Price Difference for Girls, Are we Paying PREMIUM to GIRL or OKT???

[trax]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

You are not wrong in your way of saying. A lot of businessmen lie in order to reach their objective. There is this saying, you want to lie, make sure you cover it well and don't get caught. Don't think you are smart and hoodwink people. If you get caught, don't blame the person who caught you but blame yourself for being stupid for not covering your lies well.

It's just like TT Durai. If he was never caught, in the eyes of the public, he is still a morally right person.

Haha. Wanted to quote that person, but its too cliche.

Anyway, guess most people here understand your pain. Chill man.

[raoulvii]

Originally Posted by gl_bob

Internet OKTs and Geylang OKTs not much difference......

internet =
1. die die everyday must have customers.
2. if no customers = "ice cream day" must "liao-liu" still must pay for hotel money etc.
3. if girl at singapore 1 month never finish tag, also must "liao-liu"


u think those internet okt earn alot ah ?
they must pay cab fare to transport the girls from their own hotel to customer hotels.
for example. okt A sell girl A at $130 exclude room everything.
girl take $80. okt take $50.
cab fare = $20++
agent "water" money = $2 per session. means this $130 must give agent $8
hotel money = $70 for hotel 81 for overnight.
makan money = $10

u never realise why okt at geylang all so hard working. because everyone who walk pass is $$$

Not going to argue with you on this issue because because can see from your above stats, you simply don't know what is the difference. Anyway this thread is not focusing on geylang backlane OKTs

[dexblu]

In all businesses, there are always bound to be mistakes made as businesses are operated by human and as the saying goes “To err is human, to forgive is divine”. With this opening line in mind, I would like to let you, raoulvii, know that I appreciate the contents and context of your postings and hope that whatever unhappiness that caused and triggered your actions and reactions, be put to rest.

I have read through all your postings under your current nick and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out whom you are voicing your displeasure about. The date and time where you started this thread is also very close to another FR which you have filed and quoted part of this thread’s contents. My guess is that you had a most enjoyable session and hence, it fuelled your displeasure with your earlier week’s bonking sessions.

My mantra has always been and will always be…
“Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.”

Given the many choices of Service Providers in this great forum, I believe that besides pricing, service also plays an equal, if not, an even more important part in building a strong clientele!! So, if a particular service provider for whatever reasons does not meet your expectations, just move on to the next one.

My personal preference in selection of service providers are –
honesty, reliability and open to feedbacks (be it good or bad!!).

Granted that there are moments where I feel compelled to use different service providers for whatever reasons there may be… timing, great chicks, etc… but whatever choice that I make, whatever price that I pay, the single and utmost important factor is that the value must be there…

With that said, there are also times where I came across disappointing sessions but at most I only rant and rave to the particular service provider as the girls are also human and their service standard may not always be that consistent.

Your opinions and stand have been heard and I also gained some valuable insights from the responses garnered in your thread. Just relax and chill-out. From all your postings under your nick in the various threads, I gather that you are a well heeled and well traveled person… Don’t waste too much of your precious time on this matter. Cheers !!

[raoulvii]

Originally Posted by dexblu

In all businesses, there are always bound to be mistakes made as businesses are operated by human and as the saying goes “To err is human, to forgive is divine”. With this opening line in mind, I would like to let you, raoulvii, know that I appreciate the contents and context of your postings and hope that whatever unhappiness that caused and triggered your actions and reactions, be put to rest.

My personal preference in selection of service providers are –
honesty, reliability and open to feedbacks (be it good or bad!!).

Granted that there are moments where I feel compelled to use different service providers for whatever reasons there may be… timing, great chicks, etc… but whatever choice that I make, whatever price that I pay, the single and utmost important factor is that the value must be there…

In all businesses, there are bound to be mistakes. This I definitely agree. But we must not mix it up with a genuine mistake and the intent to deceit. This are two different things. As in this scenario we are talking about now. It is not a mistake but the intent to deceit.

Supposedly today you and me we know this errant OKT does this kind of stuff. You and me keep hush hush over it. To him, he will think since he can get away with it once, he will get away with it a few more times. He will think that with his so-called strong staunch supporters who at the back trying to zap me to negative to shut me off, spurs me even more to expose his errant ways.

If today you are wrong, admit it. But the way he put it when he PM me shows he is no least remorseful for what he did and still thinks he is right compared to others.

PM to me from this OKT
<<But the setup of my business is different from some others. I have full time worker to deliver food, toiletries, medicine, fetch and send the gals to wherever they need to go. Thats cost.............................................. ......
.................................................. .................................................. ...
Hope now you understands more, and do think about the risk factor. If I have a better choice, I'll not work vice.>>

He is not the only OKT who uses runners to do all these. He is not the only OKT who has costs.

<<Its up to the seller and the buyer. Willing buyer, buy. Not willing, go for the cheaper one. Still the same COKE. Bro, I sell them at higher price, cos I want to earn more, I agree. Some others willing to earn less for this job. I can't say anything. So if my product don't sell, I don't blame anyone. I blame myself for selling more expensive. Maybe I pay my runer to high pay, I stupid. Maybe I get PV at $160+, I stupid.>>
I don't think he is stupid. He is indeed very smart to be able to tell lies to the public and people buy his story.

All in, not one question the authenticity of what I revealed, because what I said here is the truth. The best part is that some here blast me for revealing the truth. They probably love to hear the sweet honeyed lies.

[Midnightiger]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

Already it is not a secret that you are thaivisitor. This info comes from the FLs that you promoted before and they are now back in Thailand. Not one but a couple of them who said this. I already said you are OKT or not, I don't care. This thread's major highlight is not talking on you. But if you persistently wants an answer, your turn will come when I finish this issue. How about that? You willing to wait or not? This thread is talking about paying premium to OKT. You have not done premium stuff yet, so you are not in the picture.

As for what I said is the truth or not, people around you knows best.

It doesn't matter who you wish to say I am before or after.

The simple point here is that there are only 2 Thai FLs that I have promoted here before which are Apple and her friend Ann, both back in Thailand. I have also assisted another Thai FL who was stranded by her OKT before.

Like I said, if you're so sure of yourself as "telling only truths here", you want to put your money where your mouth is?

[raoulvii]

Originally Posted by Midnightiger

It doesn't matter who you wish to say I am before or after.

The simple point here is that there are only 2 Thai FLs that I have promoted here before which are Apple and her friend Ann, both back in Thailand. I have also assisted another Thai FL who was stranded by her OKT before.

Like I said, if you're so sure of yourself as "telling only truths here", you want to put your money where your mouth is?

For nam, the story was you helped her because you already knew her in Hadyai. Nam wanted to go back Thailand after her bitter episode with her previous OKT. But you wanted her to stay on to earn more money.
Nothing wrong with your intentions if it was good-will. In actual fact, because midnighttiger then was a new nick and you wanted to build this nick up to be a credible cheongster. In other ways you help nam, you also want to help your ownself. nam also knew what kind of person you are, that is why when she left singapore, she don't even want to tell you till she left and checkout from the hotel. The other 2 FLs that you promoted though you may not be earning anything, you already build up a name for this nick. In other words you also get to have a basic database for you to gather all those numbers who cheong thai fls. When you use another nick to start doing FLs, your filtered numbers will be those that already cheong your previous girls that you help promote.

Sadly your OKT nick that you used to promote the FLs was only for a short while. You told your girls to go and buy their own food get their own toiletries, etc. Where got girls want to follow you? Did you use midnighttiger to write frs for this particular OKT, you know best.

I don't intend to state all these out till you keep telling me to put my money on where my mouth is. You can dispute all you can. Not only I confirm myself you are thaivisitor. There a few various sources from different parties who also said they knew who you are. My advice to you is next time if you want to use a new nick and don't want them to know your history, don't meet up with so many samsters. You want to have face, want to be proud of what you did, this is the price.

[Midnightiger]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

For nam, the story was you helped her because you already knew her in Hadyai. Nam wanted to go back Thailand after her bitter episode with her previous OKT. But you wanted her to stay on to earn more money.
Nothing wrong with your intentions if it was good-will. In actual fact, because midnighttiger then was a new nick and you wanted to build this nick up to be a credible cheongster. In other ways you help nam, you also want to help your ownself. nam also knew what kind of person you are, that is why when she left singapore, she don't even want to tell you till she left and checkout from the hotel.

Get your facts correct before you opened your mouth.

When Nam came, I was her first blood but her services was below par and that was what I wrote in my FR. This caused her appointments to be cancelled. I felt sorry for her and went to see her again to help her improved. A little business came back but she fell out with her OKT.

I wanted her to stay? You got to be kidding. After paying her OKT for her whatever bills, she was left without any or much money. I don't have to "boast" what I have done for her as I guess there's no point explaining as you seemed to be one of those guys who would "stick by what the FL says" after being with them. So quite pointless. But if you like to arrange a face to face together with Nam to find out the truth, do let me know.

The other 2 FLs that you promoted though you may not be earning anything, you already build up a name for this nick. In other words you also get to have a basic database for you to gather all those numbers who cheong thai fls. When you use another nick to start doing FLs, your filtered numbers will be those that already cheong your previous girls that you help promote.

Wrong again. I don't have to built up a name for midnightiger. In case you didn't realise, fellow bros know because they tried whoever I recommended and know I didn't bluff them or anything like that. Like I said, I recommend FLS whom I have tried.

By the way, bros call them directly and I don't keep track of which bros book the FLs I recommended.

Sadly your OKT nick that you used to promote the FLs was only for a short while. You told your girls to go and buy their own food get their own toiletries, etc. Where got girls want to follow you? Did you use midnighttiger to write frs for this particular OKT, you know best.

Why don't you state it out right here if you say that I was using an OKT nick? Put it out boldly out here. If I'm that OKT, I cut off my dick and mince it. We can verify it through various means. Surely you must have met these so-call FLs, so why not we meet with them and let them speak out?
And if it's verified that I'm not, would you dare do the same? Or just hide behind there and blabber out fabrications?

I don't intend to state all these out till you keep telling me to put my money on where my mouth is. You can dispute all you can. Not only I confirm myself you are thaivisitor. There a few various sources from different parties who also said they knew who you are. My advice to you is next time if you want to use a new nick and don't want them to know your history, don't meet up with so many samsters. You want to have face, want to be proud of what you did, this is the price.

I'm glad you state all these out because you only proved that you can't be taken seriously not because you're not a serious person, but your fact-findings skills or the lack of it, will only add to make your posts unbelievable.

My 2 cents worth.

[raoulvii]

Originally Posted by Midnightiger

Get your facts correct before you opened your mouth.

When Nam came, I was her first blood but her services was below par and that was what I wrote in my FR. This caused her appointments to be cancelled. I felt sorry for her and went to see her again to help her improved. A little business came back but she fell out with her OKT.

I wanted her to stay? You got to be kidding. After paying her OKT for her whatever bills, she was left without any or much money. I don't have to "boast" what I have done for her as I guess there's no point explaining as you seemed to be one of those guys who would "stick by what the FL says" after being with them. So quite pointless. But if you like to arrange a face to face together with Nam to find out the truth, do let me know.

You already knew Nam when both of you are in hadtyai. You want to tell us that you only tried her out when in SG? Do you want to tell us prior to her coming to SG, you didn't know her at all when she was in hadyai?

Yea, you did a lot for her. On the surface, your intentions were genuine. But you had an agenda. Your agenda was to build up this nick Midnighttiger to become someone trustworthy so that in future when you recommend FLs to samsters here, you get a cut.

Originally Posted by Midnightiger

Wrong again. I don't have to built up a name for midnightiger. In case you didn't realise, fellow bros know because they tried whoever I recommended and know I didn't bluff them or anything like that. Like I said, I recommend FLS whom I have tried.

I didn't said you were like this errant OKT who was lying. I only said you have a different agenda. As for this nick midnighttiger, you are and was building up this nick's reputation by recommending cheap FLs. Your agenda is different from those genuine cheongsters who really share FL contacts. Period.

Originally Posted by Midnightiger

Why don't you state it out right here if you say that I was using an OKT nick? Put it out boldly out here. If I'm that OKT, I cut off my dick and mince it.

You can start mincing your dick if you have one in the 1st place. Please for goodness sake, don't take the shine off that errant OKT I am talking about. You will get your chance with me in time to come, that's if you really want to talk.

[Midnightiger]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

You already knew Nam when both of you are in hadtyai. You want to tell us that you only tried her out when in SG? Do you want to tell us prior to her coming to SG, you didn't know her at all when she was in hadyai?

Yea, you did a lot for her. On the surface, your intentions were genuine. But you had an agenda. Your agenda was to build up this nick Midnighttiger to become someone trustworthy so that in future when you recommend FLs to samsters here, you get a cut.

I didn't said you were like this errant OKT who was lying. I only said you have a different agenda. As for this nick midnighttiger, you are and was building up this nick's reputation by recommending cheap FLs. Your agenda is different from those genuine cheongsters who really share FL contacts. Period.

You can start mincing your dick if you have one in the 1st place. Please for goodness sake, don't take the shine off that errant OKT I am talking about. You will get your chance with me in time to come, that's if you really want to talk.

Wow! Didn't knew that you were a pyschic and that you can see through everyone and know of any "agenda" and what will be done in the future! Really amazing!!!

Funny, your earlier posts claimed that I'm an OKT, had some FLs in SG under different OKT nickname, even saying I used this nick to write FRs, etc, etc & etc.

And now you're saying it's for the future, so you must be right because you are the know all.

And you agenda to "gain reputation" of being a noble samster here warning others with ... ahh.. forget it! As far as I'm concerned, you have no credibility here at all, coming out with fake information saying you have tried so many different FLs with so many diferent OKTs (yet OKTs didn't know you) and of course you will say you done all that with another nick, etc, etc & etc. Yah sure

[raoulvii]

There is this saying. A leopard will never change his spots.

This thread was blasting him on how he lie to customers and after a while, with his soon to be new arrivals, he is at it again. Telling lies.

elder sister, 24yo, 1.65m, 35C'24'35
younger sis, 23yo, 1.65m, 36C'24'35

Obviously he doesn't have a clue. Year 05/06 if I don't remember wrongly, I bonked these same girls under 2 different OKTs. The sisters already tell me they are in late 20s. Now at least in 30s. Both are definitely not same height and one is so much shorter than the other.

Last time I only bonked them at $110 or $120 at most. Now I have to pay $160??? Inflation so high up? I know some of you will say if find them expensive, don't bonk. It's not a matter of the money, it's the feeling of being treated as a sucker when last time only pay $120 or less via other operator and now same girls diff operator and we consumers have to start paying at least extra $40 more?

What a joke!!!!

[jabwemet]

i went to Lor XX the other day and had sex with a thai for $80.
She was very good.

very very good.

she even let me double cum. i paid her secretly $20 for that.
so thast $100.
to me that was Value.
last year i met this gal in a pub in australia.
i was celebrating a fren's bdae.
the drinks were paid for my fren.
i picked up the gal and she brought me to her house (she drove) and we had sex. She was very good.
Very very good.
I spent nothing that day and she even gave me $50 for cabfare and breakfast.(there was no ATM machine near her place)

that doesnt mean the Thai wasnt Value for $$$.
its just different.

nothing to do with the quarrel here but i just felt like typing something to make a change of scenery!

cheers!

[raoulvii]

Originally Posted by jabwemet

nothing to do with the quarrel here but i just felt like typing something to make a change of scenery!

cheers!

Thailand will always be Thailand. You will never get to see the great wall of china or the eiffel tower there. Anyway, indeed thanks for your effort in trying to change the scenery here but as you know too, its rather tough.

Anyway, i have to apologise for my mistake below, after a samster PM me regarding my mistake. He told me that last time the price was not $120. Instead it was $110 and at a point of time, the price was even going for $100.
Tarma then was $200 for 90mins of actions.
Now under that lying OKT, samsters have to pay $350 for 120mins of actions and the girls are not growing younger either.

Originally Posted by raoulvii

elder sister, 24yo, 1.65m, 35C'24'35
younger sis, 23yo, 1.65m, 36C'24'35

Obviously he doesn't have a clue. Year 05/06 if I don't remember wrongly, I bonked these same girls under 2 different OKTs. The sisters already tell me they are in late 20s. Now at least in 30s. Both are definitely not same height and one is so much shorter than the other.

Last time I only bonked them at $110 or $120 at most. Now I have to pay $160??? Inflation so high up? I know some of you will say if find them expensive, don't bonk. It's not a matter of the money, it's the feeling of being treated as a sucker when last time only pay $120 or less via other operator and now same girls diff operator and we consumers have to start paying at least extra $40 more?

$200 for 90mins = $2.22 per minute
$350 for 120mins = $3.88 per minute.

A starking 70% increase in pricing if go for tarma.

Don't flame me, I am just being honest. Next thread that I start will be one that actually weeds out heavily photoshopped studio pictures. So for samsters who wish to book the girls, should read that thread to see how different the pictures are when compared real life and photoshopped studio pictures.

[everywhere]

at first i thought the argument was because all of you are arguing about different things even though you think you're arguing the same thing. let me explain:

initially i thought raoul's argument was purely because he did not like being lied to, and according to him, OKTs charge premium is ok but lying to us (or him) is not okay. so as long as they tell the truth why there is a premium, it's ok.

people then retaliate saying they don't care, as long as they pay a sum of money and they get sex. black and white. nothing to argue. nothing wrong with that.

and then after reading more, i realized that maybe raoul's argument is an emotional one. he truly feels sorry for the girl, and the fact that the girls don't get more money even though we're forking out more is unforgivable. in this emotional context, i wholeheartedly agree. it's not fair to the girls, especially to some of the nice girls who deserve more.

but raoul, you must understand you're fighting for a lost cause. from my experience in arguments in other threads, alot of samsters are cold heartless guys who only patronise FLs for sex and nothing more. they intentionally put on a cold front in order not to get too involved with them, to them it's purely black and white sex and nothing else. they don't care about the technicalities, because they don't want to get emotionally attached to the girls and fall into KC trap.

your stand resonates with many of us i'm sure, but i'm sorry to tell you, most people will be too lazy to support you or up you. this is because most people will think it's pretty pointless.

OR

you could simply be just another customer who is indignant at having to pay so much for FLs. but just for the record: after doing the calculations, i hope you realise it's actually more expensive to fly to bangkok to look for agogo bargirls.

[reedsteel]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

$200 for 90mins = $2.22 per minute
$350 for 120mins = $3.88 per minute.

Bro , why make your life so difficult by breaking the spending so detail ? Bonking since my great great grandfather is not cheap activity , it is like taking drugs , grambling , drinking ,spend lots of money. If you go into these unhealthy hobbies, be prepare to sacrifice lots of money , not only 10 to 20 dollar. Just enjoy the process of bonking , dont think whether you will get lugi before the start of bonking.

[Sayangku]

Originally Posted by raoulvii

last time the price was not $120. Instead it was $110 and at a point of time, the price was even going for $100.
Tarma then was $200 for 90mins of actions.

Hi raoulvii, although we have some different opinions in shag_fest thread, i'm fully agree with what you've said here. I do expect prices will increase by years, but from $120 to 140, $130 to $160, from end of 06 till now (around 15 months), the 20%++ increase in such short term indeed hit many chiongster's pocket. Me myself will never pay more than $150 for a Thai (unless got special exception) now because of 2 simple reasons, 1 - stocks standard drop, 2 - Thai FLs getting more and more lazy, they take us (clients) for granted, i dun get good services like last year already.

This is the 1st time and the last time i will be complaining, seriously, no point arguing who earn more, who charge more, just do 1 simple thing, dun patronise lor, in the end, its the OKTs that will suffer if they charge too high and nobodies buying it.

so let it be bah, chill out