Raid!!!!!!!!!

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by llyod_hing

even though your house got nothing illegal?

anyway, how many ASPs are willing to be on the ground with these runners of theirs? they'd rather be sitting in their air-cond office shake legs n gain credit

Bro, if you think your hse has nothing illegal to worry about. Why afraid of letting them check? You can still lodge a complain if you think you are unfairly treated. Adopt the "Always do first, complain later"

[RocketScience]

Most FLs stay in homes set up by their OKTs. These OKTs and these gers are a walking timebomb. As I said before, many take drugs and gamble. Sometimes it is hard to feel sorry for them because the gers dont take care and their OKTs only want to have a good time.

So many FLs in Orchard Towers. Where you think they stay? And many FLs are not nice gers and make problem for each other. GL gers have less problems because all is legal and if got problem their legal OKT will help. If you kenna the FLs at orchard, jia lat, sure got fighting and accusation and all that.

I think all also know that some gers and OKTs have inside contacts on raids and they will siam the place. even ICA oficers in the past have been caught giving visa to FLs, both for money and sex.

if ICA officer can let unwanted people in can you imagine that all a terrorist need to do is to give women to this officer and any tom dick and harry can come into singapore and make problem? it is quite scarry idea.

i still say that we go for legals all the way so that we help crooked cops or ICA officers get richer and have gers come here and pollute our place with drugs and gambling. the funny thing is that FLs kenna caught go back and buy new passport and two weeks later they are back on the streets here.

if gers want to work here they can do it legally. it is safer for them and for their family back home too. income also almost guaranteed. to do it illegal is to support scumbags of society who prey on women.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by proprimate

Bros,

Jus also read on some laws on code of arrest in Singapore. No force is required if subject submits willingly. Some AV officers did not follow the code and give these gers kicks in the van, for what may I ask? Is there a language barrier that these gers dun understand that u had to resort to violence. So if ur mother dun understand English when I say get into the van, I give her good kick on her ass???!!!! U like?

cheers!

Bro, if you actually witnessed the scene and you willingly stand up and make a official complain. I'm sure they will pick up for sure. But I'm sure there are good at rolling the ball back to you. so the word is LPPL. You want to bring up, den go for it, all the way. Dun fall back.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by Rof|maoxz

Bro, just to add abit. The police can conduct a search without a search warrant if the provisions of Sections 69 or 70 of the Criminal Procedure Code are satisfied. Quoting a example.

It is clearly stated that any police officer investigating into a seizable offence. Take the case where a policeman is chasing after a robber and the robber runs into a house. Can the policeman forced his way in? Answer is yes.
Reason: Investigating a seizable offence.

As in bro proprimate's case, the Police would have recieved a complaint or information or is conduction a Police investigation on the hse owner. Therefore the SPF will need to obtain a search warrant.

Just to further reinterate abit.


Search of place entered by person sought to be arrested.
25. —(1) If any person acting under a warrant of arrest or any police officer having authority to arrest has reason to believe that any person to be arrested has entered into or is within any place, the person residing in or in charge of the place shall, on demand of the person so acting or the police officer, allow him free ingress to the place and afford all reasonable facilities for search in it.

(2) If ingress to that place cannot be obtained under subsection (1) it shall be lawful in any case for a person acting under a warrant and in any case in which a warrant may issue but cannot be obtained without affording the person to be arrested an opportunity of escape for a police officer to enter the place and search in it, and in order to effect an entrance into the place to break open any outer or inner door or window of any place whether that of the person to be arrested or of any other person if after notification of his authority and purpose and demand of admittance duly made he cannot otherwise obtain admittance.

Search of persons in place searched.
26. Whenever a search for anything is or is about to be lawfully made in any house or place in respect of any offence all persons found in it may be lawfully detained until the search is completed, and they may, if the thing sought is in its nature capable of being concealed on the person, be searched for it by or in the presence of a Magistrate or Justice of the Peace or a police officer not below the rank of sergeant.

Power to break open doors and windows for purposes of liberation.
27. Any police officer or other person authorised to make an arrest may break open any place in order to liberate himself or any other person who having lawfully entered for the purpose of making an arrest is detained in it.

No unnecessary restraint.
28. —(1) The person arrested shall not be subjected to more restraint than is necessary to prevent his escape.

Mode of searching women.
(2) Whenever it is necessary to cause a woman to be searched the search shall be made by another woman with strict regard to decency.


Search of persons arrested.
29. —(1) Whenever a person is arrested —

(a) by a police officer under a warrant which does not provide for the taking of bail or under a warrant which provides for the taking of bail but the person arrested cannot furnish bail; or

(b) without warrant or by a private person under a warrant and the person arrested cannot legally be admitted to bail or is unable to furnish bail,

the police officer making the arrest or, when the arrest is made by a private person, the police officer to whom the private person makes over the person arrested may search such person and place in safe custody all articles other than necessary wearing apparel found upon him and any of those articles which there is reason to believe were the instruments or the fruits or other evidences of the crime may be detained until his discharge or acquittal.

(2) A police officer investigating into a seizable offence in the exercise of his powers under Chapter XIII may enter the house or other place of abode of any person who is under arrest in connection with the offence and search such premises for any evidence of the offence.

[Rof|maoxz]

Arrest without a warrant

When police may arrest without warrant.
32. —(1) Any police officer may without an order from a Magistrate and without a warrant arrest —

(a) any person who has been concerned in any seizable offence or against whom a reasonable complaint has been made or credible information has been received or a reasonable suspicion exists of his having been so concerned;

(b) any person having in his possession without lawful excuse, the burden of proving which excuse shall lie on such person, any implement of housebreaking;

(c) any person who has been proclaimed under section 51;

(d) any person in whose possession anything is found which may reasonably be suspected to be stolen or fraudulently obtained property, and who may reasonably be suspected of having committed an offence with reference to that thing;

(e) any person who obstructs a police officer while in the execution of his duty or who has escaped or attempts to escape from lawful custody;

(f) any person reasonably suspected of being a deserter from any force referred to in section 140B of the Penal Code or to which Chapter VII of that Code may be extended;
Cap. 224.

(g) any person found taking precautions to conceal his presence under circumstances which afford reason to believe that he is taking those precautions with a view to committing a seizable offence;

(h) any person who has no ostensible means of subsistence or who cannot give a satisfactory account of himself;

(i) any person who is by repute an habitual robber, housebreaker or thief, or an habitual receiver of stolen property knowing it to be stolen, or who by repute habitually commits extortion or in order to commit extortion habitually puts or attempts to put persons in fear of injury;

(j) any person in the act of committing in his presence a breach of the peace; or

(k) any person subject to the supervision of the police who has failed to comply with any of the requirements of this Code.

(2) Nothing in this section shall be held to limit or modify the operation of any other law empowering a police officer to arrest without a warrant.

[Rof|maoxz]

This warrent search by carried out by the ICA, via Immigration Act (Chapter 133) is abit different but with the help of the anti-vice, they can carried out the search more effortlessly.


Power of search and arrest
51. —(1) Any immigration officer or any other officer generally or specially authorised in writing in that behalf by the Controller, and any officer of the Singapore Customs acting under the instructions of such immigration officer, and any police officer may without a warrant and with or without assistance —

(a) enter and search any premises; and

(b) stop and search any vehicle, train, vessel or person, or search any aircraft, whether in a public place or not,

if he has reason to believe that any evidence of the commission of an offence under this Act or the regulations is likely to be found on the premises or person or in the vehicle, vessel, aircraft or train, and may seize any evidence so found.


(2) No woman shall be searched under this section except by a woman.

(3) Any police officer, immigration officer or customs officer may arrest without warrant any person who he reasonably believes has committed an offence under this Act or the regulations.

(4) Where any person is arrested by an immigration officer or customs officer under subsection (3), the immigration officer or customs officer shall comply with sections 35 and 36 of the Criminal Procedure Code (Cap. 68) as if he were a police officer.

[RocketScience]

I have a suggestion to all bros here but first a little background.

i used to go for FLs, GL, OT, Katong because I like overnights - can make 4 shots easily and then can get freebies for months after that if lucky and ger like me.

but recently i start to go to fishtanks. i wonder why bros don't like fishtank gers. generally speaking on average, they actually look better that FLs. the only downside is no overnight and a bit shy to talk to another man for a bonk.

i think if g'vt can make FLs legal, it will be win-win for all. the only problem is licensing them and getting rid of unscrupulous OKTs. if all gers a legal, including FLs, we can pick them up at clubs or streets and feel safe that they are sexually clean and not on drugs.

FLs apply for license from ICA/AV. Pay a fee (g'vt sure like that) for the license and they can work here with no problems as long as they stay within the law and keep away from scumbags in our society.

what do bros here think?

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

I have a suggestion to all bros here but first a little background.

Bro, do you think that the MIWs or the MOM will "nod their heards" to our suggestion? I doubt so. You can ask those lau jiaos how difficult to obtain a licensed FL work permit. They won't go thru the process just to suit our needs. All they have to do (earn coffers) is to conduct raids, and more raids. (Those officers are already paid) Fine the unlicensed FLs jialat jialat. Next month ICA let in a certain quota of STSVP visitors, the process goes round and round.....

[proprimate]

Bros,

Plis enlighten me on the laws of using force on international passport holders caught for prostitution. It looks like we may have overlooked the International Laws on such treatment in such cases.

This is my take on the future direction. With numerous raids in Geylang, FLs will rethink their strategy. The answer to that question is to disperse all over Singapore and into the heartlands to get customers because Geylang is no longer a viable option. Then, can u imagine the headaches its gonna cause. More resources required, manpower doubled, complains streaming in. The repercussions, endless.

At least, in Geylang, its confined within that area. For those complain kings dwelling there, move out cause u know what Geylang is all about. If u wan to stay there, accept the consequences, stupid fools. Everybody has a choice!!!
There are a lot of other control measures for a win-win situation between the FLs and MIB. Educating safe sex talks for them, subsidised medical check up, entry quotas like x number come in, x number go out.

Why LKY say we are not still there? These are one of the possible reasons. We have placed a solid system until people are cold and narrow minded. I guess now is the time to play around with strategies to show we are a mature society and not hold us by our hands all the way. Cheers!

[RocketScience]

We have to think in terms of long term especially with IR coming up. Right now the hotspots are GL, OrchardTowers, and Joo Chiat.

FLs going to heartland areas makes no sense because no point if customers dont know where to find them. and if customers keep coming to find them we will have a case like that of Joo Chiat and even GL residents complaining to g'vt.

I can just imagine the number of FLs and OKTs waiting for IR to open up. Their business will explode.

What g'vt has to do is to look at Macau model for prostitution. If we let FLs walk the streets and loiter around the IR then jia lat can you imagine the loss of business everytime got raid in the IR area. Even families won't visit the non-casino. And this is where the FLs will do their walk.

Even more FLs will be going into the casino if there is no surchage on foreigners going into the gaming area.

So, I say we do a macau, open up the industry to have different levels of service including overnight services. It will almost be like a escort service but include sex. important thing is that demand is always there and as long as got demand sure got supply.

So the trick is to make sure that supply is healthy for all including society. The tricky part is to keep out scumbags from controlling the show(s).

I can tell you that the g'vt is worried about the IR and prostitution. Can you imagine if customers kenna AIDS form an FL and the story is reported in internaitonal news. For sure business dorp by a large margin from overseas customers and locals with families also scarred to go to the area.

If IR cannot make it then g'vt sure paiseh after all the trouble of convinging the population to along with their plans.


So with IR coming up, I think we have a good chance to improve the FL situation here with the end result being we get better looking girls, clean girls, drug-free environment, less scumbags creating problems with the girls and drugs and g'vt get extra income from licensing. and g'vt help to protect local and overseas customers at the IR.

to handle a matured topic like IR, we need to be mature enough to discuss the implications it will have on prostitution. and as mentioned, we also need to look at how to ensure that singaporeans (family members) get to enjoy the entertainment benefits of the IR. The problem is all the same and it is prostitution.

I wonder how many bros here will take their families to GL for dinner or kia kia. Even if they don't cheong, it is very bad to bring kids there to see all the FLs walking about in sexy clothes and having your wife think about you going there some day.

For sure IR will fail is prostitution is not controlled in some way. And prostitution has to be controlled on a island-wide way. Any FL that come into singaporea will have no problem going to Jurong if there are customers there. it doesn't matter. all matters is that once they come in to singapore, it is very easy for them to work anywhere and for sure the IR is a good spot.

something for all to think about and to share ideas.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by proprimate

Bros,

Plis enlighten me on the laws of using force on international passport holders caught for prostitution. It looks like we may have overlooked the International Laws on such treatment in such cases.

Cheers!

I dun know whether this may help you or not. Rough guide.

Immigration Act (Chapter 133) - Prohibited immigrants

8.
(1) Any person, not being a citizen of Singapore, who is a member of any of the prohibited classes as defined in subsection (3) or who, in the opinion of the Controller, is a member of any of the prohibited classes, is a prohibited immigrant.

(2) Subject to any exemption granted under section 56 —

(a) No prohibited immigrant who is a member of the prohibited class defined in subsection (3) shall enter Singapore; and

(b) No other prohibited immigrant shall enter Singapore, unless he is in possession of a valid pass in that behalf issuable to a prohibited immigrant under the regulations.

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Any prostitute or any person who is living on or receiving or who, prior to entering Singapore, lived on or received the proceeds of prostitution;


Shall be guilty of an offence and —

(i) in the case of an offence under paragraph (a), shall be punished with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $4,000.

[RocketScience]

International passport holders who get caught for soliciting or prostitution (is there any difference between soliciting and prostituting?) are sent back home. there is seldom a fine or even jail sentence. but like i said most return with new passports and continue as per normal.

as for treatment like whether they are handcuffed or not I am not sure.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

Something for all to think about and to share ideas.

You sure have idea of rocketscience. But I see no reason to link FL trade and IR 2gether. Even there is an outbreak of AIDs, CDC still cannot control it since they already aware that the reported AIDs cases are only the tip of the iceberg. IR can still operate by themselves, Big MNCs resort operators. But do you think MIWs will interfere with the GL/FL trade? Nope. They already earn a pile from the operators even b4 they set up the hses. You will flip thru any tourist handbook I doubt there is guide on GL's hookers, only makan places I agree. The most they intro you on orchard towers.

[Rof|maoxz]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

as for treatment like whether they are handcuffed or not I am not sure.

They will not be handcuffed, but tied with plastic disposable restraints. Hehe~

[RocketScience]

Rof|maoxz : bro if you think IR and prostitution have no links then you must be laughing to yourself when you cum in your new GF and you tihnk your old GF become virgin.

they are one and the same! and to think of illegal prostution and drugs as different then you are thinking small. when IR comes g'vt has to think big. And big means pros and drugs and all the bad things that come with it.

Two things can happen when IR arrives:
1) problem stays within IR - FLs do their thing and are not seen clearly by good people

2) probem flows outside of IR - directly outside of IR and people can see the FLs. And the prblem come when even 1 FL is seen because with 1 you will get many soon. With many FLs, many problems come out. AIDS, SG families scared to go, RAIDs happen, drugs are sold and IR become nothing more than a sick place for SGs.

You think g'vt will allow this???

They have the local media but not the international media.

So I think g'vt is thinking how to tackle this problem and I know they do not know how to tackle the problrm.

Bros like us know more thatn them. SO, I ask bros whqat is the recipe to tackle thi problem. WE all know that Joo Chiat and Orchard Towers are the place to go. But once IR come up, we all also know that the FLs will head down there. And more FLs than we have now.

Just my thinking bros. Hope no offense. But this is serious business as we are all SGs and we enjoy our cheongs and I say that we find a good way to cheong without making problrm in the country.

Because if we cheong in or near the air, we will make demand and we will make FLs go there and we will screw up the IR plan. And if IR plan screw up, we will all lose.

SO, the g'vt will listen to samleong's kakis. belieef it or not they no choice. once a foreign customer kenna Aids, the IR will hav eproblems.

If you disagree with what i say then ask yourself if FLs will go to IRs or not?

if you say yes, then just imagine what IR will look like with all the FLs there.

If you say no, then maybe I talk shit. But all IRs, all over the world need a good pros scheme, like it or not.

How do we handle it is how we make it happen. sag is new in the IR, so we have to make it good from the start.