the Uefa Cup first n then the CL...also he won the EPL in his v first yr in the EPL...no doubt wif Roman's roubles but note Ranieri had Roman's roubles for 1 yr prior n cld not achieve this...also looking at Mark Hughes at City it looks like he shall not achieve the same either n Hughes has alot of prior experience in the EPL...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

porto had a very expensive squad. but luck was on their side. they only had to get past manure. they got monaco in the final. it was monaco that did all the hard work to get the strongest teams out of the way. and then returned to their real standard in the final, that is to lose. 3-0, i think.

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Jose is not stupid...he shall only be tempted to come to Anfield if the ownership n $$$ problems r sorted...until then wishful thinking...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

jose to manure??? that's what he says... but liverpool will present a challenge he will not be able to resist. the fanatic and unquestioning support and the seemingly impossible quest to bring the holy grail back to anfield. it would be irresistable.

Robben n Lampard not creative enuff for u?...what abt Deco when he was in charge of Porto?...anyways i hv waited 19yrs heck might as well make it 20 yrs now for the title to comeback to Anfield...so yes i want the Reds to win even if it means playing ugly n eeking out 1-0 wins...n yr comment on Rafa is ridiculous because why wld i be so critical of him if the Reds were winning in the first place? duh???...let the Reds start winning on a consistent basis n win the EPL first...then later perhaps we can hv the luxury abt talking abt their style of play...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

but bear in mind, jose's team wins, but wins ugly most of the time. not much of the creativity u want leh... unless u only want them to win, doesnt matter how. if that is the case, then your beef with rafa is that he is just not winning often enough for your liking.

it is no secret that Rafa aspires to one day return to Madrid n manage the club...so i wont be surprised if he goes or is given the boot...Pelligrini's position looks far fm solid...anyways all things considered i wont be surprised if Rafa walks assuming Madrid does make an offer...because to be fair to him he has taken alot of unnecessary shit fm the yanks n Parry(before he left)...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

the stupidest thing in the world is to take up the real madrid job. nothing to do actually. no, the players will tell the manager what to do and what not to do. which self-respecting manager will ever do that??? with a president like perez??? rafa might be stubborn, but a fool he certainly is not.

i hv never understood Rafa's tactics...if u look back at Athens CL07'...the Reds had Milan for the taking because Milan looked out of sorts on that day...Rafa sld hv started wif Crouch fm the start...big mistake...n last season i still believe the Reds did not win the EPL because of Rafa's defensive tactics in the first half of the season...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

i think it might be good for rafa to have a few more of such episodes, so that he will realise that some of his tactics might be flawed. playing 1 game with the next game's lineup in mind, a big NO NO!!! scoring first and then relax, hoping to catch the opposition on the break, does not always work.

i dont think so for reasons which i hv stated abv n in earlier posts in this thread...both owners n Rafa hv to go first...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

if they can solve the ownership issues, then rafa will do well. liverpool's earnings last season was 2nd to manure, but made a loss of 40+ mil due to interest payments.

sorrie Bro but this is totally irrelevant to our abv discussion on Rafa...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

think of it this way. support a winner, no big deal. support an unworthy winner, they have to hide their jerseys when they are not winning. support liverpool proudly despite the disappointment says something of your character. we dont give up what we believe in when the going gets tough. it helps to get chicks, actually... by showing that we have got commitment to make things work, instead of changing jersey...

yeah well Degen was also a Rafa buy...anyways the problems go much further than Xabi's departure...look at the pathetic defending when it comes to set pieces n corners this season?...i dare not look everytime there is a set piece or corner nowadays...bloody pathetic...n if not for Reina's fine form it wld probably be worse...almost no goals if Torres n Gerrad not firing on all cyclinders...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

arbeloa confirmed leaving before the purchase of johnson. i shiver to think of degen playing every game. if everything remained constant, johnson would have made the team much stronger. alas, it was not to be. injuries and poor form, coupled with the departure of alonso. i must confess that i didnt think alonso would have made such a big difference.

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Originally Posted by _AXL_

ps. does the manure thread have trolls as well??? i dont check it cos i m allergic to scum. i m just wondering cos this thread always attract them. well, that says a lot of their character. damn, just glad that i m supporting the right team.

Im interested in this thread because lot of women here, and they always discuss abt how women play football.

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if u read chaps like rob hughes n ian mcintosh n even frank o'malley u may find that not all brit footie journos r anti-liverpool...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

aahh... so u realise, eh??? if they punish ngog for the dive, the whole manure team will have all the time to go back to china to practise diving with guo jingjing. but u should continue to read them, and have a good laugh about their inability to be subtle. journalists these days, no skills in the power of insinuation. like that, i also can be a journalist liao... and end up kenna locked up under internal security act in no time!!!

again i say try n be objective Bro...i too dislike scum Manure...however at the same time i can also acknowledge that the Red Devils like the Reds hv a great sense of tradition n heritage...as for being "commercial"...face facts Bro...we r no longer living in the 20th C...it is now the 21st C n if u want to be a successful EPL club u need big $$$ which then means being commercial is v impt...saying that being commercial does not necessarily mean losing one's tradition n heritage...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

and end up like manure, a totally commercial club??? where their fans were nowhere to be seen at the end of a 4-1 hiding??? i will certainly want some stubborness and sentiment instead. commercial fucks just cant get me excited, much less passionate...

i think u r mistaken Bro...see my comments abv...btw hv u paid a visit to both Anfield n Old Toilet?...i hv visited both grounds on quite afew occasions both pre EPL time when the Reds were top dogs n Manure had not yet arisen n recently when sadly it is now the reverse...n i can tell u the atmosphere in both stadiums is equally amazing...it is v far removed fm Vince's Show...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

bro, i know it hurts to see the scum have so much success but they lack an identity, which is very much valued by LFC. else, it would be no different from WWE liao.

all i can say is how the heck can Lucas call himself a Brazilian football player...this lad lacks creativity n is a poor finisher...yes he is hard working n runs ard alot...but all in he is mediocre n average n so unBrazilian like...

Originally Posted by _AXL_

lucas, lucas. think he can only play well against the lousier teams. only saw him play well against hull, stoke and manure. the way he plays, i just wish that we play the scums week in, week out. on a more serious note, he still lacks consistency (yes, i value that very much) and a serious lack of confidence. and i still cant foresee whether he is striving to be a mascherano or an alonso-type of player. maybe u can shed some light on this since u follow his development so closely.

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well the Reds r not...so i suggest u stop living in la la land n wake up see things for what they really r instead of kidding yrself...on balance Lucas is an average mediocre player...at best a squad player only...

Originally Posted by rahl

. If we were winning our matches and playing as well as we did against the Scum, we might be looking at the Leiva differently.

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Originally Posted by omnia

well the Reds r not...so i suggest u stop living in la la land n wake up see things for what they really r instead of kidding yrself...on balance Lucas is an average mediocre player...at best a squad player only...

Lucas is just a number in the squad....
He does not have the skills like Alonso or Mascherano to turn a game around.
I can't believe Rafa is still using him so often....
Time to give the new blood some playing time...

[ProfessorOokami]

Originally Posted by Alkano

Lucas is just a number in the squad....
He does not have the skills like Alonso or Mascherano to turn a game around.
I can't believe Rafa is still using him so often....
Time to give the new blood some playing time...

I still dont see the attributes of that Lucas, if any Since it is a faint hope to get any silver ware now, might as well let those second stringers play more.

Rafa...why you like Lucas and Voronin such much ah??

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Originally Posted by Alkano

Lucas is just a number in the squad....
He does not have the skills like Alonso or Mascherano to turn a game around.
I can't believe Rafa is still using him so often....
Time to give the new blood some playing time...

Originally Posted by ProfessorOokami

I still dont see the attributes of that Lucas, if any Since it is a faint hope to get any silver ware now, might as well let those second stringers play more.

Rafa...why you like Lucas and Voronin such much ah??

lucas is not and will never be a brazilian like kaka or ronaldino.. but he's more like a dunga, gilberto or filipe melo type of midfielder... one tat do not get under spot light for scoring fantastic goal drazzling dribble, but rather perform his role quietly and effectively.. (p.s. i never said he's already as good as them... )

anyway, everybody seems to forget that he's only 22, there's plenty of time for him to improve, and i think we agree that he did improve tis season...

anyway, even rafa never ever said tat he's going to be our regular yet.. after aquilani is fit, he'll be a useful squad player who able to step into the team..

~~expecting lots of sticks for defending seems to be the 2nd most hated player (after voronin)~~

2nd stringers? from the limited action we saw, i dun think plessis not spearing r any better than lucas now.. while i hope to see pacheco in action, but he's playing more like a 2nd striker, different from lucas..

as for voronin, i think he's simply not suitable for epl... rafa may let him go in jan (assuming somebody want him), if ngog gives few more impressive performance...

[MelonEater]

Originally Posted by bochapsing

lucas is not and will never be a brazilian like kaka or ronaldino.. but he's more like a dunga, gilberto or filipe melo type of midfielder... one tat do not get under spot light for scoring fantastic goal drazzling dribble, but rather perform his role quietly and effectively.. (p.s. i never said he's already as good as them... )

anyway, everybody seems to forget that he's only 22, there's plenty of time for him to improve, and i think we agree that he did improve tis season...

anyway, even rafa never ever said tat he's going to be our regular yet.. after aquilani is fit, he'll be a useful squad player who able to step into the team..

~~expecting lots of sticks for defending seems to be the 2nd most hated player (after voronin)~~

2nd stringers? from the limited action we saw, i dun think plessis not spearing r any better than lucas now.. while i hope to see pacheco in action, but he's playing more like a 2nd striker, different from lucas..

as for voronin, i think he's simply not suitable for epl... rafa may let him go in jan (assuming somebody want him), if ngog gives few more impressive performance...

i find it hillarious when people called Lucas so un-Brazilian. To those people, every brazilian had to be in the mould of kaka, robinho or ronaldinho. guess they never watch how dunga or falcao play. BTW scum is paying 17mil for anderson. is he a brazilian? Comparing Lucas transfer fees with him, seems like we got a gem

[rahl]

Originally Posted by bochapsing

anyway, even rafa never ever said tat he's going to be our regular yet.. after aquilani is fit, he'll be a useful squad player who able to step into the team..

I know, some people think our team should be full of galacticos only. They also think a player is cast in stone - more likely it is cast in stone in their impressions, which never change like good players can and often will.

Originally Posted by MelonEater

i find it hillarious when people called Lucas so un-Brazilian. To those people, every brazilian had to be in the mould of kaka, robinho or ronaldinho.

I bet they can't name the Brazilian midfielders who helped the country win their last 2 world cups

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puhleeze lah...u dare mention Lucas in the same breath as Dunga n Gilberto...even wif yr sneaky caveat at the end...the lad lacks ball control n is a poor finisher n just 1 solid game agst Manure does not indicate improvement to me...

Originally Posted by bochapsing

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lucas is not and will never be a brazilian like kaka or ronaldino.. but he's more like a dunga, gilberto or filipe melo type of midfielder... one tat do not get under spot light for scoring fantastic goal drazzling dribble, but rather perform his role quietly and effectively.. (p.s. i never said he's already as good as them... )

anyway, everybody seems to forget that he's only 22, there's plenty of time for him to improve, and i think we agree that he did improve tis season...